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Help me out guys, and Lo, I tried to find the last postings of someone that wanted to buy a 'Busa as a first bike but I couldn't find it. Maybe we can send this guy there and he can read it all for himself.
noobie,
Brennanop is right on the money. There are a lot of factors that go into handling this machine. If I would have made the mistakes on the busa that I made with my first bike. The situations would have turned out completely different. I suggest a smaller bike for about 20,000 miles and then reconsider. Of course the MSF course is must!!!!!!!
Marc "Howlin Mad"
Brennanop is right on the money. There are a lot of factors that go into handling this machine. If I would have made the mistakes on the busa that I made with my first bike. The situations would have turned out completely different. I suggest a smaller bike for about 20,000 miles and then reconsider. Of course the MSF course is must!!!!!!!
Marc "Howlin Mad"
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I could, but then people would just ignore it and start new topics asking if the busa is a good first bike.
This is kind of related, so I'd like to share my experience of a group ride I did this past weekend. Mind you, the most I have ever done is three other bikes, all with people I know, but this time it was 12 sportbikes and about 50 cruisers (4 groups, sport bikes up front). It was nice since I got to see up close how others rode, their actual, observed experience, how their ego effected riding, etc. On the highway, a few others kept trying to pass me, in particular a guy on an 2002 R1, who kept doing short wheelies and swerving. As we came onto traffic and everyone slowed, I noticed right away how many put their feet down as they slowed, but, in particular, one guy on a new Interceptor kept his feet down at anything below 30, definitely inexperienced.
When we stopped at a station before hitting the backroads, I made sure to look at all the tires on the sportbikes. 'Chicken-strips', 'pussyshine', however you call it, they all had it. Now, I haven't said all of this as a result of ego or to say I am better them all of them, as these details will play a key role no more than 10 minutes from leaving the stop.
As we proceed from the stop, everyone takes off, but I decide to stay behind, keeping their pace, but giving myself plenty of distance. From everything I had seen, they were going way too fast for their experience, especially on public roads on an unfamiliar route. As we pass a few turns (nothing I would consider tight), I let them get ahead so I can have a bit of fun without bikes directly in front of me. I take one turn and notice another ahead, this time with a lot of dust in the air. Sure enough, rider down. It was the guy with the Interceptor. I stopped and had to lift the bike off of his leg (never realized how heavy these things are without adrenalin flowing). The damage was not too bad since he lowsided into a dirt ditch, just a scratched up fairing. But, in the process, it looks like he broke his collar bone. I asked him if he was looking straight, to which he affirmed.
About 15 minutes later we are off again (by then two cruiser groups had passed). The sport bikes are at it again, passing cars and cruisers on double lines, I just stay back. When we get to the final stop for lunch, I wait around. While everyone is going inside, some still parking, I hear a big clunk. The guy on the R1 just dropped his bike (missed the sidestand or something). No damage since he had sliders, but he later comes to me asking if I had seen it and making comments that it 'happens to everyone'. Ego strikes again.
I didn't eat lunch with any of them. I just got on the bike and rode home. Quite a nice return ride, I might add, with no one behind and no one ahead, the way I like it.
What does this story have to do with buying a busa? I see this all the time. Lots of people see new sportbikes and get them for their speed, looks and/or social aspects associated with them. But, alas, they neglect to properly train and practice such basic techniques as cornering, braking. Some even think that those skills are somehow 'inherited' with the bike, that their R1, 600 or other 'corner carving' bike will automatically lean for them. Then they ride in groups and let their ego take effect. "Everyone else is going fast." "I need to keep up." "Oh, that's that 'fast' bike, I can show him."
I won't lie. The busa is my first bike. I have done stupid things in the past. I have come up on corners going way too fast, target fixated and was saved only by braking just in time and barely missing a curb. I have ridden in a small group, trying to keep up and lost it exactly the same way as the guy in the big group two days ago. I have even felt that being on the 'world's fastest bike' that I absolutely had to try hitting 190, and even thought that nothing could ever catch me... which, to some extent was true, if you don't consider the tight corner and resulting high-side that did.
I still have that bike and it's still in great shape, albeit a few minor parts replaced or repaired. Compared to a lot of people I have seen, I have had a lot more restraint. I did not have enough of it, though, to keep me out of every hot situation, especially when I rode with others (ego, again). The question you should ask yourself is how much restraint do you have? Is it enough to take it slow? Is it enough to stay back and separate if you ride with others who are going too fast for your skill? If you don't have that kind of restraint, you'll be back here asking where to get touch-up paint, the best prices on plastics and clutch levers.... if you survive, that is.
And, no, it doesn't matter what bike you get. 1000, 900, 750, 600, 500... you can go down on all of them, just a bit quicker on a 1300. You won't learn any faster on a 600, I know this from observing many, many other riders. Everyone who has suggested it, has done so purely on the hypothesis that their personal experience applies to all. The old adage "if you've never been down, you will be." is also bullshit. Twice I have been down, both due excessive speed when I knew full well I shouldn't be going that fast. That applies to going down due to gravel, ice, tar, etc. to some degree as well... along the lines of going to fast on unfamiliar roads.
Get what you will, but know if you don't have true restraint and aren't willing to train and practice, you'll probably get bitten. I usually try to stay out of these topics, but my recent experiences and seeing this thread seemed like a good combination. This, however, will be the last comment I make in any 'first timer' threads. In general, if you have to ask, you are just seeking some kind of confirmation and aren't ready in the first place. This post has been neither a confirmation nor a denial of your question, so take it, and every other post made, with a grain of salt.
I could, but then people would just ignore it and start new topics asking if the busa is a good first bike.
This is kind of related, so I'd like to share my experience of a group ride I did this past weekend. Mind you, the most I have ever done is three other bikes, all with people I know, but this time it was 12 sportbikes and about 50 cruisers (4 groups, sport bikes up front). It was nice since I got to see up close how others rode, their actual, observed experience, how their ego effected riding, etc. On the highway, a few others kept trying to pass me, in particular a guy on an 2002 R1, who kept doing short wheelies and swerving. As we came onto traffic and everyone slowed, I noticed right away how many put their feet down as they slowed, but, in particular, one guy on a new Interceptor kept his feet down at anything below 30, definitely inexperienced.
When we stopped at a station before hitting the backroads, I made sure to look at all the tires on the sportbikes. 'Chicken-strips', 'pussyshine', however you call it, they all had it. Now, I haven't said all of this as a result of ego or to say I am better them all of them, as these details will play a key role no more than 10 minutes from leaving the stop.
As we proceed from the stop, everyone takes off, but I decide to stay behind, keeping their pace, but giving myself plenty of distance. From everything I had seen, they were going way too fast for their experience, especially on public roads on an unfamiliar route. As we pass a few turns (nothing I would consider tight), I let them get ahead so I can have a bit of fun without bikes directly in front of me. I take one turn and notice another ahead, this time with a lot of dust in the air. Sure enough, rider down. It was the guy with the Interceptor. I stopped and had to lift the bike off of his leg (never realized how heavy these things are without adrenalin flowing). The damage was not too bad since he lowsided into a dirt ditch, just a scratched up fairing. But, in the process, it looks like he broke his collar bone. I asked him if he was looking straight, to which he affirmed.
About 15 minutes later we are off again (by then two cruiser groups had passed). The sport bikes are at it again, passing cars and cruisers on double lines, I just stay back. When we get to the final stop for lunch, I wait around. While everyone is going inside, some still parking, I hear a big clunk. The guy on the R1 just dropped his bike (missed the sidestand or something). No damage since he had sliders, but he later comes to me asking if I had seen it and making comments that it 'happens to everyone'. Ego strikes again.
I didn't eat lunch with any of them. I just got on the bike and rode home. Quite a nice return ride, I might add, with no one behind and no one ahead, the way I like it.
What does this story have to do with buying a busa? I see this all the time. Lots of people see new sportbikes and get them for their speed, looks and/or social aspects associated with them. But, alas, they neglect to properly train and practice such basic techniques as cornering, braking. Some even think that those skills are somehow 'inherited' with the bike, that their R1, 600 or other 'corner carving' bike will automatically lean for them. Then they ride in groups and let their ego take effect. "Everyone else is going fast." "I need to keep up." "Oh, that's that 'fast' bike, I can show him."
I won't lie. The busa is my first bike. I have done stupid things in the past. I have come up on corners going way too fast, target fixated and was saved only by braking just in time and barely missing a curb. I have ridden in a small group, trying to keep up and lost it exactly the same way as the guy in the big group two days ago. I have even felt that being on the 'world's fastest bike' that I absolutely had to try hitting 190, and even thought that nothing could ever catch me... which, to some extent was true, if you don't consider the tight corner and resulting high-side that did.
I still have that bike and it's still in great shape, albeit a few minor parts replaced or repaired. Compared to a lot of people I have seen, I have had a lot more restraint. I did not have enough of it, though, to keep me out of every hot situation, especially when I rode with others (ego, again). The question you should ask yourself is how much restraint do you have? Is it enough to take it slow? Is it enough to stay back and separate if you ride with others who are going too fast for your skill? If you don't have that kind of restraint, you'll be back here asking where to get touch-up paint, the best prices on plastics and clutch levers.... if you survive, that is.
And, no, it doesn't matter what bike you get. 1000, 900, 750, 600, 500... you can go down on all of them, just a bit quicker on a 1300. You won't learn any faster on a 600, I know this from observing many, many other riders. Everyone who has suggested it, has done so purely on the hypothesis that their personal experience applies to all. The old adage "if you've never been down, you will be." is also bullshit. Twice I have been down, both due excessive speed when I knew full well I shouldn't be going that fast. That applies to going down due to gravel, ice, tar, etc. to some degree as well... along the lines of going to fast on unfamiliar roads.
Get what you will, but know if you don't have true restraint and aren't willing to train and practice, you'll probably get bitten. I usually try to stay out of these topics, but my recent experiences and seeing this thread seemed like a good combination. This, however, will be the last comment I make in any 'first timer' threads. In general, if you have to ask, you are just seeking some kind of confirmation and aren't ready in the first place. This post has been neither a confirmation nor a denial of your question, so take it, and every other post made, with a grain of salt.
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Wow that has got to be the most even sided best put comment on the subject I have ever seen I wish it could be copied and added to every newbie post right after they are posted I think alot of us have to admit to those same inexperience mistakes I know I can relate although I was lucky yes lucky i would love to tell you it was some amazing skill but I know better I ride in a medium size group almost every time I go out and see alot of the same things Thank you Narcissus for that great post.....
Narcissus good post. I must admit I'm really not impressed by looking at my rear tire cause I aint no knee dragger. Also, I am very careful who I ride with, mainly older BMW types. One of these guys tends to ride fast allot (K1100RS), I couldn't keep up to him in the twisties - the point I'm making is I'm not going to ride over my head! Sure he knew the road so let him go. I let him try my Busa and his response was "it has to much power". Sure the power is great, but I always think safety before anything else. When I do rip it up a little it’s on the roads I know very well and under the proper conditions. The Busa is first sport-bike I’ve had cause there wasn’t such a thing in the old days and I was on leave for about 20 years. For me it probably would have been better to get a smaller sport-bike to learn all the new stuff, but I got a Busa and enjoy the power, but it gets total respect at the same time.
Good message N.
I'll have you know my dream bike is the 'ol copper and white Hayabusa.. Regardless I own a '02 600 F4i, it's my first bike.. Contrary to what you said, I really believe a 600 is a much easier bike to learn on. You see, I can be in first gear and slam the throttle, the only thing that comes up is my pecker - not the front wheel... Same for second and third gear since were comparing a Hayabusa and all
My bike weighs all of what, 385lbs dry.. I still dropped it the first flipping day at a stand still.. Had I of had a Hayabusa or even an XX I dont know what would of happened... Let's not even get into burn outs, especially burn out's at any speed what so ever caused simply by a handful of throttle. 600 wont do that the same way, whereas the 1300 has potential to slide you like non other..
Your a nut for starting with this bike, but your typing today so power to you. I will join the ranks in a couple years, just going about it a bit differently!
I'll have you know my dream bike is the 'ol copper and white Hayabusa.. Regardless I own a '02 600 F4i, it's my first bike.. Contrary to what you said, I really believe a 600 is a much easier bike to learn on. You see, I can be in first gear and slam the throttle, the only thing that comes up is my pecker - not the front wheel... Same for second and third gear since were comparing a Hayabusa and all
My bike weighs all of what, 385lbs dry.. I still dropped it the first flipping day at a stand still.. Had I of had a Hayabusa or even an XX I dont know what would of happened... Let's not even get into burn outs, especially burn out's at any speed what so ever caused simply by a handful of throttle. 600 wont do that the same way, whereas the 1300 has potential to slide you like non other..
Your a nut for starting with this bike, but your typing today so power to you. I will join the ranks in a couple years, just going about it a bit differently!
"i plan on getting a hayobusa for my first bike - good idea?"
" dont want some pussy bike. its gonna be a hayobusa or nothing."
"i may be inexperienced but im not an idiot. im sure ill be fine. im definitely going to take bike classes and poop and take it very ease once i get my busa. im 18 btw."
Sorry, I have to butt in once more.... as already mentioned, why did you ask? I see this so often, people come here expecting to hear "oh, it's a great first bike." and when they don't, they get an attitude. Like I was trying to say, this is a question only you can answer.
"Regardless I own a '02 600 F4i, it's my first bike.. Contrary to what you said, I really believe a 600 is a much easier bike to learn on...."
You missed my point as well. Have you ridden a 1300, let alone tried doing a burnout on one? You have taken your personal experience of starting on a 600 and hypothesized the handling and performance of the 1300 purely based on loose specs. And what exactly makes me (or many others just like me) a 'nut' for starting on a busa? Or did I miss something by not backing the bike off the trailer for the first time, starting it, wacking the throttle wide open and trying a burnout in the parking garage?
"My bike weighs all of what, 385lbs dry.. I still dropped it the first flipping day at a stand still..."
My bike weighs 502 lbs. wet and I have yet to drop it at a stand-still. What's your point?
" dont want some pussy bike. its gonna be a hayobusa or nothing."
"i may be inexperienced but im not an idiot. im sure ill be fine. im definitely going to take bike classes and poop and take it very ease once i get my busa. im 18 btw."
Sorry, I have to butt in once more.... as already mentioned, why did you ask? I see this so often, people come here expecting to hear "oh, it's a great first bike." and when they don't, they get an attitude. Like I was trying to say, this is a question only you can answer.
"Regardless I own a '02 600 F4i, it's my first bike.. Contrary to what you said, I really believe a 600 is a much easier bike to learn on...."
You missed my point as well. Have you ridden a 1300, let alone tried doing a burnout on one? You have taken your personal experience of starting on a 600 and hypothesized the handling and performance of the 1300 purely based on loose specs. And what exactly makes me (or many others just like me) a 'nut' for starting on a busa? Or did I miss something by not backing the bike off the trailer for the first time, starting it, wacking the throttle wide open and trying a burnout in the parking garage?
"My bike weighs all of what, 385lbs dry.. I still dropped it the first flipping day at a stand still..."
My bike weighs 502 lbs. wet and I have yet to drop it at a stand-still. What's your point?
i just felt like hearing your opinions and stuff, and hoping someone could possibly talk me out of getting one, but thats not likely to happen. once i want something thers no turning back. but i have had thoughts on the new yamaha YZF-R1 - would that be any better for a beginner rider? ill just have to test them out and see what i like best. im no longer interested in the K1200RS because its no where near as fast.
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I am glad to see Narc has a good graasp on what a hayabusa will really do I have a 2000 maybe mine is slow but I cant do a burnout in any gear but maybe first it will do a roll on wheelie in first but not in any other gear (with the Timing Retarder plugged in) and if your 600fi wont do a roll on in first you got a slow one my buddies f3 will clutch up in second . Your age doesnt matter your riding skills dont matter (within reason of course) it all matters what you are going to do when you get the bike if you are going to try to keep up beat and out wheelie everyone yah you are probably going to get hurt (but you would have probably got hurt on a 600 too) I have had mine for about a year put 5500 miles on it and I still am not as comfortable as I was on my 1100 I am just now getting used to its little ways I could drag my footpegs ride 2nd and 3rd gear wheelies topped the bike out lots of times and done some killer burnouts but my Busa doesnt feel as comfortable yet (I had the 1100 for 6 years 62,000 miles) It is *probably* not a good begginers bike becuase as Narc said if you dont have the self control it will go faster and get there faster than anything else around but driven within reason its jsut like any other bike probably better for a begginer than a R1 or a GSXR1000 or even a GSXR750 they will wheelie in 1st and 2nd roll on 3rd I hear on a 1000 at like 80 MPH anyway have fun ride safe get some experience under your belt a good riding class and not one of those cheesy state run jobs a good class be careful no matter how careful you are the guy or girl in the car wont see you or wont care
