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[TallTom]

Musk has most definitely globally hurt his brand and this will reach beyond Tesla....will it bankrupt him? Probably not but his image as an eccentric billionaire playing around with tech is no longer the image the world sees and that will hurt him.

Many of the smaller markets are also pissed off with the US and Musk (especially the EU and Germany) so there will be large decline of Tesla sales there....it's already begun.

Playing in politics isn't good for a person like Musk who would have been far better to stay in his lines.

The actions of that individual who did that stupid thing and threw the molotov was done out of hate.....there are similar actions being taken around the world which shows how much hate is out there....that hate will be probably shown on showroom floors by having Teslas sit and stockpiling units instead of selling.

This would suggest that perhaps it's actually just reflecting the fact that the world is finally realizing that the EV is just not the answer to a problem.

If this "HATE" towards Musk is so deeply rooted, this wouldn't be happening.

Tesla is getting pummeled in the stock market, but Elon Musk’s other companies are having a field day in the secondary market—especially xAI

The cumulative value of SpaceX, Neuralink, the Boring Company, and xAI has shot up 45% since last November.

www.yahoo.com

[Bumblebee]

This would suggest that perhaps it's actually just reflecting the fact that the world is finally realizing that the EV is just not the answer to a problem.

If this "HATE" towards Musk is so deeply rooted, this wouldn't be happening.

Tesla is getting pummeled in the stock market, but Elon Musk’s other companies are having a field day in the secondary market—especially xAI

The cumulative value of SpaceX, Neuralink, the Boring Company, and xAI has shot up 45% since last November.

www.yahoo.com

I don't know if the average citizen uses or even knows about his other ventures and if so, how would they protest them.

I think Tesla is a low hanging fruit that the average person can target? If they were protesting against EV, there would be more targeting other than Tesla......they are targeting one man and the only brand of his which is vulnerable.....There's anger towards Musk out there and he knows it.......does he care is the other question....

Of course there has always been private protests of Tesla, there are many videos of individuals putting fire to their Tesla even a few years ago.....

But it appears to be more wide-spread these days which isn't good for a brand.....

Teslas are piling up in manufacturer lots and dealerships because people aren't buying them while there are waiting lists for other manufacturer EVs....that's a sign.

[TallTom]

I don't know if the average citizen uses or even knows about his other ventures and if so, how would they protest them.

Teslas are piling up in manufacturer lots and dealerships because people aren't buying them while there are waiting lists for other manufacturer EVs....that's a sign.

I'd like to see the "waiting list" you are referring to. Teslas have been piling up in lots long before Trump ran for office. You can easily go back into this thread and see that was happening.

While I do agree it's people being hypocrites. The EV was the touted solution to a problem.. Buy it to be green. Musk created the solution. It's the right thing for the world. And call you names if you don't fall in line with their thinking. Now suddenly, we don't like Musk so eff being green. That problem no longer matters. Now you are a name if you support Musk.

It highlights the fact that it was never about going green. If it were, Tesla would be the same solution now than it was a year ago. It is now and always has been about virtue signalling.

[Bumblebee]

I'd like to see the "waiting list" you are referring to. Teslas have been piling up in lots long before Trump ran for office. You can easily go back into this thread and see that was happening.

While I do agree it's people being hypocrites. The EV was the touted solution to a problem.. Buy it to be green. Musk created the solution. It's the right thing for the world. And call you names if you don't fall in line with their thinking. Now suddenly, we don't like Musk so eff being green. That problem no longer matters. Now you are a name if you support Musk.

It highlights the fact that it was never about going green. If it were, Tesla would be the same solution now than it was a year ago. It is now and always has been about virtue signalling.

You can Google this by typing in "EV wait lists in Canada" and lots of various site pop up....as some of them are 100% current, Tesla are still on there.

Go into Youtube and type in "downfall of Tesla" and there are many videos on there that explain why Tesla stock is shrinking at an alarming rate never before seen in an auto maker.....why you ask? Musk is the answer to that.

Apparently Germany is investigating whether he supported the far right party AFD and if so will confiscate his factories in Germany.....not good.

Before you ask, I am not becoming pro-EV, nor am I anti-Musk as I could really care less....I am merely reporting what is happening around the world.......that nazi salute he gave was the nail in the coffin for him......that stuff pisses people off like nothing else does.....I'll bet he really wants to take that moment in time back really badly right now.

[TallTom]

You can Google this by typing in "EV wait lists in Canada" and lots of various site pop up....as some of them are 100% current, Tesla are still on there.

Go into Youtube and type in "downfall of Tesla" and there are many videos on there that explain why Tesla stock is shrinking at an alarming rate never before seen in an auto maker.....why you ask? Musk is the answer to that.

Apparently Germany is investigating whether he supported the far right party AFD and if so will confiscate his factories in Germany.....not good.

Before you ask, I am not becoming pro-EV, nor am I anti-Musk as I could really care less....I am merely reporting what is happening around the world.......that nazi salute he gave was the nail in the coffin for him......that stuff pisses people off like nothing else does.....I'll bet he really wants to take that moment in time back really badly right now.

You mean Nazi Salutes like this?

And if you do a Google search on Musk Nazi Salute, you will of course find every left leaning media feed stating it was. But if you wade past those feeds you will also find this.

"Even the left-leaning Anti-Defamation League dismissed Musk’s arm extension as an “awkward gesture” rather than a deliberate salute."

But nobody wants you to be wise enough to get past the multiple media outlets that are anti Trump.

[jellyrug]

You can Google this by typing in "EV wait lists in Canada" and lots of various site pop up....as some of them are 100% current, Tesla are still on there.

Go into Youtube and type in "downfall of Tesla" and there are many videos on there that explain why Tesla stock is shrinking at an alarming rate never before seen in an auto maker.....why you ask? Musk is the answer to that.

Apparently Germany is investigating whether he supported the far right party AFD and if so will confiscate his factories in Germany.....not good.

Before you ask, I am not becoming pro-EV, nor am I anti-Musk as I could really care less....I am merely reporting what is happening around the world.......that nazi salute he gave was the nail in the coffin for him......that stuff pisses people off like nothing else does.....I'll bet he really wants to take that moment in time back really badly right now.

At least he is bringing our 8 day astronauts, who stayed more than 9 months back home. Could have been done sooner If Biden did not reject his offer.

Do you believe the sign interpreted by some as Nazi was intended?

Do you think DOGE should be suspended and we should fund more transgender clinics in India, against the wishes of their own government?

Besides being Trump’s friend, what else has he done to offend you?

What reason other than caring for his country, America, could drive someone causing loss of tremendous personal wealth?

Do you think destroying Tesla dealerships, burning vehicles, and engaging in vandalism could be a sign of new liberal values, and should be supported?

Why are you so anti Musk?

[Bumblebee]

You mean Nazi Salutes like this?

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Yep, just like that.......and it's interesting nothing was pushed out regarding these......however.....

I wasn't on stage and I have never done such a thing so I'm not sure why I am in a defending position?

I personally am not responsible for the rapid never before seen decline of Tesla stock nor am I reporting some made up information, you can go to the places I mentioned and see for yourself easily enough.

All I am doing is merely stating that people are angry at Musk and Tesla is a low hanging fruit of which they can easily target....deflecting to what others have done won't negate this fact.

[Bumblebee]

At least he is bringing our 8 day astronauts, who stayed more than 9 months back home. Could have been done sooner If Biden did not reject his offer.

Do you believe the sign interpreted by some as Nazi was intended?

Do you think DOGE should be suspended and we should fund more transgender clinics in India, against the wishes of their own government?

Besides being Trump’s friend, what else has he done to offend you?

What reason other than caring for his country, America, could drive someone causing loss of tremendous personal wealth?

Do you think destroying Tesla dealerships, burning vehicles, and engaging in vandalism could be a sign of new liberal values, and should be supported?

Why are you so anti Musk?

See the post above.

[TallTom]

You can Google this by typing in "EV wait lists in Canada" and lots of various site pop up....as some of them are 100% current, Tesla are still on there.

Go into Youtube and type in "downfall of Tesla" and there are many videos on there that explain why Tesla stock is shrinking at an alarming rate never before seen in an auto maker.....why you ask? Musk is the answer to that.

Apparently Germany is investigating whether he supported the far right party AFD and if so will confiscate his factories in Germany.....not good.

Before you ask, I am not becoming pro-EV, nor am I anti-Musk as I could really care less....I am merely reporting what is happening around the world.......that nazi salute he gave was the nail in the coffin for him......that stuff pisses people off like nothing else does.....I'll bet he really wants to take that moment in time back really badly right now.

And I did search the downfall of Tesla as you suggested. From one of the results, I'll do a cut and paste excerpt.

"Why is Tesla’s share price falling?
Despite performing well following the November presidential election in the US, Tesla’s stock was volatile during 2024 overall and has declined sharply since the start of this year. Robert Scott, a specialist in international economics and trade policy, said a fall in the share price was inevitable due to its “extreme overvaluation”.

“Tesla’s stock was highly overvalued, with one of the highest price-to-earnings ratios ever recorded,” Scott told Al Jazeera. This means the price of the stock was very high compared with the profits the company was generating. “This indicates that the stock price was inflated relative to market fundamentals.”

William Lee, chief economist at the Milken Institute, said the fall in the share price has come about as a result of delays to the launch of new Tesla products.

“The new refresh for the Tesla Model Y continues to be delayed, and more importantly, no new models have been introduced,” Lee said."

Let's not forget the Cybertrucks they couldn't dump before the election. Let's also not forget that the Democrats selected TESLA vehicles to be contracted to the tune of $400 M.

Which Musk has openly stated will never happen now. That was chopped as wasteful spending.

So you see how people don't really want to be expected to think, they prefer you read and regurgitate what the media plasters out like wallpaper.

[Bumblebee]

"And I did search the downfall of Tesla as you suggested. From one of the results, I'll do a cut and paste excerpt.

Why is Tesla’s share price falling?
Despite performing well following the November presidential election in the US, Tesla’s stock was volatile during 2024 overall and has declined sharply since the start of this year. Robert Scott, a specialist in international economics and trade policy, said a fall in the share price was inevitable due to its “extreme overvaluation”.

“Tesla’s stock was highly overvalued, with one of the highest price-to-earnings ratios ever recorded,” Scott told Al Jazeera. This means the price of the stock was very high compared with the profits the company was generating. “This indicates that the stock price was inflated relative to market fundamentals.”

William Lee, chief economist at the Milken Institute, said the fall in the share price has come about as a result of delays to the launch of new Tesla products.

“The new refresh for the Tesla Model Y continues to be delayed, and more importantly, no new models have been introduced,” Lee said."

Let's not forget the Cybertrucks they couldn't dump before the election. Let's also not forget that the Democrats selected TESLA vehicles to be contracted to the tune of $400 M.

Which Musk has openly stated will never happen now. That was copped as wasteful spending.

Keep looking.......there are many more...there are many which has equated to a never before seen drop in Tesla stock since Musk entered the political ring....

I could go in myself and fill tis entire thread up with all the cut/paste and links but why? I've read them, I don't need to re-read them in order to substantiate what I've already read.

This is not the political thread, this is about EV and Musk owns an EV brand that was doing ok until he decided to jump feet first into politics.....and politics and branding never mix well and this is something we have both agreed on so I am confused at why you are making such and aggressive push back?

[jellyrug]

Keep looking.......there are many more...there are many which has equated to a never before seen drop in Tesla stock since Musk entered the political ring....

I could go in myself and fill tis entire thread up with all the cut/paste and links but why? I've read them, I don't need to re-read them in order to substantiate what I've already read.

This is not the political thread, this is about EV and Musk owns an EV brand that was doing ok until he decided to jump feet first into politics.....and politics and branding never mix well and this is something we have both agreed on so I am confused at why you are making such and aggressive push back?

Tesla is a prime example of why board members of fortune 10 companies should never get involved in politics, neither tout their party affiliation.

What we are seeing is purely a liberal reaction, being vindictive rather than care of country.

I know you posted previously about the Musk family and racism, but with respect you are very ill informed about Musk himself in this regard.

[TallTom]

Keep looking.......there are many more...there are many which has equated to a never before seen drop in Tesla stock since Musk entered the political ring....

I could go in myself and fill tis entire thread up with all the cut/paste and links but why? I've read them, I don't need to re-read them in order to substantiate what I've already read.

This is not the political thread, this is about EV and Musk owns an EV brand that was doing ok until he decided to jump feet first into politics.....and politics and branding never mix well and this is something we have both agreed on so I am confused at why you are making such and aggressive push back?

This is not the political thread, this is about EV and Musk owns an EV brand that was doing ok until he decided to jump feet first into politics.....and politics and branding never mix well and this is something we have both agreed on so I am confused at why you are making such and aggressive push back?

My pushback is, we agreed Tesla was never a solution to a problem. Musk created a cult following in his product that was built primarily on the lefts virtue signaling. And his brilliant ability to capitalize on it. Which made him the richest man in the world. Now that they have decided he is the enemy, his "solution" to a problem returns to what's it's really worth. Not nearly as much. Meanwhile the very same people that spent their $$ to make him rich, are now whining about it.

[Bumblebee]

Tesla is a prime example of why board members of fortune 10 companies should never get involved in politics, neither tout their party affiliation.

What we are seeing is purely a liberal reaction, being vindictive rather than care of country.

I know you posted previously about the Musk family and racism, but with respect you are very ill informed about Musk himself in this regard.

Perhaps I am......what do we really know about anyone unless we are directly involved and related to them....Musk himself has been reported to have attended many far right group rallies and openly supports extreme right wing groups?
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I completely agree with your first paragraph and repeat that all I am saying is that....and this is the reason Tesla is crashing.........

I'm not well versed on if this is a liberal reaction as there are no statistics whether Tesla vehicles or shares are solely owned by people who are left aligned or countries which are rejecting the brand are left aligned.....

Until such a poll is conducted and statistics are released from this data could we ever conclude this action is perpetrated solely by left aligned individuals.

[TallTom]

I personally am not responsible for the rapid never before seen decline of Tesla stock nor am I reporting some made up information, you can go to the places I mentioned and see for yourself easily enough.

Nor were you responsible for its nonsensical meteoric rise in share price when it happened. Let's not forget that history.

[jellyrug]

Perhaps I am......what do we really know about anyone unless we are directly involved and related to them....Musk himself has been reported to have attended many far right group rallies and openly supports extreme right wing groups?
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I completely agree with your first paragraph and repeat that all I am saying is that....and this is the reason Tesla is crashing.........

I'm not well versed on if this is a liberal reaction as there are no statistics whether Tesla vehicles or shares are solely owned by people who are left aligned or countries which are rejecting the brand are left aligned.....

Until such a poll is conducted and statistics are released from this data could we ever conclude this action is perpetrated solely by left aligned individuals.

Trust me it is the left, no statistics needed, only a little research of their propaganda is needed.

Tesla Exodus Continues As Senator Mark Kelly Dumps Car Over “A--hole” Elon Musk

The Arizona senator said his Tesla is a “rolling billboard for a man dismantling our government and hurting people.”

www.vanityfair.com

[TallTom]

Perhaps I am......what do we really know about anyone unless we are directly involved and related to them....Musk himself has been reported to have attended many far right group rallies and openly supports extreme right wing groups?
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I completely agree with your first paragraph and repeat that all I am saying is that....and this is the reason Tesla is crashing.........

I'm not well versed on if this is a liberal reaction as there are no statistics whether Tesla vehicles or shares are solely owned by people who are left aligned or countries which are rejecting the brand are left aligned.....

Until such a poll is conducted and statistics are released from this data could we ever conclude this action is perpetrated solely by left aligned individuals.

Or instead of waiting we can just use the Canadian example.

Elon Musk responds to Canadian Tesla move

Tesla products, such as chargers or batteries, are no longer eligible for rebates in British Columbia.

www.newsweek.com

It clearly stated that Canada is targeting only Tesla and no other makers. If that doesn't show you that your own govt is reactionary to a political agenda nothing will.

Eff our citizens, we have to try and hurt Musk bigger.

[Bumblebee]

My pushback is, we agreed Tesla was never a solution to a problem. Musk created a cult following in his product that was built primarily on the lefts virtue signaling. And his brilliant ability to capitalize on it. Which made him the richest man in the world. Now that they have decided he is the enemy, his "solution" to a problem returns to what's it's really worth. Not nearly as much. Meanwhile the very same people that spent their $$ to make him rich, are now whining about it.

Like I mentioned in my post to Jelly...

There have been no polls or statistics from these polls to equate Tesla vehicle and stock being solely owned by left aligned people......until such a poll is conducted, I would estimate that people own Tesla and stocks not just left aligned people.....therefore and this is only conjecture that there are also right aligned people who own Tesla and Tesla stock......

Are these right aligned people participating in the sharp decline and boycotting of Tesla and if so why?

Up to the announcement of Musk's involvement in politics, Tesla was doing well and his stock rose early into Trump's term, then crashed hard once Musk engaged in operations within Doge.......is this decline based solely on left aligned people or just pissed off people?

Are the nations which are targeting Tesla all left aligned nations bent on destroying the company of a far right aligned CEO?

These are the questions of which requires data collection to confirm.

I personally have zero stake in the game....I don't and will never own any EV nor do I really care about the extremely wealthy and their rise or fall....

[Bumblebee]

Trust me it is the left, no statistics needed, only a little research of their propaganda is needed.

Tesla Exodus Continues As Senator Mark Kelly Dumps Car Over “A--hole” Elon Musk

The Arizona senator said his Tesla is a “rolling billboard for a man dismantling our government and hurting people.”

www.vanityfair.com

In saying this, no person who is right aligned owns a Tesla and if so are perfectly content with their vehicle and are in no way getting rid of it in protest of any kind...even the right aligned people who have lost their livelihoods based on Doge?

It sounds pretty simple, cut and dry which in itself leaves me suspect.

And what about other countries who were not affected by Musk's participation in Doge? Is their boycott of Tesla merely politically driven and are all these countries left aligned politically?

I hear the words propaganda quite a bit when it comes to anything left aligned...does the right not use any propaganda at all? How can this become "good verses evil" when it comes to democrat and republican? Don't people in the US regardless of alignment all pledge allegiance?

Wouldn't people of either alignment be expected to don the uniform of their country to fight it's enemies?

I don't get the division of politics when people are people....

I have lots of questions I know.....

[Bumblebee]

Or instead of waiting we can just use the Canadian example.

Elon Musk responds to Canadian Tesla move

Tesla products, such as chargers or batteries, are no longer eligible for rebates in British Columbia.

www.newsweek.com

It clearly stated that Canada is targeting only Tesla and no other makers. If that doesn't show you that your own govt is reactionary to a political agenda nothing will.

Eff our citizens, we have to try and hurt Musk bigger.

Yeah, I honestly don't understand that move myself......there have been other reactions to other things lately that I don't understand either.

I think there are lots of governments/people acting on emotions rather than strategy......

However, there are lots of other countries doing the same thing.
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.....and this is why I am saying the attack on Tesla is personal against Musk himself and not an anti-EV movement as other EV manufacturers haven't been targeted.....

[TallTom]

Yeah, I honestly don't understand that move myself......there have been other reactions to other things lately that I don't understand either.

I think there are lots of governments/people acting on emotions rather than strategy......

However, there are lots of other countries doing the same thing.
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.....and this is why I am saying the attack on Tesla is personal against Musk himself and not an anti-EV movement as other EV manufacturers haven't been targeted.....

BINGO! They divide by playing into emotions.

Example: Musk is a Nazi. That plays into emotions.

But please don't call the same salute Nazi when it's not a target of ours. Because then your emotion won't be productive for them.

I'm going to go out on a limb here. Well not really. I have stated over the past few years that America is in civil war. It's been escalated steadily year after year. And now Trump has come back into power. And the left has decided they want peace. Because they got their butts kicked in an election. The problem is, Trump is nowhere near wanting a ceasefire. Now he wants to wipe out the enemy. So the left hopes they can make it a world war and garner help from others similarly aligned politically. So Trump isn't afraid to let Trudeau know, if you want to join the war, buckle up. I believe every bit of this tariff chyt ends the minute you get rid of your liberal government. Trump has no issue wiping out liberalism worldwide. This is why he aligns with Reagan. Reagan wanted to obliterate Communism. Worldwide. He was largely successful. And America thrived. Now Trump and the right have tried to label the left as communist. That is no accident. It stokes the emotions they need. Just like calling someone a Nazi. It instantly ignites reactionary emotions.

Now Trump is better organized. And he has recruited some powerful personalities that have turned against the Liberals themselves. War is in full effect now.