yeah.. it was one of those way rushed mornings. glad to entertainUhhh WWJD. That's "prophet..." Couldn't help this one because it was wayyyy to funny when I read it.
T-Mobile users. you might want to read this
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Well this issue seems to have now hit mainstream media
Associated Press now is covering it..
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050113/D87IT6OG0.html
So I guess for all of you that have contacted T-Mobile and they deny knowing anything about it, tell them to read their fricken news paper and get back to you.
T-Mobile however is now saying only 400 people were accessed and those people were sent letters notifying them.
So maybe you all have nothing to worry about
Smells like damage control…. Doah…..
Associated Press now is covering it..
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20050113/D87IT6OG0.html
So I guess for all of you that have contacted T-Mobile and they deny knowing anything about it, tell them to read their fricken news paper and get back to you.
T-Mobile however is now saying only 400 people were accessed and those people were sent letters notifying them.
So maybe you all have nothing to worry about
Smells like damage control…. Doah…..
What you say makes perfect sense thrasher and I agree partially. It just seems like a self perpetuating nightmare and that crime, at least this type, can actually pay. I guess they can work for us or "them".The problem lies within the fact that hackers have their own self driven mission. They often will spend 18 or more hours a day doing nothing but hacking.Wow! I have a T-Mobile cell phone. I think these pukes should be in prison and not recruited to work for the US government. This just encourages this behavior so you can get a great federal job.
Federally employed computer techs often start out, or eventually fit into the mold of a "9-5" job.
And hackers have nothing else to do but hack for 18 or more hours a day.
While federal employees are often over worked and have other things they have to do such as justify their positions, fill out reports etc etc etc.
So what happens is the hackers become way more efficient at hacking while the government falls behind the power curve and lacks the knowledge to prevent hackers from hacking. In order to prevent a hack, you have to know how to hack.
When it comes to computer hacking, there is a very fine line between the good guys and the bad guys.
So while in an ideal world, hackers should be prosecuted, but often they are offered jobs if they are good enough because in this scenario, the end often justifies the means.
It is not uncommon at all for the government AND might I add corporations to higher hackers.
The government has even had well known hacker groups come before congress at the governments request.
Some hackers hack to help open up security flaws so they can force people to fix them, other hackers hack for personal gain.
Usually the experienced hackers who hack systems to open up security flaws to force company's to fix them are the hackers that "usually" are offered jobs.
But it is not always the case. Hackers some times get sent to prison, sometimes are restricted from using any computers for years as part of their probation.
It all depends on the circumstances, the hackers abilities and the need of the government.
But I would rather have a good hacker be recruited by the government and working for us than to be sent to jail by the government and sit in jail for 5 years planning his / her revenge then get out.
Besides, it is said to keep your friends close and your enemies closer. If the government has a hacker working for them, it is easier to keep tabs on them AND you can utilize their abilities as a resource at the same time.
It’s a war and you have to be smart about it and not let morality get in the way of making the right decision
Good info though...thanks!
Crime shouldn't PAY. It's black and white. No gray area about it. If it gray, then all our so called 'laws' are not enforcable due to hypocracy, and anarchy rules. TOTAL CHAOS!! ...CATS AND DOGS LIVING TOGETHER.... But what do I know, I got an 'F' in high school government [too busy hacking on my TRS-80].
Again, this is part of how computers are destroying life as we know it [read my previous post]
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Dear Ks,
Thank you for taking the time to contact T-Mobile.
We apologize for any inconvenience of having to contact us about this issue.
We understand your concern and take your privacy and security very seriously. T-Mobile is fully aware of the situation, has closed the breach in security, and has taken preventative measures to ensure that all customer information remains secure. No financial information (credit card information) was accessed. Although T-Mobile did not communicate the incident to the general public, T-Mobile did contact those customers who may have been affected. T-Mobile notified all affected customers in writing in early 2004.
T-Mobile USA, Inc.
Carla
Customer Service Specialist
Thank you for taking the time to contact T-Mobile.
We apologize for any inconvenience of having to contact us about this issue.
We understand your concern and take your privacy and security very seriously. T-Mobile is fully aware of the situation, has closed the breach in security, and has taken preventative measures to ensure that all customer information remains secure. No financial information (credit card information) was accessed. Although T-Mobile did not communicate the incident to the general public, T-Mobile did contact those customers who may have been affected. T-Mobile notified all affected customers in writing in early 2004.
T-Mobile USA, Inc.
Carla
Customer Service Specialist
Nice! So we wanted to be able to get away with this without having to sacrifice any of our stocks value, or our customers confidence, by letting everyone know about the problem is what T-Mobile is saying. Loosers.
Thanks KS for posting the reply.
Let me however from the computer geek side of things express my concern with their reply and what they are releasing to the public under pressure.
First they have stated to more recent reporter inquiry’s that “they are aware of it†kind of in away leading people to believe they discovered it themselves when the truth is that if the Secret Service did not stumble on to it they would have either never known or probably not have know for a long time.
First reports seem to indicate it was almost an entire year of access while they are trying to minimize it to a few months.
If they never caught the person themselves and the person had access for even just 7 months without anyone knowing it and monitoring, how can anyone give numbers as to how many people’s accounts were compromised?
It is easy to say that only 400 people were compromised and they were notified when for one there is no way to verify their claim, and 400 people might be all they could find in audit logs, if there are even ANY audit logs. And even if there are audit logs I think it would be difficult to check audit logs and determine ONLY 400 counts were compromised. You might be able to say “MINIMUM†of 400 accounts were compromised but I don’t think you could come up with a maximum number of compromised accounts.
As I said before. I think T-Mobile is in damage control mode and I don’t think anyone but the hacker knows for sure how many accounts he compromised.
Just my .02
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