ELECTRICAL GURU PLEASE HELP!!!

[03BUSABOY]

OK... FIRST OFF I KNOW YOU GUYS CANT STAND AIR RIDE ON BIKES BUT I LOVE MINE... SECOND I HAVE A DAPINCI AIR RIDE SET UP AND IT WORKS GREAT UP AND DOWN AND THE PRELOAD/REBOUND... I HAD A REMOTE CONTROL THAT THEY FIRST GAVE ME. INSTALLED EVERYTHING CORRECTLY AND WHEN YOU HIT THE UP BUTTON IT KICKED THE COMPRESSOR ON AND STARTED RAISING THE BIKE, PRESS IT AGAIN IT WOULD SHUT THE COMPRESSOR OFF AND STOP RAISING THE BIKE. THEN THE LOWER BUTTON YOU HAD TO HOLD FOR A SECOND THEN IT WOULD START GOING DOWN, AND AS SOON AS YOU LET OFF IT IT STOPS GOING DOWN... WELL THEY HAD A BUNCH OF PROBLEMS WITH THE COMPRESSOR NOT SHUTTING OFF WHEN HOOKED UP. SO THE GOT A NEW REMOTE SET UP...

I INSTALLED THE NEW REMOTE CONTROL SET UP AND THE DUMP WORKS GREAT FROM VERY FAR AWAY, THE UP WHEN YOU HIT IT EVEN FROM A FOOT AWAY SPUTTERS LIKE A SHORT CONNECTION... BUT IT GOES UP. IF YOU HOLD THE REMOTE CONTROL RIGHT UP AGAINST THE BRAIN IT RAISES LIKE IT SHOULD.... WELL I HOOKED A VOLT METER UP TO THE UP AND DOWN WIRES AND WHEN I PRESS EACH BUTTON THEY ARE BOTH READING 12+ volts MORE LIKE 13.2 BUT GOOD ENOUGH... THIS IS THE SECOND NEW REMOTE SET UP THE SENT ME BECAUSE I THOUGHT THAT IT WAS A BAD REMOTE AT FIRST WELL THIS BEING THE SECOND ONE IM STARTING TO THINK ITS SOMETHING ELSE... ANYONE HAVE THIS SET UP OR KNOW ANYTHING THAT IT MIGHT HAVE TO DO WITH BEING THE PROBLEM... IF YOU COULD I WOULD HIGHLY APPRECIATE SOME HELP OR INFO...

THANKS
JAMES
JC PAINT WORKZ
BAGGEDN20SCHEVY@AOL.COM

[05BusaLe]

Try switching the +12volt connections between the up and down, so when you press the down button it goes up and when you push the up button it goes down! If it is a remote problem then your problem will be with the down and not the up. Another problem you may be having is when the compressor kicks on it is causing electrical noise that is blocking the Rx from getting the signal from the remote, try moving the Rx for the remote as far away as possible from the compressor and dont use the same ground connection point for the both of them!

[omslaw]

(05BusaLe @ Apr. 12 2007,22:09) Another problem you may be having is when the compressor kicks on it is causing electrical noise that is blocking the Rx from getting the signal from the remote, try moving the Rx for the remote as far away as possible from the compressor and dont use the same ground connection point for the both of them!

+1

Sounds like it may be RF interference - especially since you said it works when you put the remote next to the brain.

The compressor motor is gonna be kicking out a bunch of noise/interference. Like 05 suggests, move the brain (receiver) further from the compressor and use a different ground point.

[03BUSABOY]

COULD IT BE DRAWING TO MANY AMPS AND CAUSING AN INTTERUPTION... EVEN IF I HAVE SOMEONE HOLD THE BRAIN AWAY FROM THE BIKE IT STILL DOES IT... ITS WEIRD... I EVEN TRIED GROUNDING IT 2 DIFF. PLACES STILL NOTHING I GOTTA PLAY WITH IT SOME MORE BUT STILL CANT FIGURE OUT WHAT IT IS... HOW CAN I TEST THE AMPERAGE ITS DRAWING???

[03BUSABOY]

(05BusaLe @ Apr. 12 2007,20:09) Try switching the +12volt connections between the up and down, so when you press the down button it goes up and when you push the up button it goes down! If it is a remote problem then your problem will be with the down and not the up. Another problem you may be having is when the compressor kicks on it is causing electrical noise that is blocking the Rx from getting the signal from the remote, try moving the Rx for the remote as far away as possible from the compressor and dont use the same ground connection point for the both of them!

I TRIED SWITCHING THE +12 VOLTS AND IT STILL DOES IT WITH THE UP AND NOT THE DOWN... THATS WHY IM EITHER THINKING ITS DRAWING TO MANY AMPS... OR SOMETHING LIKE YOUR SAYING INTTERUPTION NOISE... IM GOING TO CUT THE WIRES AND MAKE THEM ALOT LONGER AND PUT THE BRAIN ON MY WORK BENCH AND TRY IT THAT WAY.. THAT SHOULD GIVE ME A STARTER IF IT WORKS THEN.. BUT ILL LET YOU GUYS KNOW TOMORROW... IF ANYONE ELSE HAS SOMETHING THAT THEY ARE POSITIVE IT IS CALL ME IF YOU WOULD TOMORROW... 317-945-2160 THANKS

JAMES
JC PAINT WORKZ

[omslaw]

(03BUSABOY @ Apr. 12 2007,23) HOW CAN I TEST THE AMPERAGE ITS DRAWING???

You would need to get a DC multi-meter that has the capability of measuring amperage.

Most DMM's (digital multi meter) have this ability - they'll usually measure up to 10 A DC.

Just hook the DMM in series with the main power of the brain and operate it. You will see the how many amps it's drawing.

Seems odd that drawing too many amps would cause this. If you have the unit properly fuse protected, the fuse should blow before the unit could pull too much power.

Also, recall what you said earlier - the unit functions correctly when the remote is next to the brain, but malfunctions the further away you get. That suggests that the problem is in the RF circuit...

[heavybusa]

If you switched the connection and the problem is still only going up then you have a problem with that pump receiving the signal from the brain.

can you swap the brain out?

[03BUSABOY]

(heavybusa @ Apr. 13 2007,07:23) If you switched the connection and the problem is still only going up then you have a problem with that pump receiving the signal from the brain.

can you swap the brain out?

I DID SWAP THE BRAIN OUT THIS IS THE SECOND COMPLETE SYSTEM THEY HAVE SENT ME(REMOTE/BRAINS)... I TRIED MOVING THE BRAIN AWAY FROM THE COMPRESSOR ABOUT 3 FEET OFF THE BIKE AND ITS STILL DOING IT... I DONT KNOW WHAT TO DO... ANYONE KNOW ANY OTHER POSSIBLITIES?

[05BusaLe]

When the bike is running does it work or not? You might have a low voltage issue as well!

[dadofthree]

Also double check the installation to verify everything is wired correctly. You should not be having any RF interference if designed and installed right.

[Sloto200]

Please stop with the caps lock... no need to yell... Sounds like either the remote is not sending a straight signal or you have a ground issue as stated above... are the ground wires small and skinny wires? or are they thick wires... if they are small and skinny wires, they may not be able to handle the load... or i just thought of this... could it be the electrical system on the bike? Hows your battery and does the bike start fine?

[03BUSABOY]

i have a built motor and a 24 volt starting system... i just installed both new batteries and went with the ytz 14 instead of the 12. so its not the voltage and yes the bike runs fine and starts fine... even tried moving the ground from the battery to the frame on a clean bare metal spot... still nothing...

remember the switches that are installed on the bike work perfectly fine up and down and preload and rebound. so i dont know what it could be. just with the remote!

[OZZY]

it is definitely a signanl issue fromt he remote to the brain of the unit.  is the ant. for the remote built into the brain or is it external??   if it is external check to make sure that there are no kinks in the ant. cable and that the excess cable is wound up in a circle when stored.  

it is not a case of drawing too many amp.  if u drew too many amps u would blow the inline fuses for the unit. instead of checking amperage, test for volts DC. when u are pressing the up botton on the remote control, place your multimeter on the output wire for the up function. typically, anything under 10.6v will not function properly on a 12v system.

another thing that may be wrong is a bad relay in the brain.  if the relay is shorting, or opening and closing, then that would cause interference as well since ur power would be sporatic.  

a way to check that is simply putting your ear up to the brain of the unit and hit the up button on the remote.  if u here a constant ticking in the brain, then ur relay is opening and closing and causing the failure.  u should only hear one click with the button pushed down and then it shoudl click again after u release the button.  

i know that these things can be confusing as hell and drive someone nuts.  ive been a mobile elctronics installer for about 6 yrs now and there is nuthing worse than diagnosing alarms/remote starts/or anything else remote controlled.  

if all else fails, give the manufacture tech line a shout and im sure they can get ya on the right track.

[03BUSABOY]

i have tried to contact tech for 2 weeks now and no one will return my phone calls... im just going to tell them to send me 10 brain units and when i find one that works properly ill send the rest back to them... lol. this is bs this company was great at first and now that they have issues they dont wanna help anyone out