Any decent riders out there?

[BusaWhipped]

I really need a track day to get a hands on idea of these concepts.  

Labor Day weekend. Miller Motorsports Park.

[Jza]

Thanks for the replies guys... i think i am hoping to avoid spinning up the tyres (i'm not planning on doing a Randy Mamola on a 'Busa

) as i think the point at which the tyre breaks loose is the point at which i've pushed too hard..... so if i can use the throttle hard enough to reach the break loose point im gassing out of the corners as fast as i can. From what the posts are saying, the issue is - if i do break traction and im low down in the rev range, the more likely i am to crash as the tyres will REALLY spin like hell.

I do remember Valentino Rossi himself saying in an interview about his sideways antics on the 990's that you only want to spin up really high in the rev range so you have some control... so great information thanks guys

Bottom line is - I think i'll book on to a track school... think the only way to learn properly and safely is to get instruction whilst on my bike in a relatively safe environment

Jza

[Tufbusa]

Jza, I think you have gotten the point. Like Rossi said, if you are going to hog on the throttle and break the tire loose, do it at high rpm so you have some control! If you are playing on the twisties with your buddies being gentle on the throttle, roll on the throttle (Gently) at whatever rpm you like.

Just remember when you go to the track, most bikes that highside are always one gear too tall for the corner! When/if the tire breaks loose things get out of control very quickly!

This has been a very good thread!!

[Jza]

Thanks mate - been very interesting reading... thanks for your advise and everyone else's so far

[bazmaniac]

g'day Jza,
it sounds like a "confidence" thing, m8 :superman:....a couple of good ride days at your local track will get u sorted....you will definately start to "feel" what is happening at the front AND at the back !
i know it might sound rather obvious to some (most?) but if those hoops aren't hot enough you're gonna have all sorts of traction probs with 'busa power (been nearly caught out a few times being to eager on the throttle on first couple of corners from home) !!
Just try to relax and stay confident in the saddle and you'll find yourself enjoying ALL sorts of corners....:happy:

[UncleSteve]

interesting read...

[TruWrecks]

Don't worry about the amount of throttle you can apply on the street. You have more than enough to real them in within a few seconds. Your not on the street to race, and if you are STOP!!!

As far as exit power goes:

Last year I took the Busa to a couple of track days. On the first day the instructor beat it into us to keep the bike in the top 25% of the RPM range at all times. The turn called "The Bus Stop" was the only exception. I was running up one gear on, and stepping it out, every corner the first few times out on the track. After talking with Tuff during lunch and Andy (one of the classroom instructors) I decided to try running a gear lower on every corner. I had less step out, and more traction. I had so much more usable traction I was pulling a power wheelie right before I had to shift on most corners. By my last session that day Andy commented that I wasn't riding 'defensively' anymore. I was attacking every corner with a purpose.

On slower speed corners I have found that it's better to wait until the bike is pointed out of the corner before you get on the throttle. You will have more traction with the bike standing almost upright.

Getting on the throttle hard while leaned over, as you approach 5-6k RPMs, is like poking a rattlesnake with a very short stick. Just because you haven't been bitten doesn't mean you won't.

[skydivr]

Fascinating Thread and what the .org is (should be) all about.

[apehog]

Don't worry about the amount of throttle you can apply on the street. You have more than enough to real them in within a few seconds. Your not on the street to race, and if you are STOP!!!

As far as exit power goes:

Last year I took the Busa to a couple of track days. On the first day the instructor beat it into us to keep the bike in the top 25% of the RPM range at all times. The turn called "The Bus Stop" was the only exception. I was running up one gear on, and stepping it out, every corner the first few times out on the track. After talking with Tuff during lunch and Andy (one of the classroom instructors) I decided to try running a gear lower on every corner. I had less step out, and more traction. I had so much more usable traction I was pulling a power wheelie right before I had to shift on most corners. By my last session that day Andy commented that I wasn't riding 'defensively' anymore. I was attacking every corner with a purpose.

On slower speed corners I have found that it's better to wait until the bike is pointed out of the corner before you get on the throttle. You will have more traction with the bike standing almost upright.

Getting on the throttle hard while leaned over, as you approach 5-6k RPMs, is like poking a rattlesnake with a very short stick. Just because you haven't been bitten doesn't mean you won't.

Interesting and good advice...thanks Tru!

[Takeuon]

Thanks for the replies guys... i think i am hoping to avoid spinning up the tyres (i'm not planning on doing a Randy Mamola on a 'Busa

) as i think the point at which the tyre breaks loose is the point at which i've pushed too hard..... so if i can use the throttle hard enough to reach the break loose point im gassing out of the corners as fast as i can. From what the posts are saying, the issue is - if i do break traction and im low down in the rev range, the more likely i am to crash as the tyres will REALLY spin like hell.

I do remember Valentino Rossi himself saying in an interview about his sideways antics on the 990's that you only want to spin up really high in the rev range so you have some control... so great information thanks guys

Bottom line is - I think i'll book on to a track school... think the only way to learn properly and safely is to get instruction whilst on my bike in a relatively safe environment

Jza

Jza.....may I also recommend this pinned thread as well as the twistie section in general usually has great info for improving your skills.

https://www.hayabusa.org/forum/twisties/103818-so-you-want-get-your-knee-down-eh.html

[R1000]

The right gear to use at corner entrance is normally the gear that provides the maximum pulling power out of the corner. The throttle shall be opened as soon as possible after corner entrance, then gradually increased until it is fully open when the bike is almost straight up at the corner exit. It is easier to say than practice though, corners are never the same, they depend in how the track lay-out is before and after the specific corner.

[StromBusa]

Prolly better off finding the knife's edge with your buddies bike