Lets watch the backlash begin tonight.

So because I make xxx and a family of 3 then next family of 3 makes xx I should have to pay more because I have a higher paying job.

That's not right.
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Do you not think you should pay more in taxes if you make more like we do today?
 
Do you not think you should pay more in taxes if you make more like we do today?

No. I don't agree with the abortion of an income tax system we have either. I paid 22k in fed income tax last year. That's ridiculous. Were all paying our fare share? No way. You have the people that get took and have to pay and those that take and will never pay.
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Looks like Brown won, but in usual shady fashion they are already trying to figure out a way to still shove it down our throats! Unbelievable!
 
explain the 90% to the middle man... Tell me what happens to a $100 fee billed to insurance...

let me help you... I have no idea were you get your "facts and figures' but they are no where near reality..

$100 fee.. (office visit for instance)
50% is charged off immediately... (Dr's office just writes it off) well there went half that money already.. the middle man is rolling in the dough now..
we now must pay the girl that took the appointment and took your insurance information and spent 10 minutes verifying that you even have insurance, and then she must do the follow up with chasing your charting, faxing documents and making follow up phone calls..in all? 30-40 minutes total ($13 gone)

We are now down to $37

You see the Dr for your 10 or 15 minutes.. (ignore the 12+ years at $50+G for each to do the job)
Room needs cleaned after you are out.. 5 minutes, new paper, sterilizer etc figure $5

$32 remaining..

Rent on building with say 5 exam rooms and insurable as a medical office.. $10G month and $1500M for insurance/$1000 in utilities or roughly $40 an hour per room.. you just burned another $12...

$20 remaining.. that pays the Dr, the billing staff, and on top of that, we gotta carry the credit for a month waiting to get paid... (provided everyone did their job right, otherwise it could take another hour of work and another 30 days of waiting)

How many Dr's do you think are entering the market right now?

We have patients we see now that cost us $$... The Dr does it anyway... why? they really do like to help people..

We have to do special studies and a lot of extra goodies to make a buck... really spend a week in an office and see what goes on...

You blow my mind with these facts. 50% write off? I wish. If a bill is $100 and I pay for $65 right off that bat it doesn't seem like a 50% write off does it? While i do agree with you about how you spent that $100, what are we going to do about the other $1000 i've already payed? Its a proven fact that the casino's give out better odds then the health insurnce does. Casino's have to pay out 20% of what it takes in where health insurance right now is only 10%.

You dont think the "middle man" makes money? Do you not read about the billions of dollars in profit the health insurance makes on us? Did you not hear on the news a few years back about the doctor who recieved a raise for denying care to people?
 
You blow my mind with these facts. 50% write off? I wish. If a bill is $100 and I pay for $65 right off that bat it doesn't seem like a 50% write off does it? While i do agree with you about how you spent that $100, what are we going to do about the other $1000 i've already payed? Its a proven fact that the casino's give out better odds then the health insurnce does. Casino's have to pay out 20% of what it takes in where health insurance right now is only 10%.

You dont think the "middle man" makes money? Do you not read about the billions of dollars in profit the health insurance makes on us? Did you not hear on the news a few years back about the doctor who recieved a raise for denying care to people?
The "insurance" company does make money.. that is NOT the health industry.. and there lies the problem... it is the insurance industry (already controlled by the govt) that is the problem.. They collect on both sides.. the Dr pays, you pay, they laugh....

I will pull a couple of the EOB's I get over the next few days when I get a chance, make them "HIPPA" compliant and show you what they do to us... it is a joke...
 
No. I don't agree with the abortion of an income tax system we have either. I paid 22k in fed income tax last year. That's ridiculous. Were all paying our fare share? No way. You have the people that get took and have to pay and those that take and will never pay.
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you paid 22k in fed taxes? Must be nice to make your kind of cash. I've love to pay that along with getting your pay.
Who are the people that take and never pay?
 
The "insurance" company does make money.. that is NOT the health industry.. and there lies the problem... it is the insurance industry (already controlled by the govt) that is the problem.. They collect on both sides.. the Dr pays, you pay, they laugh....

I will pull a couple of the EOB's I get over the next few days when I get a chance, make them "HIPPA" compliant and show you what they do to us... it is a joke...

Yes, I was talking about the insurance company. Sorry we had that mix up. I believe the health industry is great in this country and they do some of the greatest work in the world.
 
If I keep this posting up trying to answer questions i'll have as many posts as you Mr Bogus. :rofl:

Trying to look up info about who actually runs the insurance industry.
 
you paid 22k in fed taxes? Must be nice to make your kind of cash. I've love to pay that along with getting your pay.
Who are the people that take and never pay?

Welfare scam artists. People that don't care to move up and are happy to live at 15k a year and expect to not pay for anything. The gov will help them out but not me. I put my wife through school and received zero gov aid. Lol. I help pay for it but can't benefit? Not that I need or want it just the irony of me not being able to use a system I fund because I fund it well.
Gladly pay 20 percent of your moeny to fed? Everyone should have to pay it then. Make 15k sorry. Give me 3k. Doesn't seem so fare then does it.
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You guys have GOT to tune into MSNBC to watch the hilarity ensue! :rofl: They are MISERABLE tonight!

I believe they seen this coming a while ago. They were actually talking earlier in the week about how the women (dont remember her name) ran a horrible campain.
 
Welfare scam artists. People that don't care to move up and are happy to live at 15k a year and expect to not pay for anything. The gov will help them out but not me. I put my wife through school and received zero gov aid. Lol. I help pay for it but can't benefit? Not that I need or want it just the irony of me not being able to use a system I fund because I fund it well.
Gladly pay 20 percent of your moeny to fed? Everyone should have to pay it then. Make 15k sorry. Give me 3k. Doesn't seem so fare then does it.
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I have one simple question for you. Why is it that when answering this question all you could think about was the poor people. Its funny how large corporations have you guys working for them and you dont realize it. Sure Enron wasn't bad, or the billions of dollars thats stored in swiss bank accounts are ok to right? It just amazes me how people can get bent out of shape about someone who only makes 15k a year, maybe scamming another 2-5k a year if possible while living is crap, where some billionair is making of with billions and you dont really mention it.

I dont think you realize, but if someone made 20k a year and you wanted 20% of that they wouldn't be able to servive. Where if I made 100k a year and you wanted 20% i'd still have 80k to spend. It only makes sence to have lower taxes for lower income families. Are people really that stingy in america where they dont want to help others out even when they can afford to?
 
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Its not relevant. I don't think any ceo worries about healthcare. And it won't be them I'm paying for. Misdirection is a wonderful thing. They make you hate the people that are irrelvant to gloss over the ones that are.
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If your such a humanitarian and we should help all we can shouldn't we all sell our busas and give the proceeds to the homeless?

Guess I'm stingy to think the money I make should be mine. Sorry.
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Its not relevant. I don't think any ceo worries about healthcare. And it won't be them I'm paying for. Misdirection is a wonderful thing. They make you hate the people that are irrelvant to gloss over the ones that are.
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They are irrelevant? You worry about poor people scamming the system, but not the rich. Hmm, I guess im missing something. You dont think you'll be paying for the CEO who doesn't pay his share of what he should be paying into health insurance? Well, if the health insurance isn't reciving the amount they are suppose to get because this rich CEO is scamming the system. Who do you think will make up for it? Thats right, me and you.
 
They are irrelevant? You worry about poor people scamming the system, but not the rich. Hmm, I guess im missing something. You dont think you'll be paying for the CEO who doesn't pay his share of what he should be paying into health insurance? Well, if the health insurance isn't reciving the amount they are suppose to get because this rich CEO is scamming the system. Who do you think will make up for it? Thats right, me and you.

Your missing what I'm saying. They're not the ones asking for handouts. They pay more than I do and I don't think that's right either. You seem to be a lil greedy here. Everyone that has more than you should have to pay more. Why?

Its all irrelevant. The system will never support itself and well all be floating the costs anyway. Ill have to bear ir just like I do now. They will get more for free. They'll be happy. Maybe they can stop counting my money for me then.
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where did they cut taxes? i see where they sent billions of $$ tax money to people that never put in... that is not cutting taxes, that is "redistribution" Taxes have in fact gone up.. (they did for me)

Actually as of Dec 31st 2010(i believe that was the date)... the Bush era tax cuts all ran out... the tax break for the top tier of income goes from 35% to 40%..

capital gains will likely go from 15 to 20%

estate tax was also in the mix of all of this, but i didnt catch what they did with the estate tax....


..... the estimated cost of these bush era tax breaks for the ultra wealthy...

about $2.34 trillion dollars... a small portion of the $11.3 trillion bush alone is responsbile for...

i believe the bush cuts kicked in just above 200k a year... for reference as well...


Also, rev, while the republicans won the two Governors elections, and now it looks like kennedys seat.... the Dems have actually won every other special election since obama was voted into office...

Also, most likely, when the election rolls around, Brown will likely lose the seat in the actual election... Hes very likely temporary at best...
 
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Your missing what I'm saying. They're not the ones asking for handouts. They pay more than I do and I don't think that's right either. You seem to be a lil greedy here. Everyone that has more than you should have to pay more. Why?
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I think you have it a bit backwards. Im not greedy at all. Im more then willing to pay my share of taxes. If I made more i'd pay more. I dont think your understanding that if your scamming the system and your rich, your just as guilty as the person scamming the system as poor. What makes you think those billions of dollars he/she is hiding from taxes couldn't pay for higher wages which in return would allow those darn poor scammers to pay into the system?

The reason I believe people who make more should pay more is because they can afford it. Say you made $100, and I only made $10. If I went to the store to buy bread and milk, i'd have about $5 left. If you did the same you'd have $95. Now, If I we both got taxed $5 who would it affect more? It would affect me more because that $5 is actually worth more to me, then to you. So instead of me paying that $5 and not having anything left, you'd pay $10 and still have $85 and still live more comfortable then me doing so.
 
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