EV vehicles

[jellyrug]

Yeah, I honestly don't understand that move myself......there have been other reactions to other things lately that I don't understand either.

I think there are lots of governments/people acting on emotions rather than strategy......

However, there are lots of other countries doing the same thing.
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.....and this is why I am saying the attack on Tesla is personal against Musk himself and not an anti-EV movement as other EV manufacturers haven't been targeted.....

Musk sure is not an angel.
I always look at the good and the bad though and try to strike a balance. If I had to ask the question whether the world would have better off if he was never born, for me the answer is no.

[Red05]

It wasn’t the gesture that in a captured moment looked like a Nazi salute, because it’s a gesture often used in thanking or acknowledging a large crowd, a gesture of respect.
The immediate pardoning of and plans to rehire an employee that was very vocally and proudly racist got the attention of many.
The heartless way Federal employees without verifying who was productive and who wasn’t compounds Musk’s problem.
I remember the boycott of Bud Light being defended as a public statement, this is no different.
There is also the issue of Amy Gleason, propped up by the White House as administrator of DOGE, but Gleason said that Musk doesn’t report to her nor she to Musk. In short, he doesn’t work there. Why lies? Hmm.

[Red05]

If I had to ask the question whether the world would have better off if he was never born, for me the answer is no.

Pretty low bar there

[jellyrug]

Pretty low bar there

A worthy life is what we leave behind and what achievements we are remembered for once gone. My own bar for myself is way lower, as I will never even get close to his achievements.

Sorry to disappoint you with my low expectations.

[Red05]

First of all, you're not sorry in the least. Secondly,

A worthy life is what we leave behind and what achievements we are remembered for once gone

...that is an honorable statement, but not what you said at in post #2961 . How many high profile people fail the test of whether the world would have been better if they were never born? A handful at best. Thus, the low bar.

[Bumblebee]

BINGO! They divide by playing into emotions.

Example: Musk is a Nazi. That plays into emotions.

But please don't call the same salute Nazi when it's not a target of ours. Because then your emotion won't be productive for them.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. Well not really. I have stated over the past few years that America is in civil war. It's been escalated steadily year after year. And now Trump has come back into power. And the left has decided they want peace. Because they got their butts kicked in an election. The problem is, Trump is nowhere near wanting a ceasefire. Now he wants to wipe out the enemy. So the left hopes they can make it a world war and garner help from others similarly aligned politically. So Trump isn't afraid to let Trudeau know, if you want to join the war, buckle up. I believe every bit of this tariff chyt ends the minute you get rid of your liberal government. Trump has no issue wiping out liberalism worldwide. This is why he aligns with Reagan. Reagan wanted to obliterate Communism. Worldwide. He was largely successful. And America thrived. Now Trump and the right have tried to label the left as communist. That is no accident. It stokes the emotions they need. Just like calling someone a Nazi. It instantly ignites reactionary emotions.

Now Trump is better organized. And he has recruited some powerful personalities that have turned against the Liberals themselves. War is in full effect now.

Enemy?

Who is the enemy of Trump? His own fellow Americans who happen to have differing view points? What a dangerous and disappointing prospect to think about....

Such division will bring any country to it's knees......soldiers that stormed the beaches in D-Day certainly weren't concerned that the guy beside them was a democrat or republican......the first responder certainly doesn't care if the person they are saving in a car accident are a republican or democrat....

So I ask why would the American president be concerned about if he has citizens who have differing views and alignments than his own when his duty is to the constitution and all that it entails to look after the citizens of the United States regardless of his own personal feelings and views?

Surely the swing voters or neutral voters make up the vast majority of people in the US.....they can't all either be hard right or left......both of which are dangerous and destructive.

I just don't get it.....

[Bumblebee]

Musk sure is not an angel.
I always look at the good and the bad though and try to strike a balance. If I had to ask the question whether the world would have better off if he was never born, for me the answer is no.

He's made contributions for certain...

He just should have kept out of politics.

[CBXRider]

He's made contributions for certain...

He just should have kept out of politics.

Such as?

[TallTom]

Enemy?

Who is the enemy of Trump? His own fellow Americans who happen to have differing view points? What a dangerous and disappointing prospect to think about....

Such division will bring any country to it's knees......soldiers that stormed the beaches in D-Day certainly weren't concerned that the guy beside them was a democrat or republican......the first responder certainly doesn't care if the person they are saving in a car accident are a republican or democrat....

So I ask why would the American president be concerned about if he has citizens who have differing views and alignments than his own when his duty is to the constitution and all that it entails to look after the citizens of the United States regardless of his own personal feelings and views?

Surely the swing voters or neutral voters make up the vast majority of people in the US.....they can't all either be hard right or left......both of which are dangerous and destructive.

I just don't get it.....

The enemy in the American civil war is who you don't vote for. Moderation is politics is no longer fashionable. In the case of who is the overall enemy, it's the opposing political parties. Trudeau and the liberals is considered the enemy to Trump. Just as you're trying to argue that Trump has become the enemy.

[jellyrug]

First of all, you're not sorry in the least. Secondly,

...that is an honorable statement, but not what you said at in post #2961 . How many high profile people fail the test of whether the world would have been better if they were never born? A handful at best. Thus, the low bar.

[Red05]

Surely the swing voters or neutral voters make up the vast majority of people in the US.....they can't all either be hard right or left......both of which are dangerous and destructive.

I want to think that there's enough of us moderates that can outweigh either the hard left or right, but sometimes I wonder. Problem is, both parties end up with representatives that don't really want to reach across the aisle. I think eventually a third party will be necessary, consequential of this irrational partisan divide.

[Bumblebee]

Such as?

SpaceX is pretty impressive....having a rocket land at a specified spot is right out of Buck Rogers.....

His AI companies are doing crazy things......and even Tesla has done some impressive advances in the EV field.

[Red05]

Just as you're trying to argue that Trump has become the enemy.

Looking for reasons to question Trump's character is like looking for ice during a hail storm.

[jellyrug]

Such as

Let’s start with his contribution to our GDP.
You think you better than him?

[jellyrug]

Looking for reasons to question Trump's character is like looking for ice during a hail storm.

LOL.
You a saint?

[Bumblebee]

The enemy in the American civil war is who you don't vote for. Moderation is politics is no longer fashionable. In the case of who is the overall enemy, it's the opposing political parties. Trudeau and the liberals is considered the enemy to Trump. Just as you're trying to argue that Trump has become the enemy.

I'm not trying to argue that Trump has become the enemy....his actions have shown that he is no longer an ally or friend to many of America's former allied nations...........for whatever reason that may be.

However it's not about Trump or Trudeau (who is no longer our Prime Minister by the way), it's about division......left and right fighting over what exactly? What is defined as "liberal" might even be different from country to country......it might not be the exact same definition as democrat across the board......

A leader of a country......any country should be the leader for ALL people of that country, not just the ones they pick and choose to be....that is the sign of a true leader....

I was a leader, I led people that didn't perfectly align to all my thoughts and ideology but it was my duty to put mission first and myself second.......often times below that. My leading troops was never about me, it was about them, it was my duty and responsibility to take care of them and ensure they were set up for success even if it meant I personally suffered as a result.

That is what I expect from a world leader, but have seldom seen this as it seems that they are all self-centered and worry more about themselves than what's good for the masses or their nation.

[Red05]

LOL.
You a saint?

Not close lol but well on the ethical side on the Trump scale. There’s a good movie out about ethics and morals, Conclave. The story centers around the Catholic religion but the moral is deeper.

[Bumblebee]

I want to think that there's enough of us moderates that can outweigh either the hard left or right, but sometimes I wonder. Problem is, both parties end up with representatives that don't really want to reach across the aisle. I think eventually a third party will be necessary, consequential of this irrational partisan divide.

I would hope so as I just can't fathom there are just right and left aligned people there frothing at the mouth looking for reasons to hate each other...

There has to be a huge buffer in neutral aligned people to keep open warfare out of the streets.

Honestly I don't even know what political alignment anyone has here unless they say something as I don't pay attention to such things much like I don't pay attention to what religion people are........

I see a few banners and stickers in the past which says "Eff Trudeau" but I equate that to immaturity more than anything else.....

[Red05]

Honestly I don't even know what political alignment anyone has here unless they say something as I don't pay attention to such things much like I don't pay attention to what religion people are........

Exactly. My life is virtually unchanged by politics or who is on the White House. The partisan “war” is the focal point of many hard right and left wingers, as if without it, life loses interest to them.

[Bumblebee]

Exactly. My life is virtually unchanged by politics or who is on the White House. The partisan “war” is the focal point of many hard right and left wingers, as if without it, life loses interest to them.

I was just about to come here and ask just how this is all affecting the average citizen........are people in neighborhoods all freaking out or seeking Teslas to smash or burn?

Other than seeing any sort of news, there are no changes here at all....

I don't associate with people very much so I'm not subjected to any sort of political views if they make them public that is....