Anybody watching the K1200S?

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No kidding Rubba take a pill...If your at the Co. meet I'll introduce you to my dad, A real world BMW rider that is far from arrogant.. Just a man who loves to ride still at age 73..
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I'm sure...

I'm also sure my point has been lost.

It matters not.

I quit.


please enjoy yer time here at HAYABUSA . ORG

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I'm sorry I have to continue this thread, but after reading the article... ahhaahah.

"We can't imagine why anyone would choose [a Hayabusa] over a GSX-R1000 - it's quicker, is easy to handle, just as comfortable and costs about the same."

If you can't imagine that, then I can't imagine why I would believe anything you say in your magazine. Hello, sport bike vs. sport touring bike, jeez, are these guys rank amateurs?

Secondly, the electronic suspension. Anyone who has watched the automotive world for the past 15 years and the advent of electronic suspensions and stability control systems will see this for what it is - a way for the machine make the rider more confident about his abilities than he should be. Given that this bike also comes with an optional ABS system (again, here designed to make it so you can treat the bike like a car, not a bike) further will give people confidence they should not have, and probably teach them things which are downright dangerous when you are on only two wheels. This in a bike which is the heaviest of the bunch (and thus is putting the maximum amount of strain on contact patches which are no bigger than those of its competition.)

Of course, much of the article is simply opinion, stuff about bike comfort, windscreen design, location of the passenger grab rail, etc. I especially like the comment about the supposedly aged look of the Hayabusa cockpit. Yeah, that would be the one whose vital dials are large and easy to read and whose LCD functions are relegated soley to unimportant values (things which, if you can't read them with your polarized sunglasses on, won't affect your safety or riding) etc. Some of the technical stuff they do talk about, such as the flakey fueling, they talk about as if it were no more serious than some extra wind buffeting around 90mph - try going through a corner smoothly with a flakey throttle, and you'll realize just how *necessary* that is for a bike. "We would go for the BMW, put up with the poor low rpm fueling ... and set out to scare sports bikes." Scare yourselves is probably more like it.

If the answer is the K1200S, what was the question again?

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Oh, and by the way, some of you may have seen a video of a rider on a K12S flying low at Nurburgring (7:57) - it was really making the internet rounds not long ago.  I watched it over and over again until I could see it in my dreams.  By my understanding, Greg Gorman IS the rider, so I'm pretty confident that he knows the capabilities of the K1200S.

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Thanks Steve but I just want to set the record straight on this. The rider in the 7:57 video was Marcus Barth. I made my own video from my September trip to test ride the K12S at Nurburgring and my fastest lap looks like it would have been around the 8:50 range. That was while following an instructor and still not going for all out speed. My Nurburgring videos

Secondly I realize that my statement of the 'busa being slower with each year could easily be mis-construed with the post to the article.

What I simply mean is this. When the 'busa was introduced I remember stock top speeds of 192, 196, even 200. Now, in reading that article, I see that it's down to 178? This is probably discussed in another thread or two though, so I'll happily end this thread.

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Oh, and by the way, some of you may have seen a video of a rider on a K12S flying low at Nurburgring (7:57) - it was really making the internet rounds not long ago.  I watched it over and over again until I could see it in my dreams.  By my understanding, Greg Gorman IS the rider, so I'm pretty confident that he knows the capabilities of the K1200S.

Steve
Thanks Steve but I just want to set the record straight on this.  The rider in the 7:57 video was Marcus Barth.  I made my own video from my September trip to test ride the K12S at Nurburgring and my fastest lap looks like it would have been around the 8:50 range.  That was while following an instructor and still not going for all out speed.  My Nurburgring videos

Secondly I realize that my statement of the 'busa being slower with each year could easily be mis-construed with the post to the article.

What I simply mean is this.  When the 'busa was introduced I remember stock top speeds of 192, 196, even 200.  Now, in reading that article, I see that it's down to 178?  This is probably discussed in another thread or two though, so I'll happily end this thread.

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Thanks for the clarification Greg, I wasn't sure.

And you could only manage an 8:50? Well then, no more respect for you...
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"We can't imagine why anyone would choose [a Hayabusa] over a GSX-R1000 - it's quicker, is easy to handle, just as comfortable and costs about the same."

If you can't imagine that, then I can't imagine why I would believe anything you say in your magazine.  Hello, sport bike vs. sport touring bike, jeez, are these guys rank amateurs?  
While admittedly subjective, did you miss the "just as comfortable" part??  If sport touring isn't about being more comfortable, what is it about?  In other words, if the Gixxer has an equally comfortable riding position, a better suspension and weighs less, where do you make the distinction between sport and sport touring?

I would just love it if you'd say something about weight and wheelbase...

 Secondly, the electronic suspension.  Anyone who has watched the automotive world for the past 15 years and the advent of electronic suspensions and stability control systems will see this for what it is - a way for the machine make the rider more confident about his abilities than he should be.  [/QUOTE]

Harken back to the old days...

I remember when this sort of pap was being used as an arguement against power brakes and power steering.  

How about crumple zones, Chronos?  Are they a fallacy for the delusional as well??  Taking your 'reasoning' to its ultimate end, we should all be riding hardley runningsons, since their technology certainly won't lull us into false bravado.  
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 Given that this bike also comes with an optional ABS system (again, here designed to make it so you can treat the bike like a car, not a bike) further will give people confidence they should not have, and probably teach them things which are downright dangerous when you are on only two wheels.[/QUOTE]

I'll simply let the statement stand on its own silliness.  
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 This in a bike which is the heaviest of the bunch (and thus is putting the maximum amount of strain on contact patches which are no bigger than those of its competition.)[/QUOTE]

It isn't all about the contact patch - it's more about suspension dynamics.  Again, interesting to note that this heavy, long bike - with low rpm fueling glitches - flat ran away from the vaunted competition when the roads became twisty.  The worse the roads, the better the K12S.  Of course, the S rider was basking in self-delusion, right?  
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 Some of the technical stuff they do talk about, such as the flakey fueling, they talk about as if it were no more serious than some extra wind buffeting around 90mph - try going through a corner smoothly with a flakey throttle, and you'll realize just how *necessary* that is for a bike. [/QUOTE]

Well thank you, Chronos, for pointing this out.  I doubt very many picked up on it.  The K12S ran away and left the competition in the worst sections of road, even with its fueling glitches.  I'm sure that, while the S pilot was disappearing into the distance, the poor self-deluded soul, he was having difficulty with the fueling.  Just think what it'll do once those glitches are ironed out...  
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 Of course, much of the article is simply opinion  [/QUOTE]

And your post in retort is purely objective, of course...

Gosh I love it here.

Steve

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tspoole I was wondering what that bike was.  You are too far for me to back up my claim, even if I was closer, Im sure you'd rip me a new one since I probably can't ride for crap currently.  I actually respect any bike, exept for cruisers/harley's sorry lol. But I do apologize for my outburst, but I never do that and it felt good too!  But I am one who finds something I like, and defend it with my life LOL thats me sorry, I just take pride in the things that I enjoy and think its the best. I like that quality about me. No hard feelings were meant by my posting :-)
Naw dude, we're good - no harm no foul, don't give it a second thought. My problem with Harley people isn't the bikes, it is the D@mn attitude.

I am a big believer in the "Brotherhood of wind and pavement" and don't really dig the 'groupthink' I see so much in Harley people.

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I'll never get why some fugs go to sites full of proud folks who talk about,help one another,  display their rides,an' chat about a particular brand of bike when they obviously dont care for that bike.

BMW owners.   When ya talk to them, they think   everybody is stupid for not riding one.


   haven't met a Beemer rider yet...   who wasn't an arrogant #####.
Dude, whatever you are on either up the dose or bring it down a little.

Nobody is saying that one is better than the other - I really like the Hayabusa and I ride with a bunch of guys who are on this board, which is why I am here.

Even if that wasn't my excuse for being here, maybe I want to learn and I think that a way to learn is to dare to look outside my own little box.

I don't think you're stupid for riding whatever you ride.  I think you might wanna lay off the coke . . but hey, who am I to judge?

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I guess the bottom line is...

Like whatever you ride (or get something else).
Have atleast some respect for ALL who take accept the risk of being on only 2 wheels).
It's like being part of a big family (We're going to compete and have some sibling rivalry).
Relax and enjoy the ride (You only get one chance in this life.  Try not to waste it).
Ride smart (Your brain is the most important thing you have on the bike).

Let's all have a big group hug and get over it!

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BTW Steve...That wasn't my bike!
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-besides....I have the fastest and prettiest bike of all. Thank you.

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I'll never get why some fugs go to sites full of proud folks who talk about,help one another,  display their rides,an' chat about a particular brand of bike when they obviously dont care for that bike.

BMW owners.   When ya talk to them, they think   everybody is stupid for not riding one.


   haven't met a Beemer rider yet...   who wasn't an arrogant #####.
Dude, whatever you are on either up the dose or bring it down a little.

Nobody is saying that one is better than the other - I really like the Hayabusa and I ride with a bunch of guys who are on this board, which is why I am here.

Even if that wasn't my excuse for being here, maybe I want to learn and I think that a way to learn is to dare to look outside my own little box.

I don't think you're stupid for riding whatever you ride.  I think you might wanna lay off the coke . . but hey, who am I to judge?
I QUIT(the topic) yesterday... you can read right?

so why dont you go hump someone else's leg.
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