Debate night!!!

[MonkeyButtRides]

Now carry on with whatever your imagination can come up with.

Says the guy with most active imagination, maybe on the planet, and it always leans towards the right at a 90 degree angle....you can't be taken to seriously Zerks.

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I can't believe anyone would disagree with demanding those that vote be US citizens.

Only if you have something to hide would someone disagree. Goes for both Dems and Repubs.

[OldBusaGuy]

It was never a declared war, seriously, it was termed a police action once we sent troops over. Initially, late 50s, early 60s we were there as so called advisers then military trainers ostensibly to get the S Vietnamese army prepared to defend their country…against communism…there’s a frikkin McDonald’s in got damn Hanoi now. As soon as it was clear that their army wasn’t up to the task (China had an interest in N Vietnam) we stupidly began sending troops. We even announced ahead of time when we began increasing the number of soldiers. Ridiculous huh? Hanoi tortured the POWs for years and years while we played at waging war. They even allowed Jane Fonda in Hanoi while our soldiers were in the ‘Hilton’ prison. She was on the news pictured behind a N Vietnamese (made in China) cannon or anti aircraft gun, I forget. Damn right it was a war but one that our leaders never tried to win.

I'm old enough to have signed up for the draft and still have my draft card. When I got it my classification was 1H for 1 holding, meaning that I wasn't going to be drafted right away but the door was still open for the draft. About the time I graduated from high school, things started winding down and my fears of going off to some far off country to fight for something that didn't understand and possibly come home in a body bag went away. I had also attended the funeral of a local boy/young man who came home in a body bag and wasn't very happy that he lost his life for a bunch of politicians playing games with young men's lives. Of course it was mostly the poor and middle class ones that fought because they didn't have the connections to have a doctor deem them as unfit due to bone spurs like someone else that we know did. Five times.

[CBXRider]

Only old white men make the rules so only old white men should fight the wars, but they won’t because,
only old white men make the rules.

How bout only 65 and older? Make it mandatory. How many wars would we have?

[CBXRider]

I'm old enough to have signed up for the draft and still have my draft card. When I got it my classification was 1H for 1 holding, meaning that I wasn't going to be drafted right away but the door was still open for the draft. About the time I graduated from high school, things started winding down and my fears of going off to some far off country to fight for something that didn't understand and possibly come home in a body bag went away. I had also attended the funeral of a local boy/young man who came home in a body bag and wasn't very happy that he lost his life for a bunch of politicians playing games with young men's lives. Of course it was mostly the poor and middle class ones that fought because they didn't have the connections to have a doctor deem them as unfit due to bone spurs like someone else that we know did. Five times.

I still have my “Greetings” letter from Nixon and met with a recruiter the next day. I had no interest in being a two year draftee with a loooong reservist obligation. Since one of my brothers was in the middle of his second extended tour, I could’ve refused to go if I wanted. I wonder how many have actually exercised that option. I doubt that any have but the military may have the last say in keeping close relatives out of the same war zone. You may recall the WW2 Sullivan brothers tragedy. My brother died as a result of AO exposure, liver and kidney failure. He deserved a few more healthy years.

[Zerks]

Says the guy with most active imagination, maybe on the planet, and it always leans towards the right at a 90 degree angle....you can't be taken to seriously Zerks.

I would say it can't be determined you are awake to the realities of life. My imagination is fine. Need proof? If you respect Albert Einstein's wisdom, then, you have to ask yourself.... Why did he say this?

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”​

As I said, my imagination is fine... meanwhile your understanding of how important or unimportant my imagination is appears to be lost.
Is their anything else you would like to tell me about my imagination?

Many of the discoveries made by Einstein and others working in the field of science became known because they suspended what they already knew and imagined something they had been contemplating about for a period of time. We really don't have anything new in the Universe as we see it... we only have discoveries that are already here. This is what quantum physics and infinity that is infinite is telling us so far.

[Bumblebee]

I'm old enough to have signed up for the draft and still have my draft card. When I got it my classification was 1H for 1 holding, meaning that I wasn't going to be drafted right away but the door was still open for the draft. About the time I graduated from high school, things started winding down and my fears of going off to some far off country to fight for something that didn't understand and possibly come home in a body bag went away. I had also attended the funeral of a local boy/young man who came home in a body bag and wasn't very happy that he lost his life for a bunch of politicians playing games with young men's lives. Of course it was mostly the poor and middle class ones that fought because they didn't have the connections to have a doctor deem them as unfit due to bone spurs like someone else that we know did. Five times.

Did you ever end up serving after?

Military members go to war because of politicians and fight and die for each other, that sacrifice can never be down-played.

While a military member is on operations, they have to believe in the mission.

Nobody wants war.......but there are times when intervention against oppression is necessary, evil lurks out there and someone needs to step up to fight it even if it is a losing battle....Vietnam was a lost war due to political interference, the US shut it down before it escalated into a larger war involving many other countries one of which was China.

Patriots of all classes volunteered to fight...WW2 saw many actors and famous people in uniform fighting for their country. Korea, Vietnam, even Iraq and Afghanistan had famous people in uniform because their country came before themselves.

[michael parris heuberger]

Lenin was a saint compared to Stalin

Hi. Yes but he is yhe one that staryed it. I think of the Demeacratic party as Lenin with what they think is a better way to go in the USA. I also think it would have to go the way of Stalin to make it work.

[michael parris heuberger]

Hi. Yes but he is yhe one that staryed it. I think of the Demeacratic party as Lenin with what they think is a better way to go in the USA. I also think it would have to go the way of Stalin to make it work.

Hi
This part of a quote. ( You job is not to die for your country--

[OldBusaGuy]

Did you ever end up serving after?

Military members go to war because of politicians and fight and die for each other, that sacrifice can never be down-played.

While a military member is on operations, they have to believe in the mission.

Nobody wants war.......but there are times when intervention against oppression is necessary, evil lurks out there and someone needs to step up to fight it even if it is a losing battle....Vietnam was a lost war due to political interference, the US shut it down before it escalated into a larger war involving many other countries one of which was China.

I didn't end up serving. After I graduated, the job market sucked and I called a recruiter and talked to them about serving and was told that with all of the troops coming home from Nam, they didn't need anymore help.

Eventually the job market improved and I had a nice long career working in a factory. I had a couple of uncles that were career military and another one that served in Nam for one or two hitched. He was in artillery and was nearly deaf from it.

[MonkeyButtRides]

I can't believe anyone would disagree with demanding those that vote be US citizens.

Only if you have something to hide would someone disagree. Goes for both Dems and Repubs.

Completely agree on both accounts.

The devil is in the details. If you want to actually know what is in the bill linked from that tweet here you go....

https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/8281?q={"search":"HR8281"}&s=2&r=1

Not supporting the bill doesn't mean you want anyone and everyone to vote in a federal election. It means you don't support this particular implementation of enforcement. Letting each individual state, decide what constitutes proof of US Citizenship in a federal election, which is what this bill does, I do not support. Maga probably wants to hang me for this and would consider me a traitor.

[MonkeyButtRides]

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.”

Imagination is very important, it is one of the first steps to manifest something into reality. Regurgitating conspiracy theories is not imagination, I guess I was wrong about that. Look at me...still pissing into the wind...LOL

[Zerks]

Imagination is very important, it is one of the first steps to manifest something into reality. Regurgitating conspiracy theories is not imagination, I guess I was wrong about that. Look at me...still pissing into the wind...LOL

It stands to reason that when your screen name is MonkeyButtRides then pissing in the wind is an imaginitive way to discover what works best when needing a shower. lol !

[Zerks]

Did you ever end up serving after?

Military members go to war because of politicians and fight and die for each other, that sacrifice can never be down-played.

While a military member is on operations, they have to believe in the mission.

Nobody wants war.......but there are times when intervention against oppression is necessary, evil lurks out there and someone needs to step up to fight it even if it is a losing battle....Vietnam was a lost war due to political interference, the US shut it down before it escalated into a larger war involving many other countries one of which was China.

Patriots of all classes volunteered to fight...WW2 saw many actors and famous people in uniform fighting for their country. Korea, Vietnam, even Iraq and Afghanistan had famous people in uniform because their country came before themselves.

No, I didn't end up serving. The draft stopped short by 2 call ups. In 72 ( I think ) 1 thru 95 was called for the next round. That draft call was cancelled and didn't happen. Had that round gone to boot camp then my number of 108 would have been inside the next group if it had been called. When I was 25 I considered enlisting before becoming too old to enlist because the limit to enlist at that time was 26. I already had 4 years of oilfield experience and was about to get a supervisor position as a driller with my own crew. Add to that I was actually liking it for the physical, dirty and hazardous job that it was because we never stayed in one place too long. Most of this took place in Wyoming and Utah and I liked being in the west over living in Minnesota where I was raised.

As far as nobody wanting wars go... I don't know... it appears history has its fair share of crazy people that want to play the conquest card and take what doesn't belong to them. That does lead us to the point of intervention and leaves us no practical solutions except to engage and stop those land grabs from happening.

[Bumblebee]

As far as nobody wanting wars go... I don't know... it appears history has its fair share of crazy people that want to play the conquest card and take what doesn't belong to them. That does lead us to the point of intervention and leaves us no practical solutions except to engage and stop those land grabs from happening.

The mindset of military members is an unique one....we don't want to go to war but it's what we signed up for and what separates civilians from military personnel.....

Wars aren't all about fighting and killing, there's a lot of humanitarian aid involved along with protection from oppression.

Wherever there's evil, there has to be people ready to take on and face that evil...right now the world is rife with bad actors.

I personally believe that world leaders should have had to spend time in their militaries....fi they are expecting their sons and daughters to join and potentially fight for their country, their leaders should at least have walked in their boots.

[Zerks]

The mindset of military members is an unique one....we don't want to go to war but it's what we signed up for and what separates civilians from military personnel.....

Wars aren't all about fighting and killing, there's a lot of humanitarian aid involved along with protection from oppression.

Wherever there's evil, there has to be people ready to take on and face that evil...right now the world is rife with bad actors.

I personally believe that world leaders should have had to spend time in their militaries....fi they are expecting their sons and daughters to join and potentially fight for their country, their leaders should at least have walked in their boots.

If that happened only the truly crazed idiots would engage in wars.

[jellyrug]

It took a bit of time, but finally I get it.

[Bumblebee]

If that happened only the truly crazed idiots would engage in wars.

There are more than a few crazed idiots doing just that......it's why good men and women have to put their lives on the line to stop these idiots.

[Blanca BusaLess]

From the grass roots all the way up to congressional and senate democrats the demand for Biden to step down is growing and not going away. He works for us, them especially.
YET...he and his boss Jill have declared 'WE will make that decision'
So he's ignoring the will of voters and doing what HE wants.
No concern for the future of the party. In total denial. Stephanopoulis told him he was down in multiple states and losing in the polls.
Biden said 'I don't believe that. They are wrong.'
Fake news? Sounds familiar.

So ignoring all who he works for and doing as he pleases till the very end. Who's the dictator now?
Czar Joe thats who.

[Bumblebee]

From the grass roots all the way up to congressional and senate democrats the demand for Biden to step down is growing and not going away. He works for us, them especially.
YET...he and his boss Jill have declared 'WE will make that decision'
So he's ignoring the will of voters and doing what HE wants.
No concern for the future of the party. In total denial. Stephanopoulis told him he was down in multiple states and losing in the polls.
Biden said 'I don't believe that. They are wrong.'
Fake news? Sounds familiar.

So ignoring all who he works for and doing as he pleases till the very end. Who's the dictator now?
Czar Joe thats who.

I think he's still trying to be the man for his wife....she's pushing him......and I believe too hard......she must be pretty narcissistic as well as I think she likes being in the spotlight.