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Well, this winter is great for snow mobiles...

I saw a neighbor go by on his fully restored '72 Ski Doo Elan......just like the one I had as a kid.......boy is that thing ever tiny........it looked big when I had one....

Many of my neighbors have snowmobiles.....one of their wives rode a 4 hr round trip ride with her father...it was the first such ride she dd this season and was surprised at how hard on fuel her 600 Ski Doo Grand Touring was compared to his 900....I explained to her that they are basically the same machine only her 600 is working a lot harder than his 900......they are both 4 strokes.

All these snowmobiles around here make me miss having one but I know as surely as God made little green apples, we won't get any decent snow next year......and snowmobiles will sit like they did last year.
That's what happened to me. I bought a new sled in 2016 and it never snowed that year. Living in southern Maine at the time I parked it with .1 mile on it that year. I finally sold it and just used my club's sleds to groom the trails. Now that I live in TX they are finally getting some good snow again.

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I try and stay away from anyplace cold enough for them. But for a time I was exposed to them when I lived up north. In fact the story I shared about a rental car that froze up, they came out on a snow mobile to assist.

Other than that, my house which was in Maine was on a private road. Which means we had to plow it ourselves. My neighbor's had snowmobiles. Man they would haul butt. Like 70 mph haul butt. And they would go faster. Just not with me on them. It's cold enough NOT in them. It's ridiculously cold on one. I never got a big desire to get into them. I volunteered to plow the road out to the main road. That suited my neighbors.

New Englanders are sort of hard to crack from a friendly perspective. They don't care for outsiders. Particularly ones that arrive from California with 2 sports cars. But once you crack them, they are some the best neighbors and friends to have. But I still didn't want to hang out on snowmobiles.

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I try and stay away from anyplace cold enough for them. But for a time I was exposed to them when I lived up north. In fact the story I shared about a rental car that froze up, they came out on a snow mobile to assist.

Other than that, my house which was in Maine was on a private road. Which means we had to plow it ourselves. My neighbor's had snowmobiles. Man they would haul butt. Like 70 mph haul butt. And they would go faster. Just not with me on them. It's cold enough NOT in them. It's ridiculously cold on one. I never got a big desire to get into them. I volunteered to plow the road out to the main road. That suited my neighbors.

New Englanders are sort of hard to crack from a friendly perspective. They don't care for outsiders. Particularly ones that arrive from California with 2 sports cars. But once you crack them, they are some the best neighbors and friends to have. But I still didn't want to hang out on snowmobiles.
As a kid I grew up riding them as we had several around the farm.....I had one for years as in the early days in the military we could ride them on base to get to the main trails.....there were always a few parked outside the single quarters.....

Of course a few idiots spoiled that for the rest of us when they rode drunk, jumping snowbanks and making a general nuisance of themselves-the base commander banned them and that ban was never lifted so all of us single rats sold our sleds as we had nowhere to store or ride them.

For a while I taught LOSV (Land Over Snow Vehicle) courses on and off over the years to get my snowmobile fix.....and we used them during several winter warfare and high arctic training.....it was a thrill to ride them out the back of a chinook or Hercules......(while it was on the ground of course although we did para-drop them a few times).

Years later after getting married, having kids I never had time for a snowmobile and we lived in the married quarters so we would have to trailer them off base so it wasn't worth having them.....

I do miss riding them though and the new ones are pretty spectacular.....they have all kinds of accessory ports for heated gear and most have factory heated hand grips and they provide surprisingly good wind protection.

Just like a motorcycle, gear makes the difference.....I don't have any snowmobile gear so the last time I rode one a few years ago (a Ski Doo Mach Z 1000 2 stroke) I wore my motorcycle gear and I wasn't cold.

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That's what happened to me. I bought a new sled in 2016 and it never snowed that year. Living in southern Maine at the time I parked it with .1 mile on it that year. I finally sold it and just used my club's sleds to groom the trails. Now that I live in TX they are finally getting some good snow again.
Now that you have moved, they are probably getting spectacular riding season.......that's always the case it seems.....

2 of my brothers live in my hometown and for years and years they were getting less and less snow to the point that most people got rid of their snowmobiles...it was once a snowmobile mecca.......

This year......they received 4 feet of snow in a 36 hr period and it's still coming....they have 10 foot snowbanks and anyone who has a snowmobile are out riding in force.....as there are many times when the roads are closed due to snow, these guys are riding around with trailers delivering medicine and food to people.....

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Raise your hands if you knew Suzuki made a snowmobile.....

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Imagine this thing........350 hp....

Why hasn't Yamaha built a factory bike with this engine?

It would kill just about anything on the street...

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@Bumblebee , That's not 350 hp stock, is it? The first thing the guy said is that he has a turbo tune. That tells me this thing might make 200 hp stock which is still more than enough.

Watching some videos about old bikes, there was a time in the 70s when Japanese companies cast aside all reason and made a few bikes that were as fast as possible with the technology available at the time. They were downright dangerous although I'd sure like to ride one carefully to get some idea what it's like. The manufacturers we have today are ruled much more by public opinion. Riding the edge between high performance and public approval can depend on profit or loss. I'd think sales volume and price has something to do with it too. A manufacturer can produce a vehicle that's less safe because it's faster. It's astronomically expensive because they make a very limited number. If only a few people can afford it and the company can still succeed in making a profit, the plan worked. A Bugatti Veyron is an example. It isn't worth one and a half million when you consider the manufacturing of each one including the engineering. It costs one and a half million because there's only a few that are made. Automatically, you have a built in safety factor with only a few wealthy owners of your product....although Bugatti could sell the Veyron for probably less than a quarter of what they do if they mass produced them. The company's image would suffer because there would be a lot of fatal car crashes involving their product.

Long >short, there's a tenuous balance between performance and safety and companies need to be conservative when it comes to considering that. That's why we have and always will have the aftermarket. The scheme is to manufacture a fast vehicle that's conducive to aftermarket improvements. The attention of the public to the potential level of performance is averted plus the number of owners of the vehicle will be happy with the image rather than actually paying for the increased performance. If fools want to go out and loose their lives on such bikes, it's not on the company that made the bike in the first place. ...it's more like "you built the bike to make that much power, not us." The nannies will only increase as the power does and the companies have the restriction level planned in advance as a business strategy. It's a battle against itself. The manufacturer builds in highly effective restrictions which then decrease the number of people that want to buy the bike because it's supposed to be fast....which is why the manufacturer made it in the first place but then they make it less fast.

LOL although, Kawasaki already made the H2 and the H2R, didn't they? They made the H2 safe, powerful and within financial reach. The H2R, it's safe but it's got outrageous power, it's way too high in price for most people to afford and it's not even designed to be ridden anywhere but a track. ....literally requires race maintenance at very short intervals. If an H2R results in serious injury on the street, Kawasaki avoids accountability just by presenting the fact that this bike was 100% made for track use only.

They could make a street ready, pretty close to an H2R. They could make a turbo Hayabusa. They could do everything the aftermarket does and they could do it easier, cheaper and better. ...it's just not smart business in the long run.

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@Bumblebee , That's not 350 hp stock, is it? The first thing the guy said is that he has a turbo tune. That tells me this thing might make 200 hp stock which is still more than enough.

Watching some videos about old bikes, there was a time in the 70s when Japanese companies cast aside all reason and made a few bikes that were as fast as possible with the technology available at the time. They were downright dangerous although I'd sure like to ride one carefully to get some idea what it's like. The manufacturers we have today are ruled much more by public opinion. Riding the edge between high performance and public approval can depend on profit or loss. I'd think sales volume and price has something to do with it too. A manufacturer can produce a vehicle that's less safe because it's faster. It's astronomically expensive because they make a very limited number. If only a few people can afford it and the company can still succeed in making a profit, the plan worked. A Bugatti Veyron is an example. It isn't worth one and a half million when you consider the manufacturing of each one including the engineering. It costs one and a half million because there's only a few that are made. Automatically, you have a built in safety factor with only a few wealthy owners of your product....although Bugatti could sell the Veyron for probably less than a quarter of what they do if they mass produced them. The company's image would suffer because there would be a lot of fatal car crashes involving their product.

Long >short, there's a tenuous balance between performance and safety and companies need to be conservative when it comes to considering that. That's why we have and always will have the aftermarket. The scheme is to manufacture a fast vehicle that's conducive to aftermarket improvements. The attention of the public to the potential level of performance is averted plus the number of owners of the vehicle will be happy with the image rather than actually paying for the increased performance. If fools want to go out and loose their lives on such bikes, it's not on the company that made the bike in the first place. ...it's more like "you built the bike to make that much power, not us." The nannies will only increase as the power does and the companies have the restriction level planned in advance as a business strategy. It's a battle against itself. The manufacturer builds in highly effective restrictions which then decrease the number of people that want to buy the bike because it's supposed to be fast....which is why the manufacturer made it in the first place but then they make it less fast.

LOL although, Kawasaki already made the H2 and the H2R, didn't they? They made the H2 safe, powerful and within financial reach. The H2R, it's safe but it's got outrageous power, it's way too high in price for most people to afford and it's not even designed to be ridden anywhere but a track. ....literally requires race maintenance at very short intervals. If an H2R results in serious injury on the street, Kawasaki avoids accountability just by presenting the fact that this bike was 100% made for track use only.

They could make a street ready, pretty close to an H2R. They could make a turbo Hayabusa. They could do everything the aftermarket does and they could do it easier, cheaper and better. ...it's just not smart business in the long run.
It's not stock but it's possible and it was done through slight mods and a proper tune......these Yamahas are potent from the factory....

I know a bike such as the H2 is a special niche bike but there is a market for this sort of crazy machine....

All I'm saying is it would be interesting if Yamaha (or other companies) started the hp war again.....

I mean...why not?

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All I'm saying is it would be interesting if Yamaha (or other companies) started the hp war again.....

I mean...why not?
Heck yeah! I agree whole heartedly but the opinions of the non-motorcycle riding public come into play too. I don't know the exact demographics but I see many, many people driving too fast for conditions and they're not even driving a vehicle that was meant to be operated in those conditions. The horsepower war will wage on as the nannies technology progresses. I bet you snowmobiles bypass the restrictions largely because they're generally not operated on the street.

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Heck yeah! I agree whole heartedly but the opinions of the non-motorcycle riding public come into play too. I don't know the exact demographics but I see many, many people driving too fast for conditions and they're not even driving a vehicle that was meant to be operated in those conditions. The horsepower war will wage on as the nannies technology progresses. I bet you snowmobiles bypass the restrictions largely because they're generally not operated on the street.
I find it kind of ironic that certain motorcycle companies did that hand shake deal and yet the auto companies went nuts......I mean a Dodge Demon with over 800 hp out of the factory....or a TRX pick up with over 700 hp......

But a performance motorcycle has to be choked to death..

It just isn't fair....

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@Bumblebee , that's a good point. I suppose people who crash a fast car at a hundred miles per hour + are likely to survive compared to motorcycle operators doing the same speed. However, the car is a lot more likely to harm other motorists, especially motorcyclists.

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I saw one of these in person (they are very rare) and it was so loud it actually hurt your ears......

When my dad left the military, he went to work for a Massey Ferguson dealer that also sold Ski Doo and the Ski Whiz so we got to see all kinds of cool old sleds when we were kids....

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Dad had one of these.....I got to ride it when I was around 10, I thought I was the king of the snow on that thing as I normally rode a 12/3 Olympic....

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I was talking to a neighbor down the street who is a cop....as we were talking another neighbor started up his Arctic Cat snowmobile which has a set of Jaws pipes on it.......it was really loud......the cop neighbor said the game wardens, trail wardens and police are going to be cracking down heavily on those loud snowmobiles as farmers are starting to shut down access for the trails because they are sick and tired of hearing them....

He said they have no choice but to go hard on enforcement or risk losing the sport altogether......

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I was talking to a neighbor down the street who is a cop....as we were talking another neighbor started up his Arctic Cat snowmobile which has a set of Jaws pipes on it.......it was really loud......the cop neighbor said the game wardens, trail wardens and police are going to be cracking down heavily on those loud snowmobiles as farmers are starting to shut down access for the trails because they are sick and tired of hearing them....

He said they have no choice but to go hard on enforcement or risk losing the sport altogether......
So many trails go through private land or close to homes. People don't want to hear that all the time and Maine has laws about the noise levels.
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