It's official, America is too PC

[Blanca BusaLess]

Well the don't tase me guy did disrupt things .
This we are talking about is what 5-6 kids out of what 1500 plus and they were sitting outside and had not caused any disturbance other than it rubbed Mr Rodriguez wrong .

I go a few posts back and ask again .
If his name had been Johnson or Smith do you think he would has acted same.
I think he let his race overcome common sense on this and I am gonna keep sending emails to him and his district reps as well as county school board and whoever else I can light a fuse under .

This guy was probably looking at them from afar just sitting there and it lit his fuse .
The nerve of those kids to do this is what he was thinking .

[warp10]

Why are we celebrating Cinco de Mayo in this country anywhy? I don't remember celebrating any Canadian holidays. Mexico does not celebrate this, why are we?
the article said they were at a brunch table when approached by VP.

From article:

Galli says he and his friends were sitting at a table during brunch break when the vice principal asked two of the boys to remove American flag bandannas that they wearing on their heads and for the others to turn their American flag T-shirts inside out. When they refused, the boys were ordered to go to the principal's office.

"They said we could wear it on any other day," Daniel Galli said, "but today is sensitive to Mexican-Americans because it's supposed to be their holiday so we were not allowed to wear it today."

The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.

"They said if we tried to go back to class with our shirts not taken off, they said it was defiance and we would get suspended," Dominic Maciel, Galli's friend, said.

The boys really had no choice, and went home to avoid suspension. They say they're angry they were not allowed to express their American pride. Their parents are just as upset, calling what happened to their children, "total nonsense."

"I think it's absolutely ridiculous," Julie Fagerstrom, Maciel's mom, said. "All they were doing was displaying their patriotic nature. They're expressing their individuality."

But to many Mexican-American students at Live Oak, this was a big deal. They say they were offended by the five boys and others for wearing American colors on a Mexican holiday.

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

[afterhours]

what does cutting and pating the article do to further the discussion....?

Now, do i thing that the VP was P/O over these kids personally....i don't know. however he did not say anything to the kids to make it sound as if he was. in the interview the boy clearly state that the VP told him he had no problem with the flag shirts and such on any other day, just not today (Cinco de Mayo).....if this was his personal agenda, then yes he should be fired and used as an example to keep politics out of school. I have not seen that yet, maybe as more comes out it will be more clear of his intentions.

Why do we even celebrate Cinco de Mayo? to put it simply, because Americans are greedy. This is not a Mexican holiday, its the anniversary of a a small military victory in 1862. That was actually more a case of incompetance by French commanders than military tactics of the Mexican army...

Cinco de Mayo is an American holiday, invented to sell more beer and alchohol.

[Busa1166]

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Nicholas Boden
Is this the principals address ??? I am not much for letters of complaint to schools politicians I never feel like they get anywhere.. Apology ??? the damage is already done If I find his address I believe I can make him understand (electronically) how disappointed some people are that the teachers are clueless not only about the holiday about what it is to live in America. I wasn't born here an neither were my parents we adapted to an adopted the way of life. We felt blessed an privileged to be here, despite everything wrong here still do. To many things are right here, an bad as it is here still worse some where else

You are in America should be able to wear the flag any day anytime anywhere as long as the school doesn't have a dress code or uniform policy.

[Vonderbach]

It should be noted, however unpopular, that children do not enjoy the same Constitutional freedoms in school as do legal adults, known as in loco parentis. Essentially the school becomes the legal guardian of the child during the school day. With that said, while the principal has every right to curb any potential violence, it should have been nothing more than a brief meeting with the students to make certain that their display of the flag was the full extent of their protest. If these shirt were acceptable every other day of the year, then the 5th of May should prove to be no exception.

[Blanca BusaLess]

242 Via Linda Vis
Redondo Beach, CA 90277
(310) 375-3804


Nicholas Boden
Is this the principals address ??? I am not much for letters of complaint to schools politicians I never feel like they get anywhere.. Apology ??? the damage is already done If I find his address I believe I can make him understand (electronically) how disappointed some people are that the teachers are clueless not only about the holiday about what it is to live in America. I wasn't born here an neither were my parents we adapted to an adopted the way of life. We felt blessed an privileged to be here, despite everything wrong here still do. To many things are right here, an bad as it is here still worse some where else

You are in America should be able to wear the flag any day anytime anywhere as long as the school doesn't have a dress code or uniform policy.

Website with email links for all staff
Live Oak High School - Morgan Hill, CA - Home




Heres the school info.

Address you have may be his home addy ?

[Blanca BusaLess]

The school Logo and Mascot is so fitting aint it !

[Justyntym]

Well...a couple things...

Soldiers, Citizens, and Patriots have fought and died...fought and DIED for the
right to fly the flag. If flying the flag or wearing a shirt will cause a fight...
BRING IT ON....I'm not taking it off.

Point 2...is just that...that on my home country soil, displaying my flag...
WILL CAUSE A FIGHT, shows you just how goofed up this country is and why
we NEED TO THROW THEM OUT ON THEIR (the illegals) and if the
legals have a problem with that...they can go too.

This situation on all fronts is deplorable and would not have happened 5/10/20+ years
ago. This is major major :bs:

[cbat2210]

I have read all of the posts here, and it seems the theory is to come down on the illegals. What about American citizens, that were born in the U.S., but are from mexican decent? Like my wife, my daughter and my son? They are proud to be Americans, and love this Country, but does becoming an American citizen or being born in America mean abandoning your heritage, and where you come from? I know if we look back, 99% of us came across one pond or another. I also understand the freedom of speech, and the sacrifices that have been made to protect that. I am one of those doing the protecting. But let's say, the boys were allowed to wear the shirts, and then a fight did break out, and someone got stabbed( and not just because the stigma is mexicans are always carrying). Would the community be outraged because the school did not do enough to prevent it? Everyone wants protection, but yet nobody wants to give a little to get that. Protect us from the scary hijackers, but no you don't need to see me behind that x-ray machine, and when the plane does get taken over, then I will just sue you, because you did not do enough to keep me safe? So what do we do?

[Speed King]

un-real

[Blanca BusaLess]

cbat2210 Nobody says you have to forsake your heritage .
Only saying once here you need to put no other country or flag before the American one .
We are a melting pot and that's what makes us so diverse and great .
It's just when they want to come here and not learn any of our customs or traditons while trying to promote their own when folks get upset.
More and more people come here and don't learn English , don't learn the Natl anthem, Dont study American history , don't truly become proud to be Americans for any other reason other than the benefits. This is now epidemic if you ask me.
My mother inlaw being Cuban just went thru her citizenship .
Of the forty or so folks in the room I would say less than ten spoke English or knew why they were waving the flag to the song 'Proud to be an American'
Sad when they do what is needed just to get the title but don't continue to assimilate into our culture.
Yrs ago you had to learn English in order to become a citizen because it was only language the test was given in . Now it's given in over thirty languages.
I don't think that's right .
There is no other country on Earth folks want to be a citizen more so than America , none.
It should not be handed out so lightly .
It should be the hardest thing to accomplish in your life because the benefit is better than any other.

[Vega]

This was obviously a trap. The kids knew that it would cause a stir, yet I don't think they could have imagined it getting this much attention...

The Vice Principal fell for the bait and made a mistake. I'm sure he was just trying to prevent a conflict and didn't mean to offend anyone. Do I think he should have send the kids home or told them to remove their flags, no, of course not. But again, I think it was a trap that was meant to backfire on him.

The only thing is, I don't see what point the kids were trying to make other than to upset people and create a stir. They knew what they were doing...

We have freedom of speech in America and it's important to understand that we should use it properly and try to be respectful to our fellow Americans rather than exploiting that right.

I'm all for showing patriotism and love for our country, but I don't think anyone should hide behind our flag.

Can't we all just get along?

[busagirl4444]

So I thought that I lived in the United States Of America and umm I'm for everyone but now this has just gone to far. Why do I have to press one for english, why can't I wear my flag as a shirt, why can't I display my pride in my country no matter where I am. Are these people out of their minds. Seriously what the freak rock did they crawl from under. Seriously they need to go back under it cause they have seriously lost their mind. OOOOOO and another thing during February when it is black history month you certainly don't see these issues. You don't see us women getting all upidy up during our women's history month. Are you kidding me. Get your head out of your ass and figure out what soil you are standing on.

[skydivr]

Put yourself in the VP's shoes...he saw a potentionally incendiary situation...and left with two choices...

1. Do nothing...maybe fight or worse and kid gets killed or hurt...he gets sued by parents for doing nothing to stop/prevent it.

2. He does what he thinks is the right thing, and, while potentially saving the students lives who were obviously stirring up trouble, still gets sued or in trouble...

lose/lose...the VP chose to prevent potential trouble. Kids live. While I don't like it, if I were in his shoes I'd probably do same thing whether I supported them privately or not.

I'm proud to be an American, and I'd respectfully (yes, there is a RIGHT way and a WRONG way) wear the American flag on my clothes, but I probably wouldn't do it in the middle of the barrio on Cinco de Mayo....

Yet, I also expect those new Americans to remember what country they have now pledged allegiance to. Those legally arrived Mexican Americans have every right to wear the Mexican flag on a Mexican holiday, but I also expect them to respectfully wear the American flag on the 4th of July....

[afterhours]

oh my god....the "why do i have to press #1 for english response...again"

the reason you have to press #1 is:

1. companies have the right to try and make money off people speaking other languages.
2. this is america, there is no National Language.....


if you would kike to make english the National Language, write your Congressman....

people have fought and died for this country and to protect our rights...who is protecting the rights of those that wanted to peacefully celebrate Cinco de Mayo.

aren't we all citizens?

if you want to talk about illegals...fine, but this is not about illegals. this is about mexican citizens, that have a right to celebrate thier mexican heritage...

just a few weeks ago you were talking about how wrong it was for those "christians" to protest at funerals of soldiers....even though they were within thier rights to do so.

it was wrong.....this is the same. even though the kids had the right to wear thier flag gear, they do not have a right to disrupt a peaceful event.


keep your hatred of illegals out, these kids are citizens....

[VaBusa]

I wasn't going down the path of politics or the subject of illegals when I posted this topic, so I'm not even addressing those items.

I was simply floored that because it's the 5th of May, here in the U.S. students were actually SENT HOME for this, for wearing a shirt with the Flag on it. I'm sorry, but IF those wearing the shirts did so to incite violence, SHAME ON THEM, and IF those that would find that offensive would even dare create an issue over it IS STUPID. If ANY American citizen is offended by a t-shirt with our Flag on it ON ANY DAY OF THE YEAR, THAT is more of an issue than anything else...

I certainly don't think anyone should shun their roots or their culture, but I do think it's asking way too much for everyone else to be expected to embrace every special day for everyone else in the world. Doesn't anyone realize that this is such a dangerous path to walk down? What happens when Wiccans demand their day and everything you do offends them, or hey, why not embrace those that still follow and worship what Hitler was trying to accomplish? Look how much uproar we hear around Christmas for watering down such a holy and Christian holiday by taking Christmas out of it to be PC?! We can't walk this path and expect it to be fair for all, ever.

In America, we are supposed to be able to live our lives and live out our dreams, not harm others, but never in a million years did the founding fathers think "that also means everyone else better agree with you". It's all so convoluted now. This has nothing to do with race, or culture, or illegals...it's all about tolerance. But tolerance here isn't that WE ALL are supposed to embrace what Joe Blow likes, it's that Joe Blow gets to do his thing, we do ours, we all learn to respect one another for who we are. It's Cinco De Mayo, big deal...you can opt to enjoy the day for what we *think* it is, wearing an American Flag body suit for all I care. I should never be offended by the next guy's rights as an American.

IMHO, there should never be a reason to NOT fly or wear or be proud of the American flag as an American, period.

[afterhours]

I wasn't going down the path of politics or the subject of illegals when I posted this topic, so I'm not even addressing those items.

I was simply floored that because it's the 5th of May, here in the U.S. students were actually SENT HOME for this, for wearing a shirt with the Flag on it. I'm sorry, but IF those wearing the shirts did so to incite violence, SHAME ON THEM, and IF those that would find that offensive would even dare create an issue over it IS STUPID. If ANY American citizen is offended by a t-shirt with our Flag on it ON ANY DAY OF THE YEAR, THAT is more of an issue than anything else...

I certainly don't think anyone should shun their roots or their culture, but I do think it's asking way too much for everyone else to be expected to embrace every special day for everyone else in the world. Doesn't anyone realize that this is such a dangerous path to walk down? What happens when Wiccans demand their day and everything you do offends them, or hey, why not embrace those that still follow and worship what Hitler was trying to accomplish? Look how much uproar we hear around Christmas for watering down such a holy and Christian holiday by taking Christmas out of it to be PC?! We can't walk this path and expect it to be fair for all, ever.

In America, we are supposed to be able to live our lives and live out our dreams, not harm others, but never in a million years did the founding fathers think "that also means everyone else better agree with you". It's all so convoluted now. This has nothing to do with race, or culture, or illegals...it's all about tolerance. But tolerance here isn't that WE ALL are supposed to embrace what Joe Blow likes, it's that Joe Blow gets to do his thing, we do ours, we all learn to respect one another for who we are. It's Cinco De Mayo, big deal...you can opt to enjoy the day for what we *think* it is, wearing an American Flag body suit for all I care. I should never be offended by the next guy's rights as an American.

IMHO, there should never be a reason to NOT fly or wear or be proud of the American flag as an American, period.

so your saying......those boys should have let them have thier celebration, and not try to ruin it.....yes i agree.

[VaBusa]

so your saying......those boys should have let them have thier celebration, and not try to ruin it.....yes i agree.

Absolutely, but I'm not putting this blame on those 5 kids alone. It's a pathetic world when here in our own country we're being told we can't wear the American Flag on a t-shirt. Those that find that offensive on Cinco De Mayo or any other day, as American citizens themselves, have bigger issues than the 5 that did this.

[Vega]

I should never be offended by the next guy's rights as an American.


IMHO, there should never be a reason to NOT fly or wear or be proud of the American flag as an American, period.

Those were American Students celebrating Cinco de Mayo, as is their right to do so as well. I'm sure they also also celebrate 4th of July.

It's one thing to be proud of the American flag, and it's a completely different thing to hide behind it and only wear it with malicious intent.

I'm sure those kids don't wear their American flags everyday. It wasn't about being proud to be American, they were trying to cause a fight. Where's the common sense?

Let's respect other nationalities festivities... We're a land of immigrants and therefore we have a lot of different holidays, let's try to respect each others rights as Americans to celebrate our holidays.

[VaBusa]

Those were American Students celebrating Cinco de Mayo, as is their right to do so as well. I'm sure they also also celebrate 4th of July.

It's one thing to be proud of the American flag, and it's a completely different thing to hide behind it and only wear it with malicious intent.

I'm sure those kids don't wear their American flags everyday. It wasn't about being proud to be American, they were trying to cause a fight. Where's the common sense?

Let's respect other nationalities festivities... We're a land of immigrants and therefore we have a lot of different holidays, let's try to respect each others rights as Americans to celebrate our holidays.

OK, this particular case aside 1) because I wasn't there and 2) I have no idea what their intentions were, IF I were to walk the streets of any major city on Cinco De Mayo, wearing that t-shirt, should I be shunned, shot? Treated any differently than any other day?

I can surely respect the day and that others want to celebrate it, but by the same token, they should be able to respect that I opt to wear an American flag on my t-shirt. I'm not telling them they can't celebrate and they shouldn't be able to tell me to be "less-American" on that day. Sorry guys, I'm not budging my opinion on this. Being PC nowadays is expecting everyone around you to bend to YOUR beliefs. PC to me is to allow others to do what they will and for them to allow me the same in kind.