What a joke....

[BusaWhipped]

The government already has "socialized medicine". Both the Veterans Administration medical system and Medicare are alive and functioning. We can argue about their funding and efficiency but at least a few studies rate the VA system as quite competent. I have a riding buddy that is a VA Nurse and he says it's a pretty efficient care system. Although I have a VA Med card, I have no personal experience with it. The overuse of the word "socialism", I think, is really painful for me, I studied both Communism and Socialism in college and personally have a hard time dovetailing the real thing with.....when our Govt. tries to help folks. I know conservatives tend to believe it breeds dependance and I don't want anyone exploiting my tax dollars either BUT I simply think that some functions in society should not be in the "for profit" arena. I was on a jury once and learned what goes on behind locked doors in the ivory towers of medical insurance companies. The word murder is part of it. Denying coverage helps profit, helping people hurts the profit line. I could talk about what I learned all day but I won't, it's too complex and ugly, just know I have strong feelings about the insurance industry and their ways,including the awful lobbying that goes on to the Govt. whores they call congress. I'll shut up now, got to go Christmas shopping!

I don't think there are many who would disagree that reforms were needed in the health insurance industry. Competition is always better than a monopoly, even if the government is the single entity. The Government has never been able to provide anything better or cheaper. I'm glad your friend is happy with his care, but he is in the minority based on the folks I know dependent on the VA and Medicare.

 

[KFORCE1]

Yepster, FYI, I have no problem with Kenyans. I just refer to the halfrican as one because that is where he is from.

I didn't think you had a problem Sir. I understood where you were coming from. However, his father was from there. He is I believe an American. Thank you.

 

[skydivr]

If the VA is the posterchild for socialized medicine....

The VA, and most of the DoD medical systems, are NOT the best in the world. I have a friend of mine this last week that almost DIED in the DoD medical system. He is a senior Blackhawk pilot (W4) at Fort Wainright, AK. I have a pic of him flying his bird UNDER the crossed swords in downdown Bagdad before they stopped the practice.

Last week he woke up and could not walk. Went on sick call. The Private in charge at sickcall told him to wait to see the doctor, but a private contract nurse saw his symptons and insisted he move to the front of the line. Still, the doctor on call said 'take 2 asprin and see the specialist on Friday' so he waited. On Friday, the specialist saw him and said, GET ON AN AIRPLAINE RIGHT NOW FOR Ankorage. They FLEW him and his wife (also a nurse) directly to the civilian ER in Ankorage - he had a 3 foot long blood clot in his thigh (caused by sitting in cramped positions - cockpit - for long hours). It could have gotten into his lungs, caused an embolism and killed him. They had to sick a catheter in his leg and feed anti-clotting agent directly to the clot. He called me last night; he's been sitting perfectly still for 3 days without food. They cleared the clot above his knee but not yet below it but took the catheter out. He's got two young kids and he came really close to dying due to the bureaucracy of the military medical care system. No offense to Army Doctors, because in the middle of a firefight with wounded, they save a lot of lives. But in peacetime, they are NOT the best. The bureaucracy is mind-numbing.

BW is right, Obamacare was written in a way to put this upon the public in stages, so that when the bad parts hit, it would be too late (and after the election) to stop the massive snowball rolling down the hill after gaining speed. As an employer I know what Obamacare entails. The healthcare coverage I pay for my employees is pretty dang good, but it will NOT survive the upcoming changes required by Obamacare, and we will end up with the public option by default and everyone will be wondering 'what happpened?".

It certainly is a noble cause to try and provide free healthcare for 100% of Americans (and all the illegals we also support) with our tax dollars. But noble causes often implode upon themselves. I am now officially off-topic, but Obamacare was shoved down the throats of Americans with backdoor tricks that Pelosi and Reid are unapologetic for, are going to seriously degrade the quality and accessability of heathcare (dumbing down) and in the long run destroy it.
Not every child can make an "A"; not every person can get a college degree, and not every person is going to get the same quality of healthcare, unless the bar is seriously lowered.

 

[Schexy1]

I don't care where Obama was from. The Fact is that he Failed Miserably as the President of the United States of America. Liberals give Excuses While the Conservative Majority of America is trying to give us Solutions. The best Republican for President was Herman Cain....................Liberal MEDIA took care of that !!!!!

Robert

No his hands and pecker did all the damage.

 

[Schexy1]

I always find it amazing how much tunnel vision the Right has. The worst President ever? Based on what? It always seems that the “worst” comparisons only involves the last three Democrats, never a Republican or slain Democrat. Is Kennedy left out because of respect for the dead or you just don’t know what he did or didn’t do? Is Obama the worst? In real measurement of presidential success, how does he compare to the Bush’s or Reagan? Is three years enough time to tell? Please stop changing the rules when you deal with the other side.

Here is some food for thought; there are a lot of Military members here from all branches of the service. The majority of people on this board respects and honors them. What makes them special?

When I was in the Air Force, there was competition, animosity and even hate between the different branches. On the small island of Okinawa, the different branches of our military constantly got in physical altercations with each other.

To Marines, AF members were five little letters used to call a cat a kitty (Naughty By Nature reference). I knew several people who were severely beaten by Marines and See Bees because those commands thought that was how you proved you manhood and dedication to the Corp or MOS. One guy I knew was found dead after he was seen being chased by six Marines. Even though I had several friends who were in the Marines, when I was downtown or on the football field, I took every opportunity to show a Marine what it was like to be F’ed up by an AF p___y.

I know everyone has a right to their opinion, but because I am a veteran or even if I wasn’t, do I have the right to come on this board and bash Marines or other branches of the Military. How would it go if every time someone said “Thank you for your Service” someone else criticized that person, branch or the military in general? You guys would be calling that person unpatriotic and calling for a ban. I would bet a person from another country would not be so well received if he were criticizing our military members. Why is it different when someone stands up for the POTUS?

I know I have made some comments about Republicans and Conservatives, but they are generally in response to attacks on Liberals, Democrats or Obama. For every negative comment about a Conservative, there are 1000 aimed Left. That doesn’t make it right, but it is an environment that has been created here. As so many have stated before, this is a MC forum, all the political stuff does is take away the forum. Do we really want to get to the point of this becoming a name calling and bashing forum?

 

[skydivr]

If the Air Force would stop playing volleyball for PT, the Army and Marines would stop picking on them

 

[Warchild]

Yep, Newt for Pres, Mitt for v/p, then I'll be so proud.

You are sooooooooo bad.....

 

[raydog]

Well Robert, I guess I have misjudged you over these years. I now find that your comment "that's what liberals are all about" to be a close minded, narrow, prejudicial and anti-friendly statement. Your post seems hurtful, without regard to our preexisting friendship. If it's so important for you to support Cain that you must accuse me of some wierd diversionary tactic, go for it. My idea of a riding buddies and long term friendships doesn't include this stuff. Have a good life and know that just because someone disagrees with you, they don't necessarily have a hidden agenda. Regards, Doyle

Again the subject was NOT about Lybia and Herman Cain's Response. This is another form of Deflection from the original Subject at Hand. This is what Liberals are about. I call it as I see It !!

If you watch the Video it's clear to me and others that he probably had other things on his Mind.................Perhaps He was overwhelmed by all the Accusations that were Happening at the time.....

 

[skydivr]

Where there's smoke, there's fire. There's something to the claim's on Hermain Cain. If it were me, and I didn't do it, You'd see me on every talk show in the nation daring someone to prove it. He unfortunately didn't. Kinda like what Justin Beiber did when that girl accused him of fathering her child - "I'll take the DNA test TODAY, and I am gonna sue you azz when i comes back negative"...

What's shameful is the Republican's can't find another Reagan (and there's one out there) to look Obama in the face and debate him into the ground.

 

[Rainbow7]

Schexy, most conservatives (myself included) loathe the Kennedys. All of them. Red Ted was the worst of the lot, a prize scumbag.

As for your other points, well, surely you can understand why soldiers/marines consider the AF to be a holiday club?

 

[Schexy1]

If the Air Force would stop playing volleyball for PT, the Army and Marines would stop picking on them

Dang it, all this time I thought it was because we rode the bus to the firing range and called it a day if it was hot, cold, raining, snowing or windy.

 

[KFORCE1]

Well Robert, I guess I have misjudged you over these years. I now find that your comment "that's what liberals are all about" to be a close minded, narrow, prejudicial and anti-friendly statement. Your post seems hurtful, without regard to our preexisting friendship. If it's so important for you to support Cain that you must accuse me of some wierd diversionary tactic, go for it. My idea of a riding buddies and long term friendships doesn't include this stuff. Have a good life and know that just because someone disagrees with you, they don't necessarily have a hidden agenda. Regards, Doyle

Aaahh....politics is never a winning argument or conversation between friends on opposing sides. I say fuhgedaboutit and have a beer summit.

 

[RussellJ]

oh boy.... I personally think every political figure is a scumbag, and they are all fake and not as they seem. Every douche in Washington is out for a monetary agenda. I don't agree with hardly any political figures but I do tend to be conservative. I do, however, hate radicals on both sides and I tend to especially despise what radical liberals do. Example, Occupy Wall Street. I also thought the tea party was pretty stupid, though, just not quite as annoying to watch on TV and for those that live in those cities.



Poking fun at liberals is just about as fun as making fun of Harley guys... get so touchy . If someone bashed my political views, motorcycle, or anything for that matter, I would just not care or blow them away. It's not worth it to care about others' views most of the time.


P.S. and yes the chAir Force does a great job of sitting at their desks and trying to say their training is anywhere near the level of ours

 

[raydog]

Aaahh....politics is never a winning argument or conversation between friends on opposing sides. I say fuhgedaboutit and have a beer summit.

So true, poking fun, allowing one another to be who they are, I'm so easy going it's ridiculous but there is a line (differing for each individual) that I will not cross, if it is crossed on me, I react. We all have it in us, also, I think we all want the same ultimate results for our Country but sometimes we act as though that isn't so.

Dam, all this over a Christmas card!

 

[skydivr]

How would you know what the weather was like inside a hanger?

Seriously, some of those pararescue dudes are tough as nails!

 

[Schexy1]

Every once in a while we would flip on the weather channel, but only during our breaks.

 

[Schexy1]

P.S. and yes the chAir Force does a great job of sitting at their desks and trying to say their training is anywhere near the level of ours

chAir Force, never heard that one.

I don't know who would try to make that comparison, the lack of 15 mile hikes and sleeping in a tent for months at a time is part of the reason to join the AF.

 

[BusaWhipped]

I know I have made some comments about Republicans and Conservatives, but they are generally in response to attacks on Liberals, Democrats or Obama. For every negative comment about a Conservative, there are 1000 aimed Left. That doesn’t make it right, but it is an environment that has been created here. As so many have stated before, this is a MC forum, all the political stuff does is take away the forum. Do we really want to get to the point of this becoming a name calling and bashing forum?

This is why the Captain banned all political discussions on the board before. Hopefully we will be able to keep the conversations civil and respectful so it doesn't happen again. Debate the issues, don't attack the people.

 

[raydog]

Exactly! Except for the Air Force folks that ate their meals with tablecloths and were served by little mamasans while I sat on the ground outside and prepared my meals with a K bar, I'm not bitter.

This is why the Captain banned all political discussions on the board before. Hopefully we will be able to keep the conversations civil and respectful so it doesn't happen again. Debate the issues, don't attack the people.

 

[raydog]

BTW, Robert(Bosshound) and I pm'd and all is well. Doyle