Anybody watching the K1200S?

[Oldroller]

What no air conditioned grips for us Florida riders? What were they thinking!
Lets see? I have $9,000 invested in my busa. That leaves me another $8k for mods. I bet I could have one hell of a bike for that kind of money.

[GMbusa]

I don't think we have to worry about seeing any lowered, stretched K1200s's cruising bike week.

[Red05]

I dont have any mirrors, lol

LOL. I think it was Cannonball Run in which the Italian driver gets in a Ferrari, tears the mirror off the windshield, and proclaims, "First rule in Italian driving, what's behind you doesn't matter"

[blackcurtains]

Nice bike but I don't believe for one second that it will run with a Busa in outright acceleration and top speed. The only thing "Busa Beater" about it is the comfort and how fast it will go back to the dealer for service. Don't believe me? Do you really think BMW have the fuel injection woes fully cured yet? Time and magazines will tell as well as the disgruntled new owners.

[Mr Brown]

I like the way it looks, the performance differences between this and a Busa are going to be jsut about Nil out in the real world

I gotta disagree. Approx. same hp, less tq, probably heavier and worst of all shaft drive. I'm fairly confident we'll spank them too.......

[GregGorman]

Are top speed and 1/4 mile times the only things a Hayabusa is good for?  If so, then the K12S is not better than a Hayabusa.  If you take into account handling, suspension, brakes, and real world amenities like ABS, Electronic Suspension Adjustment, etc... then the K12S will certainly come out on top.  I think you're all in for a big surprise when the magazines and people actually get a hold of this bike.

Greg Gorman
www.gormanonline.com

[TruWrecks]

Are top speed and 1/4 mile times the only things a Hayabusa is good for?  If so, then the K12S is not better than a Hayabusa.  If you take into account handling, suspension, brakes, and real world amenities like ABS, Electronic Suspension Adjustment, etc... then the K12S will certainly come out on top.  I think you're all in for a big surprise when the magazines and people actually get a hold of this bike.

Greg Gorman
www.gormanonline.com

Must be a BMW owner.

Did someone pick a scab open? This is a Hayabusa site. We discuss Hayabusa bikes and threats to the "Speed King".

If you haven't noticed, most of the people here focus on acceleration and speed, not the "5000mi. road trip" goodies that add more weight to an already heavy (by sport bike standards) motorcycle. The Busa can and will hang in the corners with the K12S. A good rider on a litre bike can beat them both in the corners!

The K12S may have it's place on the road, but it's not on this board!

Please go troll somewhere else.

[Red05]

The Busa can and will hang in the corners with the K12S.

My thoughts exactly. My '05 has already shown it's Topgun undertail to a lot of the local squids in the twisties

. I'm sure the Beemer is a great bike but the the Busa is surprisingly agile.

[diesel]

On the Discovery program (listing the Busa as #1) this guy explained that a few years back everyone was in a race to make a 200mph bike. When Suzuki came out with the Busa in '99, they won the "speedwars" and everyone decided to restrict their bikes to 186. This gave the Busa the title "worlds fastest bike". Hence while SIX YEARS later some of the liter bikes are catching up, and every new bike coming out is the new "Busa beater" , the Hayabusa hasn't changed a thing because they closed the book on this #### a long time ago. Is the 06, 07,08 model going to be 1400 or 1500cc's....no. It's done. The 1300 already proved the point and they already hold back a lot if IT's power. That's why the bike is the benchmark by which all these other bikes are compared to.

[GregGorman]

No, I'm not a BMW owner. I'm an ex FZ-1 owner and soon to be owner of an '03 GSX-R750.

I've ridden the K12S around Nurburgring and I know how good that bike is. I was just wondering what the owners of the competition thought about it from the press so far. Now I know.

The K1200S just isn't competition for the Hayabusa in top speed so it's dismissed. And when the road turns, it's all about the rider anyway.

Cheers!

Greg Gorman
www.gormanonline.com

[Aughtsix]

Are top speed and 1/4 mile times the only things a Hayabusa is good for?  If so, then the K12S is not better than a Hayabusa.  If you take into account handling, suspension, brakes, and real world amenities like ABS, Electronic Suspension Adjustment, etc... then the K12S will certainly come out on top.  I think you're all in for a big surprise when the magazines and people actually get a hold of this bike.

Greg Gorman
www.gormanonline.com

Well Greg, welcome aboard, though you'll find that voicing an opinion contrary to the majority will earn you the 'troll' label; most often when a point you've tabled can't be effectively countered...

For what it's worth I agree with you completely. The suspension on the K1200S will offer quite an advantage as soon as the road becomes twisty - the old-tech, conventional suspension of the Busa, which isn't very good from the start, will appear even worse in comparison, and the Beemer will disappear into the distance.

And then there's resale...

Steve

[Aughtsix]

The Busa can and will hang in the corners with the K12S.

Wake up scooter, you're late for school...

Steve

[TruWrecks]

The Busa can and will hang in the corners with the K12S.

Wake up scooter, you're late for school...

Steve

Ah, your right!  The Busa will actually out corner the K12s.  The longer wheel base will hurt a bit in the twisties! But I guess we'll have to wait and see. Time, and miles, will tell the real story.

Steve, Do you want your lunch money back?

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[bigjohn141]

and real world amenities like ABS, Electronic Suspension Adjustment, etc... then the K12S will certainly come out on top.

ABS? Well I guess you won't be seeing anyone doing a stoppie on that.

Electronic Suspension Adjustment? Do you remember what happened with Honda's electronic steering dampner? What all of this amounts to is, you pay way to much for a bike that you can't work on youself. The only thing the K12s will come out on top of is the list of overpriced, overengineered, and overrated bikes.



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[rubbersidedown]

need these questions answered...

If shaft drive is so gr8,why is it not in use on the track?
cause it just doesn't work.

All them technical goodies, will they stand up to the test down the road...way way down the road, like a Goldwing.
Nope. Not even close.

In the real world...you'll need special tools to fix 'em , you cant even use a normal swingarm stand, the parts are outragelessly priced,just like the bikes,break downs on the road can cause grief, how many BMW Motorcycle dealerships did you drive by today?

There is however 1 GREAT BIG GIANT bonus...when buying from a BMW dealer.

Every dealership includes the LARGE jar of Vasoline with each sale.

[rubbersidedown]

Vaseline + BMW =

[Aughtsix]

Steve, Do you want your lunch money back?  

Naw, you can keep it...

It was a fair trade for your bike...

[Aughtsix]

need these questions answered...

 If shaft drive is so gr8,why is it not in use on the track?
 

Oh, it is, but frictional losses exceed that of a chain and it's more difficult and expensive to alter ratios.  Is this supposed to be a drawback to a road bike??

 All them technical goodies, will they stand up to the test down the road...way way down the road, like a Goldwing.
   Nope. Not even close.[/QUOTE]

What 'technical goodies' on the new K1200S have such astronomical failure rates?

 In the real world...you'll need special tools to fix 'em , you cant even use a normal swingarm stand, the parts are outragelessly priced,just like the bikes...[/QUOTE]

a)  Yes, BMWs require special tools.  Bummer eh...  
b)  What constitutes a 'normal' swingarm stand?  There will be a swingarm stand for the K12S shortly, if not already, which will be 'normal' for it.
c)  Yes, BMW parts are generally more expensive.  Bummer eh...
d)  Retrofit the exotic and upscale parts found on the K12S onto a Busa and see how much you spend...

 ...break downs on the road can cause grief...[/QUOTE]

This transcends brands.  Irrespective the brand, on-road failures cause grief.  Luckily for the Beemer owner, he has great coverage...

 ...how many BMW Motorcycle dealerships did you drive by today?[/QUOTE]

Two.

 There is however 1 GREAT BIG GIANT bonus...when buying from a BMW dealer.

Every dealership includes the LARGE jar of Vasoline with each sale. [/QUOTE]

But typically BMW owners aren't into sheep so these get handed down to hardley riders.

Steve

[ALLshow.NOgo]

I am not too crazy for BMW's bikes at all. All I know is that if I ever get a wrong look from someone on that clown of a bike, I will smoke their ass that quick, leaving them WISHING they bought the big dog from the start...



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[rubbersidedown]

need these questions answered...

 If shaft drive is so gr8,why is it not in use on the track?
 

Oh, it is, but frictional losses exceed that of a chain and it's more difficult and expensive to alter ratios.  Is this supposed to be a drawback to a road bike??

 All them technical goodies, will they stand up to the test down the road...way way down the road, like a Goldwing.
   Nope. Not even close.

What 'technical goodies' on the new K1200S have such astronomical failure rates?

 In the real world...you'll need special tools to fix 'em , you cant even use a normal swingarm stand, the parts are outragelessly priced,just like the bikes...[/QUOTE]

a)  Yes, BMWs require special tools.  Bummer eh...  
b)  What constitutes a 'normal' swingarm stand?  There will be a swingarm stand for the K12S shortly, if not already, which will be 'normal' for it.
c)  Yes, BMW parts are generally more expensive.  Bummer eh...
d)  Retrofit the exotic and upscale parts found on the K12S onto a Busa and see how much you spend...

 ...break downs on the road can cause grief...[/QUOTE]

This transcends brands.  Irrespective the brand, on-road failures cause grief.  Luckily for the Beemer owner, he has great coverage...

 ...how many BMW Motorcycle dealerships did you drive by today?[/QUOTE]

Two.

 There is however 1 GREAT BIG GIANT bonus...when buying from a BMW dealer.

Every dealership includes the LARGE jar of Vasoline with each sale. [/QUOTE]

But typically BMW owners aren't into sheep so these get handed down to hardley riders.

Steve[/QUOTE]
thanks.... you are yer own worst enemy.