Interesting p.o.v. on muslim influx in europe...





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It's fascinating that this should come out of Europe. Mathias Dapfner, Chief Executive of the huge German publisher Axel Springer AG, has written a blistering attack in DIE WELT, Germany's largest daily paper, against the timid reaction of Europe in the face of the Islamic threat. This is a must-read by all Americans. History will certify its correctness.

EUROPE - THY NAME IS COWARDICE
(Commentary by Mathias Dapfner CEO, Axel Springer, AG)
A few days ago Henry Broder wrote in Welt am Sonntag, "Europe - your family name is appeasement." It's a phrase you can't get out of your head because it's so terribly true. Appeasement cost millions of Jews and non-Jews their lives, as England and France, allies at the time, negotiated and hesitated too long before they noticed that Hitler had to be fought, not bound to toothless agreements.

Appeasement legitimized and stabilized Communism in the Soviet Union, then East Germany, then all the rest of Eastern Europe, where for decades, inhuman suppressive, murderous governments were glorified as the ideologically correct alternative to all other possibilities.

Appeasement crippled Europe when genocide ran rampant in Kosovo, and even though we had absolute proof of ongoing mass-murder, we Europeans debated and debated and debated, and were still debating when finally the Americans had to come from halfway around the world, into Europe yet again, and do our work for us.

Rather than protecting democracy in the Middle East, European Appeasement, camouflaged behind the fuzzy word "equidistance," now countenances suicide bombings in Israel by fundamentalist Palestinians.

Appeasement generates a mentality that allows Europe to ignore nearly 500,000 victims of Saddam's torture and murder machinery and, motivated by the self-righteousness of the peace movement, has the gall to issue bad grades to George Bush. Even as it is uncovered that the loudest critics of the American action in Iraq made illicit billions, no, TENS of billions, in the corrupt UN. Oil-for-Food program.

And now we are faced with a particularly grotesque form of appeasement. How is Germany reacting to the escalating violence by Islamic Fundamentalists in Holland and elsewhere? By suggesting that we really should have a "Muslim Holiday" in Germany?

I wish I were joking, but I am not. A substantial fraction of our (German) Government, and if the polls are to be believed, the German people, actually believe that creating an Official State "Muslim Holiday" will somehow spare us from the wrath of the fanatical Islamists. One cannot help but recall Britain's Neville Chamberlain waving the laughable treaty signed by Adolph Hitler and declaring European "Peace in our time".

What else has to happen before the European public and its political leadership get it? There is a sort of crusade underway, an especially perfidious crusade consisting of systematic attacks by fanatic Muslims, focused on civilians, directed against our free, open Western societies, and intent upon Western Civilization's utter destruction.

It is a conflict that will most likely last longer than any of the great military conflicts of the last century - a conflict conducted by an enemy that cannot be tamed by "tolerance" and "accommodation" but is actually spurred on by such gestures, which have proven to be, and will always be taken by the Islamists for signs of weakness. Only two recent American Presidents had the courage needed for Anti-appeasement: Reagan and Bush.

His American critics may quibble over the details, but we Europeans know the truth. We saw it first hand: Ronald Reagan ended the Cold War, freeing half of the German people from nearly 50 years of terror and virtual slavery. And Bush, supported only by the Social Democrat Blair, acting on moral conviction, recognized the danger in the Islamic War against Democracy. His place in history will have to be evaluated after a number of years have passed.

In the meantime, Europe sits back with charismatic self-confidence in the multicultural corner, instead of defending liberal society's values and being an attractive center of power on the same playing field as the true great powers, America and China.

On the contrary - we Europeans present ourselves, in contrast to those "arrogant Americans", as the World Champions of "tolerance", which even (Germany's Interior Minister) Otto Schily justifiably criticizes.

Why? Because we're so moral? I fear it's more because we're so materialistic, so devoid of a moral compass.

For his policies, Bush risks the fall of the dollar, huge amounts of additional national debt, and a massive and persistent burden on the American economy - because unlike almost all of Europe, Bush realizes what is at stake - literally everything.

While we criticize the "capitalistic robber barons" of America because they seem too sure of their priorities, we timidly defend our Social Welfare systems. Stay out of it! It could get expensive! We'd rather discuss reducing our 35-hour workweek or our dental coverage, or our 4 weeks of paid vacation ... Or listen to TV pastors preach about the need to "reach out to terrorists. To understand and forgive".

These days, Europe reminds me of an old woman who, with shaking hands, frantically hides her last pieces of jewelry when she notices a robber breaking into a neighbor's house.

Appeasement?
Europe, thy name is Cowardice.
---God Bless America---
 

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Agreed. What makes it so ineteresting is the fact it comes from a reputable source in Germany in a highly regarded publication. You can already see the beginnings of this in some European countries.

Of all countries, I'm surprised England is getting so overrun by Muslim communities. Where are the hooligans? Guess they only come out for "football" matches.
 

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I'm surprised England is getting so overrun by Muslim communities[/QUOTE]

not by Muslim, 600, 000 from the old East and more to come.

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I'm surprised England is getting so overrun by Muslim communities
not by Muslim, 600, 000 from the old East and more to come.

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"Muslim" may have been the incorrect term...more like "Islamic fanatics." I can only wonder what would happen if a US state (~size of a European country) had an influx of over half a million Islamic peoples and started debating a nationally recognized Muslim holiday. I don't believe it would be tolerated.

The Islamic fanatics are smart enough to take full advantage of the European countries' APPEASEMENT.
 
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Now this is an interesting topic.... Lot's of ways to look at it though. These European countries tolerate it because they need the labor. Reminds me of a similar situation with people that look different coming to the US..
Do you fellas think that the Governments use the instability and ensuing hysteria generated by the fanatics to push some sort of agenda?
 

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Reminds me of a similar situation with people that look different coming to the US..
Do you fellas think that the Governments use the instability and ensuing hysteria generated by the fanatics to push some sort of agenda?
Young Mexicans are not inherantly taught/brainwashed that is a good thing to cut the heads off of Americans.

To answer your question, I hope so...as long as that agenda is to prevent illigal immigration or terrorist threat in any way shape or form.
 

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hopefully its not to late for Europe...how the donkey farts in Europe will be determined by the outcome of the russian lead arab nations against Israel. Russia and its partners the arabs will fail with there attack on Israel at which point a vacum of power will exsist...this is where the European Union comes in...they will broker a deal of peace between Israel and its enemys and then try to rally the rest of the world to stop china.

China is growing by leaps and bounds and preparing for this day meanwhile the U.S. has got somewhat of a bad taste in its mouth and may never return to the middle east unless someone can carry more of the load....that would be Europe.

Hopefully this report from AG is the start of a revival back to common sense before its to late. The arabs know whats at stake and thats why so many have moved into europe in order to try and influence and change their culture and politics making it easier to defeat those who they wish to put under subjection to islam and weaken the enemy....
 

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So "Ozz", from your posts I deduce that all Muslim's are evil fanatics, Russia is still the big bad bear, and China is set on world domination.
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Thanks for your insular view of the world. Over the last few months Israel with all that the US could supply, failed to conquer the "Arabs". Sorry mate but I agree with "Projekt" in that the US Government supplies the weapons, to fight wars, in another countries, then offer aid to rebuild it (Bush last week), using US construction companies.
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Some sort of agenda?

God help us all
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.... nuke 'em! Be done with 'em! LOL!
thats what I'm sayin!!! we got plenty of nukes, why not get rid of a few of em??

Look what happens when you have too much ordnance laying around. We had tons of bombs and stuff left over from Vietnam and needed to get rid of it, but it is very expensive to dispose of in accordance with EPA regulations. So how do we get rid of this stuff for cheap?? Have the largest bombing campaign ever, and drop it on somebody else's country for half the cost of doing it by EPA regs!!

All that droping of bombs was just to get rid of the excess old crap and tryout some new toys, there was really no need for it at all. They could have just turned the Marines loose to start with and ended it in say a week intsead of 3 days.


Anyway, yeah i say NUKE EM!!
 

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.... nuke 'em! Be done with 'em! LOL![/QUOTE]

Thanks guys for your imput, and glad to see art of diplomacy is not dead, thank God Bush and Blair are not that stupid  
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So "Ozz", from your posts I deduce that all Muslim's are evil fanatics, Russia is still the big bad bear, and China is set on world domination.
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Thanks for your insular view of the world. Over the last few months Israel with all that the US could supply, failed to conquer the "Arabs". Sorry mate but I agree with "Projekt" in that the US Government supplies the weapons, to fight wars, in another countries, then offer aid to rebuild it (Bush last week), using US construction companies.
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Some sort of agenda?

God help us all
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So "deldewey" I never said all Muslims are evil but in general the so called muslim religion is one who brings much death and destruction, especialy to the Jews. You think Russia is not at this very moment aiding the arabs in there quest for mass destruction weapons? and yes, china will be the economic leader very soon, and with that, one day, china will come dominate world affairs for a time.

The issue always seems to be Israel dosent it. There are 27 arab countries surrounding Israel. Israel has been attacked first in every war they have had with the muslims. Only when the UN sees that the Jews are wining does it interject itself and demand a cease fire. The Israelis are not and have never wanted to conquer the arabs. They have offered their hand of peace many times. The arabs do not desire peace with the Jews, or anyone else for that matter, their koran states so.

Ya, sure, we just supply weapons so can we fix their country back up and make a few bucks. America can never do right, I get it, were the bad guy in all this.

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So "Ozz", from your posts I deduce that all Muslim's are evil fanatics, Russia is still the big bad bear, and China is set on world domination.
rock.gif
Thanks for your insular view of the world. Over the last few months Israel with all that the US could supply, failed to conquer the "Arabs". Sorry mate but I agree with "Projekt" in that the US Government supplies the weapons, to fight wars, in another countries, then offer aid to rebuild it (Bush last week), using US construction companies.
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Some sort of agenda?

God help us all
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So "deldewey" I never said all Muslims are evil but in general the so called muslim religion is one who brings much death and destruction,  especialy to the Jews.  You think Russia is not at this very moment aiding the arabs in there quest for mass destruction weapons?  and yes,  china will be the economic leader very soon, and with that, one day, china will come dominate world affairs for a time.  

The issue always seems to be Israel dosent it.  There are 27 arab countries surrounding Israel.  Israel has been attacked first in every war they have had with the muslims.  Only when the UN sees that the Jews are wining does it interject itself and demand a cease fire.  The Israelis are not and have never wanted to conquer the arabs.  They have offered their hand of peace many times.  The arabs do not desire peace with the Jews, or anyone else for that matter, their koran states so.

Ya, sure, we just supply weapons so can we fix their country back up and make a few bucks.  America can never do right, I get it,  were the bad guy in all this.
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Diplomacy has it's place. After it doesn't work the second or third time, that's when you have to take advantage of the many benefits of brute force.

Britain and France literally HANDED Czeckoslovakia to Hitler (read Shirer's, "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"). Blind faith in pure diplomacy is the most absurd form of dogma that exists in the world today. It creates more problems than it solves.

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Google "French Military Victories" and hit the "I feel lucky' button. Brings up an interesting result.

Oh, and I have two translations of the Koran or Quran. One that I have read cover to cover that is called "The Essential Koran" by Thomas Cleary and the other being simply "The Koran" which is a translation by Marmaduke Pickthall that is regarded as the closest literal translation available. If you believe that there are such things as "Good" and "Evil" in this world that we inhabit, I highly suggest you read this latter book. I suscribe to that old saying of that goes something like this. "Keep your friends close and your enemies closer." Which, I take to mean that you should know your enemy.
 

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