It was bound to happen. (Electric motorcyles)

[Bumblebee]

Another interesting thing (I'm told) is that we usually keep a pretty good distance between people and high voltage. Usually, the voltage is stepped down to 120V or even 12V before it's where the general populace can touch it. Yes, 120V can kill you but 240V or 480V is in another class! I am told also that the lower voltages are much less likely to arch.

Anyway, to make cars and bikes to rival IC performance levels we are going to have to get people a lot closer to some serious juice. That will be interesting.

Having a live 220/240 volt plug in the garage or externally for those who don't have garages and using this in a rain storm would be rather daunting for many people...but I suppose they will make the plugs pretty shielded...people are pumping their own gas these days without a thought.

[ottafish]

Imagine a lumberjack deep in the forest cutting timber with an electric chainsaw....

With his man bun . lol...

[Bumblebee]

With his man bun . lol...

and wearing hemp chainsaw chaps with nothing on underneath...

[pcs]

Over dinner and at other times when we have this type of discussion, I raise the idea of standardization. In an ideal world, (EV world), they should have got together and come up with a standard floorplan/chassis with a removable battery pack. Then the petrol stations, (gas stations as you guys call them) move to battery cell swap service. Much like the old Cobb & Co changing stations. Your battery is getting flat, find the nearest swap station, drive in, they remove your flat battery pack and swap it for a fully charged unit and away you go in under 5 mins. You pay, say $2k a year for unlimited battery swaps, guaranteed for a set number of years and the price gradually increases as the vehicle ages.

ive seen this service in south east asia for scooters. you drive up to a “gas station” and you pull out your battery pack and swap id got a fully charged one. this was popular with people living in. high rises where they couldn’t charge their scooters. not much different than swapping a battery pack from a cordless drill.

[fallenarch]

ive seen this service in south east asia for scooters. you drive up to a “gas station” and you pull out your battery pack and swap id got a fully charged one. this was popular with people living in. high rises where they couldn’t charge their scooters. not much different than swapping a battery pack from a cordless drill.

Problem is car batteries will be big and expensive for a long time to come. Swapping batteries will be complicated logistically.

[rd99]

The big question that everyone overlooks is . . . will petrol be available at all?
(For vintage vehicles etc, like our Busas for instance)
and if so, what quantities per day will be allowed per biker, and how much are they gonna charge per gallon?
I reckon the price will be ridiculous if it is still being sold.
Thoughts?

Sounds like that would be the plan to force the peeps to either electric,pedal power,pubic transport...........or the old standby hoofin'it.

[Bumblebee]

Sounds like that would be the plan to force the peeps to either electric,pedal power,pubic transport...........or the old standby hoofin'it.

....back to horses....

[Kiwi Rider]

........Money better soon be pouring in to upgrade the electrical power grid to support all these EV....

So who's going to pay for the trillion dollar upgrade to the grid?
Big Oil or the taxpayer?

[Bumblebee]

So who's going to pay for the trillion dollar upgrade to the grid?
Big Oil or the taxpayer?

Heck knows.....probably the tax payer...

Big oil will still keep on keeping on as there will be lots of industrial demand for that.

Unless we revolt and not play into EV getting jammed down our throats

[Kiwi Rider]

Heck knows.....probably the tax payer...

Big oil will still keep on keeping on as there will be lots of industrial demand for that.

Unless we revolt and not play into EV getting jammed down our throats

Hahah . . last time that actually worked was . . the French Revolution . . and look how that turned out.

[Bumblebee]

Hahah . . last time that actually worked was . . the French Revolution . . and look how that turned out.

We are a little more advanced than those guys were....

Either that or we grow man-buns, wear corduroy pants (brown), wear man-purses and ride bicycles and trying to punch ourselves in the throat...

[ottafish]

Problem is car batteries will be big and expensive for a long time to come. Swapping batteries will be complicated logistically.

Without a doubt. But it comes back to the idea of standardisation at the concept phase. (ship sailed.. ... Yeah, I know) There are many examples globally where different companies have agreed on a standard across products.
I'd be all for a EV car if I knew I could drive 400ks, pull into a servo and drive out again with a fully charged battery pack in under 10mins.
Imagine the Griswalds doing a EV road trip... Drive, stop, charge....... Getting to Wallyworld would take weeks... And Christy would have hairy armpits and "I love gretta stickers"

[fallenarch]

I just saw Snakeeyes and every vehicle in the movie appeared to be electric. Was mainly in Japan. Even the bike the ninja's road were electric.

[fallenarch]

If we don't want electric cars just don't buy them. That will force a slow down of the technology. I think you are going to find out most people are ok with electric and pretty much consider it a natural progression of the technology.

[rd99]

....back to horses....

Walter.....aren't they worried about horses farting in the greenhouse?

[rd99]

So who's going to pay for the trillion dollar upgrade to the grid?
Big Oil or the taxpayer?

the "future" will pay for it

[ROADTOAD1340]

I certainly do not want to give up riding my current 2 rides , and remain hopeful I will be able to in future , albeit , in time most likely limited somehow , to special club bikes etc.
But I am also ready to give the motorcycle future a go , as long as I am given the type of bike I like . Of course I am hoping for the same fast , very quick , fat torque and high kw parameters I like now , and I hope the industry , if this is the future , produces the goods .
If indeed electric is the cemented path taken , which looks like the case , the no noise isn't good , but I will accept this if the performance is good . I just want to be able to ride in my future .

[Bumblebee]

I certainly do not want to give up riding my current 2 rides , and remain hopeful I will be able to in future , albeit , in time most likely limited somehow , to special club bikes etc.
But I am also ready to give the motorcycle future a go , as long as I am given the type of bike I like . Of course I am hoping for the same fast , very quick , fat torque and high kw parameters I like now , and I hope the industry , if this is the future , produces the goods .
If indeed electric is the cemented path taken , which looks like the case , the no noise isn't good , but I will accept this if the performance is good . I just want to be able to ride in my future .

Here where I am, motorcycles have a very short riding season yet people are still buying expensive HD (and other) bikes...I figure if the EV tech gets more affordable, more people would be interested.

There are many downsides of EV-charging times, weather effects, etc but perhaps these will be minimized with time and R&D.

The sad part of all this, EV is not a new concept, it has been around as long as gas powered cars....it failed several times before...people would say the tech wasn't as good as it now is but in the day they were operating alongside gas vehicles the tech was comparable...

We'll see, regardless of what I think, the government who knows what's good for us is going to ram it down our throats....there must be some huge pay-outs to governments for this to be taking off so hard.

Just wait until all those coal fired electricity plants start really pumping out the pollution trying to keep up to the demand all these EV will place upon the grid...then the picture of some 3rd world country with spent LiPo batteries piled up while they use picks and hammers to recycle them....

[fallenarch]

On the question of who will pay, 4 years ago we handed out $1.3 trillion dollars to mainly rich people and got nothing in return. "here you go, billionaires, have a little pocket change!" No new grid, no new roads, not healthcare, nothing. It would be like me getting cash advances on my credit card and giving all the money away. Don't know about the rest of the world but the US stopped re-investing in itself in the early '80s and just can't stay at the front like that.

[bigoltool]

They're coming! And they don't look too bad really. That dirt bike especially, 80hp and 242lbs sounds like a hoot!

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