Russia and Ukraine
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Bumblebee
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A war wouldn't be practical as it would end in a nuclear solution especially if a country ended up on the ropes....
I've seen elements of these forces (China and Russia) at work and they are not to be trifled with either...especially if they band together, they have a lot of military hardware and troops.
If any country tried to invade China or Russia, it wouldn't be pretty for the invaders. Just the logistics' of supporting a battle group going into an invasion would be staggering nd vice-versa for an invasion of North America...the sheer vastness of these areas swallow up troops and resources like nobody's business.
Well, being a liberal who believes in the fundamental equality of all, I would have to go with one of each!Russia...or Ukrainian women
Rubberrabbit
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Your impression does not deceive you! You're not too old either. You see it as it really is. I'm "only" 40 years old, but today I always say that I was born at the wrong time. I would have liked to have grown up in the 70's and experienced and enjoyed life in the 80's and 90's. The freedom, the freedom of expression, the peace... just being able to enjoy life as you want.
That would be priceless! When I alone see what has changed in the last 5 years, and not for the best! When I think back to when I was a little kid, what the 80s and 90s were like as a kid and now I look at what's going on in the EU and Germany?!
Yes, we too have always been told "don't go to the USA! Capitalism in its final stages, poverty, slums, super-rich in their closed off areas with their own schools, streets and cities" And now? We have the same thing in Germany too. In addition, there is the fact that there is a dictatorship of attitudes and opinions. 10% of the people here own 70% of the entire capital of the Germans. Cities are decaying, roads are getting worse and worse, the infrastructure in Russia is no worse! We are dismantling our own industry, society is lost in superficiality, the prohibitions are becoming more and more massive. Pressure to perform without a worthwhile goal, stupid television and uncomfortable truths are silenced. I often don't recognize my own country.
That's exactly why I always say, even if I could find all of that in the USA or Canada...at least I would have a nice country there, more freedom and not this typical German dullness. But it wasn't always like it is today! I cand truely understand, why its a highlight for your family to visit you!
Bumblebee
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For certain, there'd be no clear winner and if the big players got involved the spool up to a global war would happen pretty quickly.
Only the west would be using the Geneva Convention and Code of War Fighting....the opponent would be using everything in their arsenal including NBCW.
No winners..
TallTom
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So here is why he wanted to pull out of NATO.
US Sends More Military Equipment to Ukraine
Latest deliveries to arrive today as DOD searches its inventory for more to send.
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Why Germany refuses weapons deliveries to Ukraine – DW – 01/19/2022
Germany has declined to join allies such as the US and UK in shipping weapons to Ukraine. The country faces an unpredictable buildup of Russian troops on its borders — and there is precedent for armed aggression.
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If we were not a member of NATO we'd still be sending in supplies.
And we wouldn't have deal with infighting amongst it's members.
Why should we pay into this!
We're going to be there regardless.
Almost all NATO members buy US weapons. They support the MIC so that's the benefit. The money we spend on NATO is essentially an indirect payment to our MIC. Realize Ukraine is not a NATO member, so this is the US sticking its nose in stuff as usual. What really chaps me is that Europe is really who is threatened by Russian aggression, they should be protecting Europe.So here is why he wanted to pull out of NATO.
US Sends More Military Equipment to Ukraine
Latest deliveries to arrive today as DOD searches its inventory for more to send.
Weiterleitungshinweis
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Why Germany refuses weapons deliveries to Ukraine – DW – 01/19/2022
Germany has declined to join allies such as the US and UK in shipping weapons to Ukraine. The country faces an unpredictable buildup of Russian troops on its borders — and there is precedent for armed aggression.
If we were not a member of NATO we'd still be sending in supplies.
And we wouldn't have deal with infighting amongst it's members.
Why should we pay into this!
We're going to be there regardless.
I love my lefties but they don't seem to realize people are so much more willing to be reasonable and diplomatic when they are looking up the barrel of a bigger gun.
Bumblebee
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A united front is much stronger than standing alone....if the US (who is the largest contributor) were to leave NATO, the organization would collapse...the "so what" of this is not only would the US be on it's own and most likely be denied land use in other countries so it can set up forward support bases but it would leave the weaker countries (like Canada) vulnerable to outside influences...So here is why he wanted to pull out of NATO.
US Sends More Military Equipment to Ukraine
Latest deliveries to arrive today as DOD searches its inventory for more to send.
Weiterleitungshinweis
www.google.com
Why Germany refuses weapons deliveries to Ukraine – DW – 01/19/2022
Germany has declined to join allies such as the US and UK in shipping weapons to Ukraine. The country faces an unpredictable buildup of Russian troops on its borders — and there is precedent for armed aggression.
If we were not a member of NATO we'd still be sending in supplies.
And we wouldn't have deal with infighting amongst it's members.
Why should we pay into this!
We're going to be there regardless.
Those vulnerabilities can be exploited and put enemies of the US right in their back yard.
It would all depend on who is in charge of the US whether it sends in supplies....
Failed and enemy states don't want to face NATO and not only because the US is part of it, NATO exhumes unity....
Agreed. Also, it creates very reliable trade partners who are linked by more than economies. When you look at it, it's always been about trade routes, resources, etc.
Putin is an outlaw, but he is not stupid. I think he is looking at the US as a bit unstable. If a guy like Trump can get in there what's to say an equally irrational anti-Russia guy could get in control of our military? That's why he is pushing the NATO issue so hard now. He figures with the divisions in the US it's his best shot to get the security changes he wants made. If the shooting starts, no doubt Trump will make it as hard as possible for Biden to fight it domestically.
Bumblebee
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I'm watching the NATO escalation of force unfold....they will paint Putin into a corner and then he will have no choice but to invade to save face in front of his people...
If NATO leadership were smart, they would have quietly positioned people in key areas and observe what was going on instead of drawing a line in the sand by bolstering up the Ukraine....
Imagine what will happen when the first (made in Canada/US/UK, wherever) weapon system is used to engage the Russians....Russia will engage the highest threat which will be the NATO troops..WW3 follows that.
Hopefully Russia shows a little common sense and realizes this is the case and stands down...
If NATO leadership were smart, they would have quietly positioned people in key areas and observe what was going on instead of drawing a line in the sand by bolstering up the Ukraine....
Imagine what will happen when the first (made in Canada/US/UK, wherever) weapon system is used to engage the Russians....Russia will engage the highest threat which will be the NATO troops..WW3 follows that.
Hopefully Russia shows a little common sense and realizes this is the case and stands down...
mark3evo
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if it was North Korea leader he would not stand down, funny how over the weekend China send over 39 jet fighters into Taiwan airspace.. 2 wars on 2 fronts
Not that I know about these things, but that is what I was thinking.
And with China, N Korea, another WW is a real threat.
Bumblebee
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The scenario is a perfect storm for a global conflict....the build up is happening..
And distrust between the East and West is going back towards the Cold War era
Bumblebee
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In today's clime of rapid social media and public media, Russia doesn't even need to gather intel the old fashioned way....seeing headlines like this is never good as Russia knows talks at a table mean nothing. They call it paper diplomacy.....it looks good on paper but in reality it's not worth the ink it's written with..Russia knows this.
If Russia does indeed attack Ukraine, any and all action by NATO to get in their way could result in a declaration of war against NATO and it's allies...
If Russia does indeed attack Ukraine, any and all action by NATO to get in their way could result in a declaration of war against NATO and it's allies...
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mark3evo
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Germany are a disgrace, basically they do not want to upset Putin as they want Russian gas and still want to trade.
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Bumblebee
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Russia and Germany....there's a cliché........I don't blame Germany one bit for not wanting to get too invested...
The rest of the world may very well pay for the NATO investment in that area......if they aren't very careful that is. NATO seems to want to poke the bear just to see it's reaction...
The rest of the world may very well pay for the NATO investment in that area......if they aren't very careful that is. NATO seems to want to poke the bear just to see it's reaction...
TallTom
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I'm pretty sure paragraph two has happened. It always has happened. Now what Biden will do with the info is entirely unknown.
Bumblebee
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Biden and NATO...hopefully they use it wisely...
There have been NATO boots on the ground in the Ukraine for years now.
I'm no big fan of "Mother Russia" but know they aren't to be trifled with. All this NATO build up will put pressure on Putin to react.....either in our favor or otherwise.
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