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[TallTom]

He should have stayed out of politics......he has globally hurt his brand.

Politics should have stayed away from him! He was happily Democrat. If they would have left he and his children alone, he probably still would be.

I think he knew he had squeezed all the juice from the Tesla lemon. He was moving on to bigger things.

 

[Zerks]

Agree, he should never have purchased Twitter and stayed out of politics.

Elon turned Twitter / X around... cut 80% of employees and now X is making money... plus... the platform has embraced free speech and other big platforms are tilting in the free speech direction. Its been said that without free speech a country is run by tyrants. Is that what history has shown us? I guess you think the richest man in the world can't choose his own battles to fight. Short term things can look rough... let's see where this ends up his ventures in the next few years.

 

[Zerks]

The Federal workers, plural, that Musk was behind the firing of. You continue to question my reading comprehension without having any clue about me. I was referring to Musk in all parts of this discussion except GDP during Trump’s first term, which you wisely avoid discussing. Musk’s current “official advisor “ moniker is true BS.
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Yes. He received termination orders in February. A judge temporarily stopped the order but Trump apparently is threatening to take it to the Supreme Court.

One more thing… don’t ask someone if they’re ok when you don’t give a darn about whether they’re ok, in other words, sarcastically. It’s one of the lower forms of interaction.

The activist judges are going to be dealt with. No where in the US Constitution does it say a single judge can over rule the executive branch or Congress. The judges are over stepping their power similar in a way that Jack Smith charged president Trump when he had no authority to do it. Clarence Thomas let us know Smith was outside of his authority. I believe Thomas knows more about the law than activist judges that block laws already on the books. This is the kind of crap that goes down when you have a rogue AG like we had with Merrick Garland... the same tool that signed the search warrant for the Mara lago raid.

Yes... let's have these Federal Judges explain how they can legally do these blockages inside the chambers at the Supreme Court. My only concern is Amy Barret... seems she has started to drift from her usual position as to how the laws are defined. We already know the leftist tool named Jackson that can't answer the question... what is a woman... will side with the marxist leftist cabal of obstructionist called the Democrat party. You would think that when a party has a 21% approval rating by the American people that perhaps they forgot how to read a crowd.

 

[Bumblebee]

Well when you live in a country that half the nation won't address him as the president, it's much more difficult to lead that half. In Trumps first term the left leaning media went out of their way to call him Mr Trump and not President Trump. At the same time the population that didn't want him had the battle cry of 'Not my President".

And yes while Trudeau has stepped down, he has a liberal replacement. It makes no difference if they lead in the same way.

And yes that division is the civil war at hand. One side hated the other. You are not allowed to be in the middle now.

It's a sad thing to see all this division.....form both sides....there was a lot of division when Biden was in the seat and a lot of division with Trump....

One thing I will say is Trump needs to stay the hell off social media...a quiet president is a good president....the average person doesn't need or should know each and every thought that comes to his mind......not at all....

Just like his first term, if he would just shut the heck up, do his job, people would be better supporting him......

There is a certain air of "dignity and poise" that should come with sitting in that seat......be tough but be gracious when doing it, far more people react positively and will be far more willing to listen to his ideas that way......

 

[Bumblebee]

Politics should have stayed away from him! He was happily Democrat. If they would have left he and his children alone, he probably still would be.

I think he knew he had squeezed all the juice from the Tesla lemon. He was moving on to bigger things.

He's a man, he can make his own decisions and the one to throw himself into politics will cost him plenty.......it was a really bad decision...

Everyone knew him as an eccentric, kind of strange harmless billionaire who was just doing his own thing and pretty much everyone was ok with that....now this view has changed and not for the good either......once he bought his way into politics and was gifted this position, he has made enemies like nobody ever has (well some others have).

This exhibition of getting up on stage with this chain saw signaling all the cuts to the government was a disaster......not once did it dawn on him that these were real people (on both sides politics) who were going to be out of work and wondering how they were going to survive........

Sure, maybe the government needs to be trimmed, maybe it has gotten too big......but the people who were hired and are eking out a living in it weren't the problem but were thrown away like a dirty dish rag.......that will stay with them forever.....

Someone called them "collateral damage" and I said say that to their face and see how they like that.....these are real life human beings and their families who are affected.

Even though the salute he gave was sluffed off by his followers and deflected to state others have done this before, he has been actively supporting right wing German political groups, making out of line statements and in that neck of the woods, salutes like this are strictly forbotten.......big time.......

Not a good thing....

I think he was still trudging forward with Tesla as he is developing new models and tech in Tesla and their people are really, really worried right now.....I read he laid off over 6000 employees though. I honestly don't think he realized the damaging fall out he would be experiencing mainly because of his previous successes and overall acceptance by everyone.

 

[TallTom]

He's a man, he can make his own decisions and the one to throw himself into politics will cost him plenty.......it was a really bad decision...

Everyone knew him as an eccentric, kind of strange harmless billionaire who was just doing his own thing and pretty much everyone was ok with that....now this view has changed and not for the good either......once he bought his way into politics and was gifted this position, he has made enemies like nobody ever has (well some others have).

This exhibition of getting up on stage with this chain saw signaling all the cuts to the government was a disaster......not once did it dawn on him that these were real people (on both sides politics) who were going to be out of work and wondering how they were going to survive........

Sure, maybe the government needs to be trimmed, maybe it has gotten too big......but the people who were hired and are eking out a living in it weren't the problem but were thrown away like a dirty dish rag.......that will stay with them forever.....

Someone called them "collateral damage" and I said say that to their face and see how they like that.....these are real life human beings and their families who are affected.

Even though the salute he gave was sluffed off by his followers and deflected to state others have done this before, he has been actively supporting right wing German political groups, making out of line statements and in that neck of the woods, salutes like this are strictly forbotten.......big time.......

Not a good thing....

I think he was still trudging forward with Tesla as he is developing new models and tech in Tesla and their people are really, really worried right now.....I read he laid off over 6000 employees though. I honestly don't think he realized the damaging fall out he would be experiencing mainly because of his previous successes and overall acceptance by everyone.

The chainsaw was accompanied by President Javier Milei of Argentina. Whose platform he ran on was taking a chainsaw to all the government funded programs that had killed the Argentinian economy. He was hated by the outgoing liberals and they called him El Loco as also had his eccentricities.

In a year he has now created an economy with budget surplus for the first time in decades. For the 1st time in 123 years, Argentina has no deficit. He inherited the world's highest inflation when he took office. He accomplished it all by slashing the bloated govt. and wasteful spending. IN A YEAR!

So yeah there is more to it than just Musk holding a chainsaw. If we get half the results Milei got in twice the time, we are doing fantastic. Not to mention an ally in S America thrilled to become a trading partner.

Further, when you (Biden) don't invite the largest maker of EVs in the world, to a summit to discuss EV production, yeah things can get ugly. Then to top it off you take his minor son and transition him to female against the fathers wishes, yeah you can rub a guy the wrong way and he becomes your political enemy.

Not to mention he has paid more taxes than any human being on earth after all that.

They should have just left him alone so he could continue to build successful world altering technologies and be an eccentric on their team. Now they will pay the price.

 

[Bumblebee]

They should have just left him alone so he could continue to build successful world altering technologies and be an eccentric on their team. Now they will pay the price.

Personally, I think it is he who will pay the price......

He has destroyed his brand by his antics......and that's not my opinion......I am but one tiny, insignificant voice out there....it is the world's voice speaking....

However the "chainsaw" was intended, it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way....republican and democrat and swing voter alike.....he should have thought that out better.

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I read this and it appears the current administration is emulating the Argentinian plan.....

If you read it, go to the last two paragraphs....that says a lot and echoes what many economists are saying now.

Inflation down, poverty up as Milei takes chainsaw to Argentina’s economy

Reduced government spending brings significant changes to Argentina’s economy under Milei’s leadership.

www.aljazeera.com

.....and another.....

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/09/nx-s1-5280631/argentinas-recent-economic-growth-has-come-at-the-cost-of-the-countrys-poor

 

[TallTom]

Personally, I think it is he who will pay the price......

He has destroyed his brand by his antics......and that's not my opinion......I am but one tiny, insignificant voice out there....it is the world's voice speaking....

However the "chainsaw" was intended, it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way....republican and democrat and swing voter alike.....he should have thought that out better.

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I read this and it appears the current administration is emulating the Argentinian plan.....

If you read it, go to the last two paragraphs....that says a lot and echoes what many economists are saying now.

Inflation down, poverty up as Milei takes chainsaw to Argentina’s economy

Reduced government spending brings significant changes to Argentina’s economy under Milei’s leadership.

www.aljazeera.com

.....and another.....

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/09/nx-s1-5280631/argentinas-recent-economic-growth-has-come-at-the-cost-of-the-countrys-poor

I've been there several times through economic cycles. The Aregentian poor have it better than our poor even during bad economic times. The migrant poor, not so much. But they came from someplace where they were already poor. So it's relative. If you are poor in Argentina it was because they were not working from what I saw. Every time I have been there, even in bad economic times, there was always help wanted signs.

Your cited articles don't define what makes up the "poor" population. I would suspect much like America, they want you to believe that poor is catch all for everyone. So they can absorb poor immigrants into the overall population demographic cited as poor to try and shove that down your throat.. From what I saw over several years, they have never been kind to poor immigrants that come there looking to take advantage of social hand outs. But poor Argentinians got access to food, shelter and medical care. Far better than the U.S. poor do.

And those articles discussed inflation as a driving reason why there are more poor. Well Duh. Welcome to anywhere that happens. Inflation brings about more people that can't afford what they could. That isn't an Argentinian thing.

 

[Bumblebee]

I've been there several times through economic cycles. The Aregentian poor have it better than our poor even during bad economic times. The migrant poor, not so much. But they came from someplace where they were already poor. So it's relative. If you are poor in Argentina it was because they were not working from what I saw. Every time I have been there, even in bad economic times, there was always help wanted signs.

Your cited articles don't define what makes up the "poor" population. I would suspect much like America, they want you to believe that poor is catch all for everyone. So they can absorb poor immigrants into the overall population demographic cited as poor to try and shove that down your throat.. From what I saw over several years, they have never been kind to poor immigrants that come there looking to take advantage of social hand outs. But poor Argentinians got access to food, shelter and medical care. Far better than the U.S. poor do.

And those articles discussed inflation as a driving reason why there are more poor. Well Duh. Welcome to anywhere that happens. Inflation brings about more people that can't afford what they could. That isn't an Argentinian thing.

Beats me, I'm not an economist....nor have I been to Argentina or actually talked to a citizen from there......what equates to being poor? That is a good question.

I have been to other Central and South American countries and their poor were "poor" no health care or any other social services...at all....many of them lived in shacks and were at the mercy of whatever cartel came along, their daughters were trafficked and their sons used as laborers.
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I just cited a couple articles as I was curious and found the similarity interesting to what is being done in the US, and most likely where the idea came from.
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All this still doesn't let Musk off the hook with regular people......I think he set store by Tesla and it was his baby and will hurt when it goes down the drain........and I also think before long he will jump out of the political ring........

 

[TallTom]

Personally, I think it is he who will pay the price......

He has destroyed his brand by his antics......and that's not my opinion......I am but one tiny, insignificant voice out there....it is the world's voice speaking....

However the "chainsaw" was intended, it rubbed a lot of people the wrong way....republican and democrat and swing voter alike.....he should have thought that out better.

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I read this and it appears the current administration is emulating the Argentinian plan.....

If you read it, go to the last two paragraphs....that says a lot and echoes what many economists are saying now.

Inflation down, poverty up as Milei takes chainsaw to Argentina’s economy

Reduced government spending brings significant changes to Argentina’s economy under Milei’s leadership.

www.aljazeera.com

.....and another.....

https://www.npr.org/2025/02/09/nx-s1-5280631/argentinas-recent-economic-growth-has-come-at-the-cost-of-the-countrys-poor

For someone who doesn't wish to make things about politics, you're doing a fine job of trying to make it about politics. So here we go.

Did those articles define "The Poor"? How many of those "poor" are non Aregentian? How many that aren't Argentinian, immigrated to Argentina poor to start with? What country, any country, pick a country, can spend more money on poor as they have less $$ available to spend on them? As Argentina improves, so will their ability to support the poor. Or reduce the number of them. It was their failed policies that made the number of poor grow. Just like the U. S.

An example. Milei raised the price of bus fares. Because buses were losing money as it stood. So he cut subsidies by raising the fares. So yes if you are pour that doesn't help you get around easier. That's a byproduct that has to be faced. Otherwise you have no bus system for the people to use at all. And many many many are dependent on public transportation there. Cars are a luxury there.

In the U.S. if you are Republican, you are far less likely to own an EV. So whatever is happening to the EV market only affects you if you hold stock in TESLA. I've already expressed my lack of sympathy if they were foolish enough to have held that stock this long in the first place. On the other hand if you are first the fool that bought a car based on your political beliefs, and now the fool to think your are punishing Musk, they are the fools only hurting themselves at this point.

I've watched Musk navigate more than one trillion dollar company through politics. That he started from scratch! I have more confidence in his abilities than I do anyone who bought one of his cars.

To date I think Musk is down something like $54B in net worth. If he is worried about his decisions, he certainly isn't showing any signs of stopping what he's doing.

I don't know a lot of Argentinians, but of the ones I do, they all think Milei has finally made Argentina investable again. And he is only one year into it. Which is phenomenal. I can tell you investors are now putting $$ into real estate. Which had been super risky over the past decade plus. Which will require workers. Etc etc etc.

You seem to think Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and thinks he is the only smart guy. Well he invited Milei to meet before January. And seems to be taking his advice on how to cut through years of government waste in a short period of time.

 

[Bumblebee]

For someone who doesn't wish to make things about politics, you're doing a fine job of trying to make it about politics. So here we go.

Did those articles define "The Poor"? How many of those "poor" are non Aregentian? How many that aren't Argentinian, immigrated to Argentina poor to start with? What country, any country, pick a country, can spend more money on poor as they have less $$ available to spend on them? As Argentina improves, so will their ability to support the poor. Or reduce the number of them. It was their failed policies that made the number of poor grow. Just like the U. S.

An example. Milei raised the price of bus fares. Because buses were losing money as it stood. So he cut subsidies by raising the fares. So yes if you are pour that doesn't help you get around easier. That's a byproduct that has to be faced. Otherwise you have no bus system for the people to use at all. And many many many are dependent on public transportation there. Cars are a luxury there.

In the U.S. if you are Republican, you are far less likely to own an EV. So whatever is happening to the EV market only affects you if you hold stock in TESLA. I've already expressed my lack of sympathy if they were foolish enough to have held that stock this long in the first place. On the other hand if you are first the fool that bought a car based on your political beliefs, and now the fool to think your are punishing Musk, they are the fools only hurting themselves at this point.

I've watched Musk navigate more than one trillion dollar company through politics. That he started from scratch! I have more confidence in his abilities than I do anyone who bought one of his cars.

To date I think Musk is down something like $54B in net worth. If he is worried about his decisions, he certainly isn't showing any signs of stopping what he's doing.

I don't know a lot of Argentinians, but of the ones I do, they all think Milei has finally made Argentina investable again. And he is only one year into it. Which is phenomenal. I can tell you investors are now putting $$ into real estate. Which had been super risky over the past decade plus. Which will require workers. Etc etc etc.

You seem to think Trump doesn't listen to anyone, and thinks he is the only smart guy. Well he invited Milei to meet before January. And seems to be taking his advice on how to cut through years of government waste in a short period of time.

That was a lot of typing....well done.....

Didn't do a thing to change my mind though....as you are painfully aware, once people have their minds made up, there is very little that a post in a forum will do to change this...

I typed a lot of information and it has all been either ignored or worked over in an attempt to dispute it.....

And this post is about EV......one of the guys who's company makes EV has thrown himself into the political ring......and is destroying his brand in the process.....something I could care less about as I am not a Tesla fan nor am I a Musk fan.....never was.....never will be.

If the owner of Rivian did the same thing, we'd be discussing him.....

 

[TallTom]

That was a lot of typing....well done.....

Didn't do a thing to change my mind though....as you are painfully aware, once people have their minds made up, there is very little that a post in a forum will do to change this...

I typed a lot of information and it has all been either ignored or worked over in an attempt to dispute it.....

And this post is about EV......one of the guys who's company makes EV has thrown himself into the political ring......and is destroying his brand in the process.....something I could care less about as I am not a Tesla fan nor am I a Musk fan.....never was.....never will be.

I don't ignore. I've often drilled into your sources and cut and pasted info right out of them to discuss. You just prefer me to say gosh your data is the only data that matters. Then I muck it up by bringing up alternate facts.

And you also are highlighting what I've seen happen to you. You've gotten into a cycle of anger and hate and want to be right about what you want to be angry and hateful about. You start a thread about tariffs. Then act like you're shocked it's about politics. There is nothing about them that isn't about politics. Then play victim when you ask it be moved to politics because you don't like the tone it takes.

EVs in your opinion weren't a solution to anything. Now it doesn't matter about the purpose of EVs. It only matters how you hate Musk. And we should all join that party. Tell me that that's not politics?

If EVs were the solution, you should show your hate for the hypocrites that are trying to make Musk the reason EVs will fail now. Instead of asking them why they are abandoning a solution they felt so passionately about less than a year earlier. Not one thing about a Tesla or the problem they felt it was solving, has changed. The only thing that changed is Musk went from saving the world, to deciding that saving the world was going to happen better by joining the other team. Now they are angry. And dang it, if you aren't, they can find a name to call you.

I have not heard Musk change his tune on fossil fuels one bit. Nor EVs being the path to a solution. Nor trying to make them fail by sabotaging them. All that passion he had they fell in love with. And spent stupid amounts of $$ on supporting.

I'm sure you can find about half the world that can convince you to hate Musk. And hate Trump. The trouble is, there is the other half.

Anyone that drives a VW or Porsche or Audi or BMW indirectly supports Hitler. He started all of those companies indirectly when he appointed Ferdinand Porsche to make the peoples car. Go yell at them for awhile.

You claim you aren't liberal. And you don't like politics. Pretty hard to agree with you at this point.

 

[Red05]

You claim you aren't liberal. And you don't like politics. Pretty hard to agree with you at this point.

From where Tom is standing, 99% of the world is liberal

 

[Zerks]

That was a lot of typing....well done.....

Didn't do a thing to change my mind though....as you are painfully aware, once people have their minds made up, there is very little that a post in a forum will do to change this...

I typed a lot of information and it has all been either ignored or worked over in an attempt to dispute it.....

And this post is about EV......one of the guys who's company makes EV has thrown himself into the political ring......and is destroying his brand in the process.....something I could care less about as I am not a Tesla fan nor am I a Musk fan.....never was.....never will be.

If the owner of Rivian did the same thing, we'd be discussing him.....

Anytime you want to hear what has been done... and... what is left to uncover... then here it is from the source of who is doing the work to fix what is beyond the pale. Imagine money going out every month to NGO's that don't even have a cost code. Or, discovering 2 credit cards for every person assigned to having one with a 10K monthly limit... each...

In the end we will see money directed to supporting the millions of illegals that have entered the country illegally. This was all planed in advance and is the reason why the borders were opened when they were opened... This system was corrupted to a point that is hard to get your head around. Our debt was added to in a big way with the installment of Biden... it's likely Biden didn't even know the money was being channeled to support the open border invasion.

The big division you reference has one point that is hard to understand. According to Elon Biden didn't want the astronaut's retrieved because it would be to close to the time of the election and Biden didn't want Trump to get any credit for it. I can only imagine what questions those astronauts have regarding an 8 day mission that has gone over 300 days. Elon agreed to rescue them and that should be happening very soon. Had Kamala or Biden been elected, I wonder what would have happened to those astronaunts?

I am sure none of this changes your opinion... Trump is bad and Biden and Kamala are good patriotic Americans that stand strong for truth and justice and would never weaponize the DOJ or FBI against their political opponents, right? It's Trumps fault that his campaign was spied on in 2015 by Operation Crossfire with Obama's blessing... right?

 

[Bumblebee]

Anytime you want to hear what has been done... and... what is left to uncover... then here it is from the source of who is doing the work to fix what is beyond the pale. Imagine money going out every month to NGO's that don't even have a cost code. Or, discovering 2 credit cards for every person assigned to having one with a 10K monthly limit... each...

In the end we will see money directed to supporting the millions of illegals that have entered the country illegally. This was all planed in advance and is the reason why the borders were opened when they were opened... This system was corrupted to a point that is hard to get your head around. Our debt was added to in a big way with the installment of Biden... it's likely Biden didn't even know the money was being channeled to support the open border invasion.

The big division you reference has one point that is hard to understand. According to Elon Biden didn't want the astronaut's retrieved because it would be to close to the time of the election and Biden didn't want Trump to get any credit for it. I can only imagine what questions those astronauts have regarding an 8 day mission that has gone over 300 days. Elon agreed to rescue them and that should be happening very soon. Had Kamala or Biden been elected, I wonder what would have happened to those astronaunts?

I am sure none of this changes your opinion... Trump is bad and Biden and Kamala are good patriotic Americans that stand strong for truth and justice and would never weaponize the DOJ or FBI against their political opponents, right? It's Trumps fault that his campaign was spied on in 2015 by Operation Crossfire with Obama's blessing... right?

What I'm saying is.........Musk has hurt his brand by engaging in politics........and should have stayed as far away from it as possible......

This same advice holds for actors, singers and other celebrities......and even Trump.......

All of these people have a following but as soon as they polarize themselves into politics it is almost a guarantee that there will be a large mass of people who disagree with their point of view......as a celebrity they are basically neutral and all people regardless of political alignment wouldn't judge them.

By going into politics Trump has ruined his brand as well..........there are many people out there who at one point regardless of political alignment loved Trump, once he went into politics, many people turned their back on him and I don't care who you are, that must hurt a little. This holds true for Musk as well.....

A very sad reality of the division which politics (and at a lesser degree religion) creates.

 

[TallTom]

By going into politics Trump has ruined his brand as well..........there are many people out there who at one point regardless of political alignment loved Trump, once he went into politics, many people turned their back on him and I don't care who you are, that must hurt a little. This holds true for Musk as well.....

A very sad reality of the division which politics (and at a lesser degree religion) creates.

Why in the world would 2 billionaires put themselves through that? Totally stupid.

Unless they both love America more than the success they achieved?

 

[Bumblebee]

Why in the world would 2 billionaires put themselves through that? Totally stupid.

Unless they both love America more than the success they achieved?

You know what?

I agree and actually was going to post a similar thought..

I have suspicions of why Musk is doing it, I think Musk gets bored easy and this is a way to alleviate this boredom......I still believe he never thought he would become so unpopular so quickly as he has little experience in politics........and from all I've read (and that's a lot) politics can be brutal and it artificially ages people from stress....

But I think Trump enjoys the limelight and ego stroking....as the President of the most powerful country, when he walks into a room, everyone trips over themselves to appease him........and I think he eats that up like candy.......the guy's 78, he is getting into the twilight of his life and before he got into politics was almost forgotten......nobody talked about him and he hadn't had a head line in years and years.....ever since he got into politics he is all anyone is talking about and he loves this attention.

I hear talk of him wanting to be an 'ever-President" but at the end of this term he will be in his 80's....who the heck would want all that drama at that age? I know a few people in their 80's who are capable but most of the ones I know aren't.

 

[TallTom]

You know what?

I agree and actually was going to post a similar thought..

I have suspicions of why Musk is doing it, I think Musk gets bored easy and this is a way to alleviate this boredom......I still believe he never thought he would become so unpopular so quickly as he has little experience in politics........and from all I've read (and that's a lot) politics can be brutal and it artificially ages people from stress....

But I think Trump enjoys the limelight and ego stroking....as the President of the most powerful country, when he walks into a room, everyone trips over themselves to appease him........and I think he eats that up like candy.......the guy's 78, he is getting into the twilight of his life and before he got into politics was almost forgotten......nobody talked about him and he hadn't had a head line in years and years.....ever since he got into politics he is all anyone is talking about and he loves this attention.

I hear talk of him wanting to be an 'ever-President" but at the end of this term he will be in his 80's....who the heck would want all that drama at that age? I know a few people in their 80's who are capable but most of the ones I know aren't.

I tend to think they both know America was going down the drain. And hope they can reverse that course. Trump is limited to only 4 years. Musk is not. I don't like Musk for a few reasons. But what he does exceptionally well is disrupt and innovate. He has accomplished things, tons of experts said were impossible. The turnaround of America, is just another problem to solve for him. I doubt he wakes up everyday to turn on the news to see what people think of him.

 

[Red05]

Trump is limited to only 4 years. Musk is not.

Isn’t he, though? In 4 years he can go back to being brilliantly innovative, but will he continue to have the power to fire people that aren’t in his employ?
I’m guessing no.

 

[Zerks]

You know what?

I agree and actually was going to post a similar thought..

I have suspicions of why Musk is doing it, I think Musk gets bored easy and this is a way to alleviate this boredom......I still believe he never thought he would become so unpopular so quickly as he has little experience in politics........and from all I've read (and that's a lot) politics can be brutal and it artificially ages people from stress....

But I think Trump enjoys the limelight and ego stroking....as the President of the most powerful country, when he walks into a room, everyone trips over themselves to appease him........and I think he eats that up like candy.......the guy's 78, he is getting into the twilight of his life and before he got into politics was almost forgotten......nobody talked about him and he hadn't had a head line in years and years.....ever since he got into politics he is all anyone is talking about and he loves this attention.

I hear talk of him wanting to be an 'ever-President" but at the end of this term he will be in his 80's....who the heck would want all that drama at that age? I know a few people in their 80's who are capable but most of the ones I know aren't.

I think at least 2 things about what you think. One, you don't agree with his policies to restore America to a better and more common sense way of running a big business. Does Trump know anything about running a large successful business?

Before you bring up his history of BKs... you must realize he did it legally.... otherwise BK relief from debts would not have been written off. You also have no real history of what happened with these BKs. Was Trump ripped off by somebody he trusted under contract to perform for a large fee? It doesn't take much to trigger a BK when a contractor fails to perform on a big project. How much of the New York skyline was built by Trump and his associates?

2. He stuck to his words of the late 80s when interviewed by various media sources like Oprah. He said... paraphrased... if the country gets to out of control I will run for president and do my best to put it back on track if I win.

Explain how that is acting like an emperor where everyone is tripping over themselves when he walks into a room? All he is doing is following the path he spoke of in public decades ago. Isn't that more like a Man keeping his word?

Trump will always be a decisive and polarizing individual... how many people do you know that would raise their fist and say fight fight fight after being grazed by a bullet and not knowing for sure if any more bullets might fly his way? I know it wouldn't be me doing that.

Musk, Bezos and others have quickly turned in favor of Trump because they want beneficial laws, rules, and policies that positively benefit the businesses they run or own. If they keep throwing insults his way along with all the other BS the leftist morons in the MSM have been doing for years it's likely they could cost themselves a lot of money and positive name recognition.

Keep in mind when Bezos bought the Washington Post he assigned a number of reporters to scrape up as much dirt on President Trump as they could find.

Haven't you said before... it doesn't matter who the president is? Didn't you say the next four years are going to be bad for America?

Anytime a major transition in policy happens the status quo is going to get shaken up... especially when all the misused money gets cut off.

At least we aren't hearing that stupid "defund the police" crap anymore. Recruitments are up in the military... Morale between federal agencies tasked with making our country safer are improving. Things being heard in the ranks that include... we are finally getting to do our job.

It's going to be rough sledding for the leftist that wanted Kamala to be president. We just dodged another bullet with an election that couldn't be rigged because the majority of American loving people said enough is enough.

As far as Trump's brand taking a hit... we shall see... what if it improves... then what will you say?

Simply judge him on the end results of his presidency.... the politics are just a side show.... the left is stuck in the past... they are only starting to realize that by trying to hold onto power at the expense of the People is a mistake.