Russia and Ukraine

[Red05]

These conversations are surreal in the amount of disinformation used.

Hi. I think that if we look we will fine that Biden was connected to the KKK. I am not saying that he was a member.

Thanks for proving my point

[jellyrug]

There will be a peace deal soon, all sides know it, but the Europeans and the ukraine will not be involved other than being told what to do. Russia will emerge with a large slice of the former ukraine, which was actually a part of Russia back before perestroika anyway. It will be good to put this farce in the garbage can of history.

Not that I agree with everything you say, I have been told that this view is disturbing to at least two members here.

Zelenskyy, with some liberal input knew exactly what he was doing when he met with Trump and JD. In this chess game, both Trump and JD anticipated his plan and totally outsmarted him. He lost this one.

One needs a little more than average grey matter and know a little about chess, to understand what happened. Those who criticize Trump and JD, lack both.

[Red05]

One needs a little more than average grey matter and know a little about chess, to understand what happened. Those who criticize Trump and JD, lack both.

All I can say is LOL. Zelenskyy has very little bargaining power and Trump’s biggest strength is probably taking candy from a baby.
You should have gone with your plan not to post in the political section any more.

[jellyrug]

All I can say is LOL. Zelenskyy has very little bargaining power and Trump’s biggest strength is probably taking candy from a baby.
You should have gone with your plan not to post in the political section any more.

Sometimes, one has to be humble. Something you and Zelenskyy with your arrogance and disrespect for the office will never understand.
FAFO

[michael parris heuberger]

Thanks for proving my point

Hi. Well you just proved my poiny. You are either closed minded or you do not look anything up. He called robert byrd the grand wizard of the kkk a friend and mentor. If that is not connected what is.

[Red05]

Sometimes, one has to be humble. Something you and Zelenskyy with your arrogance and disrespect for the office will never understand.
FAFO

You have zero idea of my level of respect and amount of reverence for the office of President of the United States.
I wish Trump had half as much as I.
If FAFO is the best you have, you have my condolences and pity.

[Duro5341]

How about some proof of Zelenskyy’s neo nazi affiliation?

Opinion | Ukraine's Nazi problem is real, even if Putin's 'denazification' claim isn't

Zelensky replaces general at the behest of the neo-Nazi Azov Battalion

Azov Brigade - Wikipedia

Enjoy your reading...........................

Cameron

[Duro5341]

Because the Ukrainian constitution prohibits elections during war... Kinda like the same laws that applied in GB during WW2. With 1/3rd of the country occupied by Russia its kinda strange to arrange elections isn't it?

Why hasn’t Ukraine held elections since the war began?

Donald Trump has increased his attacks on Volodymyr Zelenskyy, calling the Ukrainian president ‘a dictator’ – but why have elections been postponed?

www.theguardian.com

Care to explain WHY Zelensky has jailed and imprisoned his political opponents??????
Seems very authoritarian and totalitarian to me.

This is even taken from a socialist news report.............so far from right wing.
Ideological opponents of the Ukrainian government are waiting for prison or death

Cameron

[Duro5341]

Hi. Well you just proved my poiny. You are either closed minded or you do not look anything up. He called robert byrd the grand wizard of the kkk a friend and mentor. If that is not connected what is.

It's OK, I know those story as well...........................Sadly there are a lot of Liberals and Democrats with short memories on this forum.
A lot of what's happening today could have been predicted 2 years ago, but they blindly believe the noisy TV box and mainstream media.

It's OK, I'll set you straight..................It's Trump bad, Putin bad, Biden Good, Obama Amazing, Hilary Legendary. Hunter Biden Innocent, Soros a hero, and don't even question the 2020 election, remember dead people can vote and collect welfare for years after their dead.

Cameron

[michael parris heuberger]

It's OK, I know those story as well...........................Sadly there are a lot of Liberals and Democrats with short memories on this forum.
A lot of what's happening today could have been predicted 2 years ago, but they blindly believe the noisy TV box and mainstream media.

It's OK, I'll set you straight..................It's Trump bad, Putin bad, Biden Good, Obama Amazing, Hilary Legendary. Hunter Biden Innocent, Soros a hero, and don't even question the 2020 election, remember dead people can vote and collect welfare for years after their dead.

Cameron

Hi. You see the people in the USA many people are in very good health the are over 125 yrs. One is over 300 yrs.

[jellyrug]

You have zero idea of my level of respect and amount of reverence for the office of President of the United States.
I wish Trump had half as much as I.
If FAFO is the best you have, you have my condolences and pity.

Interesting.
Your first and second sentences completely contradict each other.

There is no point in trying to have a logical common sense discussion with an emotional thinker.

Emotional thinkers with morals are normally really good people, a concept I tried to explain to you before, which you don’t grasp. All you offer is denial.

When someone is given billions of Dollars and they display entitlement, arrogance and disrespect on national TV, we end up though with an emotional thinker with bad values. A bad person.

Someone you seem to support.

[Red05]

Your first and second sentences completely contradict each other.

That shows me how narrow minded you are. You think a man makes the position worthy of respect? It's not. It's the responsibility and significance of the position that makes it worthy, not the man filling it.

There is no point in trying to have a logical common sense discussion with an emotional thinker. Emotional people with morals are normally really good people

Your old go to. BS critical vs emotional thinker and again mentioning your favorite, common sense. I could give a rat's butt what you think of my morals as clearly you have zero clue about who I am. Your powers of debate; if they were ever any good, certainly aren't now. You always go to personal attack, and when called on it, try to turn the tables. It's stuff that an 8 year old does and I'm 98% sure you're older than that.

Yes, I dislike Trump and I'm outspoken about it. I've said several times that I like the financial audit of the government agencies, just not the way it's being carried out. I don't jump on you for defending him or his antics. I stick to the specific reasons I don't like or respect him regardless of his position. If was trying to defend him, I would probably have to wander from my usual way of communicating as well so in a way, I understand.

[jellyrug]

That shows me how narrow minded you are. You think a man makes the position worthy of respect? It's not. It's the responsibility and significance of the position that makes it worthy, not the man filling it.

Your old go to. BS critical vs emotional thinker and again mentioning your favorite, common sense. I could give a rat's butt what you think of my morals as clearly you have zero clue about who I am. Your powers of debate; if they were ever any good, certainly aren't now. You always go to personal attack, and when called on it, try to turn the tables. It's stuff that an 8 year old does and I'm 98% sure you're older than that.

Yes, I dislike Trump and I'm outspoken about it. I don't jump on you for defending him. I stick to the specific reasons I don't like or respect him regardless of his position. If was trying to defend him, I would probably have to wander from my usual way of communicating as well so in a way, I understand.

On the subject of emotional versus logical thinking, I have a favor to ask.

You as a liberal, give me a rational answer, with explanations which make sense, whether all Democrats, each and every one, who voted for biological males competing against women, in sports where being athletically prudent counts, is emotional thinking, or logical thinking?

If you can't answer that, i would appreciate it if you stop accusing me of having no filter and stop wasting my time.

[Red05]

You as a liberal, give me a rational answer, with explanations which make sense, whether all Democrats, each and every one, who voted for biological males competing against women, in sports where being athletically prudent counts, is emotional thinking, or logical thinking?

I have stated several times that I don't think biological males should be allowed to compete with women in sports. That is my adamant opinion. As to whether it is emotional or logical thinking, I feel that it is a wrong conclusion regardless of how it is reached. Every person has their own thought patterns and ways of working things out in their head, so it could be either, though I lean towards emotional.

As far as wasting your time, how about you do the same and quit with the liberal/conservative labels as if everyone fits neatly into either spot.
For the record, I didn't "accuse" you of having no filter, it was simply an observation as I don't have one either. I don't regard it automatically as a bad trait, but I'd say that's the reason this conversation has become heated. Thank goodness we're not in the same room and for that, I thank Cap.

[jellyrug]

I have stated several times that I don't think biological males should be allowed to compete with women in sports. That is my adamant opinion. As to whether it is emotional or logical thinking, I feel that it is a wrong conclusion regardless of how it is reached. Every person has their own thought patterns and ways of working things out in their head, so it could be either, though I lean towards emotional.

As far as wasting your time, how about you do the same and quit with the liberal/conservative labels as if everyone fits neatly into either spot.
For the record, I didn't "accuse" you of having no filter, it was simply an observation as I don't have one either. I don't regard it automatically as a bad trait, but I'd say that's the reason this conversation has become heated. Thank goodness we're not in the same room and for that, I thank Cap.

OK, that was a good answer.

Please do a little more research on emotional thinking and logical thinking, there is an absolute place for both in society, and one is not better than the other. The two ways of thinking is why you and I often have totally different opinions. I'm working on my filter BTW.

[Red05]

I took a lot of psyche classes in college as I was prepping for an Administration of Justice degree. I realize most people are one on one side or another as far as emotional or logical thinking, but also remember there are endless minute differences that make each one of us distinct. It’s more of a spectrum than a one or zero thing.
One more time on the filter: own it. It’s not necessarily bad. Here in the Ozarks, filters can be so overwhelming it appears rude to yours truly. I would much rather skip to the chase, as the saying goes.

[voodoodoo]

Care to explain WHY Zelensky has jailed and imprisoned his political opponents??????
Seems very authoritarian and totalitarian to me.

This is even taken from a socialist news report.............so far from right wing.
Ideological opponents of the Ukrainian government are waiting for prison or dea

Care to explain WHY Zelensky has jailed and imprisoned his political opponents??????
Seems very authoritarian and totalitarian to me.

This is even taken from a socialist news report.............so far from right wing.
Ideological opponents of the Ukrainian government are waiting for prison or death

Cameron

Well, i could but do you accept my last answer or is the truth to inconvenient since you just move over to next subject?

But i will try.
The "political" arrests in UKR of individuals tightly connected to Kreml&the conflict in Donbas a consequence of martial laws during wartime. There is no nation ever in a state of war that that have allowed open political oposition.
Just look at the US history how there were several arrests during the vietnam war. This is normal(i'm not stating that it is ideal)

[voodoodoo]

Since i have some of my family ties in Russia i will try to share som of my knowledge from a "neutral" ground. I have been in both russia and ukraine several times from early 90's until my last visit back in 2008.
I am not left wing nor am i a far right guy .
The war in Ukr is way more complex than Hunter bidens laptop and all that utter crap floating around on the internet. Its an old conflict of strategic buffers between the east and the west, a large Russian population from the Soviet era(as in Poland, The baltics etc,) not beeing given the influence they should and beeing treated as second grade citizens, Russian influence over ukr goverment fading etc..
After the collaps of the USSR there have been several agreements&treaties signed between russia and ukr. the most significant ones are
the budapest memorandum 1994
treaty on friendship 1997
kerch agreement 2003
minsk 1 2014
minsk 2 2015
the fact is that russia has broken them all.

BUT!.
Russia has been crystal clear all the way that they will not accept Nato on its borders and somehow the west, EUrope&Usa did not take it seriously. The expansion eastwards should have been stopped after the inclusion of the baltics in 2004. The inclusion of the Baltics became the starting point of a much "harder" politic by russia to secure a buffer against Nato.

This does not justify the Russian invasion, and the "denazification" argument is so completely stupid that i have no words to those who still use it as an argument.. An operation lead by a group of mercenaries named after Hitler's favourite composer with leaders tatooed with swastika's says it all..

I welcome the comitment Trump has to make peace in Ukraine altough i hope its a part of the sollution to a much bigger issue.
The west need to prepare for a conflict with China and for that we need Russia on our side, in the big "game". In that game of chess Ukraine is(and i am sorry to say it) an expendable piece.

If that is not the plan then DT is by far the worst leader you have ever elected

When it comes to the US demanding EU to step up and secure its on turf i'd say.. Its about time, the total lack of goverment funding of the armies in europe had to end at some point.

[Red05]

Since i have some of my family ties in Russia i will try to share som of my knowledge from a "neutral" ground. I have been in both russia and ukraine several times from early 90's until my last visit back in 2008.
I am not left wing nor am i a far right guy .
The war in Ukr is way more complex than Hunter bidens laptop and all that utter crap floating around on the internet. Its an old conflict of strategic buffers between the east and the west, a large Russian population from the Soviet era(as in Poland, The baltics etc,) not beeing given the influence they should and beeing treated as second grade citizens, Russian influence over ukr goverment fading etc..
After the collaps of the USSR there have been several agreements&treaties signed between russia and ukr. the most significant ones are
the budapest memorandum 1994
treaty on friendship 1997
kerch agreement 2003
minsk 1 2014
minsk 2 2015
the fact is that russia has broken them all.

BUT!.
Russia has been crystal clear all the way that they will not accept Nato on its borders and somehow the west, EUrope&Usa did not take it seriously. The expansion eastwards should have been stopped after the inclusion of the baltics in 2004. The inclusion of the Baltics became the starting point of a much "harder" politic by russia to secure a buffer against Nato.

This does not justify the Russian invasion, and the "denazification" argument is so completely stupid that i have no words to those who still use it as an argument.. An operation lead by a group of mercenaries named after Hitler's favourite composer with leaders tatooed with swastika's says it all..

I welcome the comitment Trump has to make peace in Ukraine altough i hope its a part of the sollution to a much bigger issue.
The west need to prepare for a conflict with China and for that we need Russia on our side, in the big "game". In that game of chess Ukraine is(and i am sorry to say it) an expendable piece.

If that is not the plan then DT is by far the worst leader you have ever elected

When it comes to the US demanding EU to step up and secure its on turf i'd say.. Its about time, the total lack of goverment funding of the armies in europe had to end at some point.

A very commendable post although I don't believe saying an entire nation is expendable is acceptable. It's a truly complicated issue wrapped around Russia's insistence of not having a NATO country on it's borders. I would rather we be closer to good relations with China than Russia, but professor Trump has gone in a different direction.

[Duro5341]

Well, i could but do you accept my last answer or is the truth to inconvenient since you just move over to next subject?

But i will try.
The "political" arrests in UKR of individuals tightly connected to Kreml&the conflict in Donbas a consequence of martial laws during wartime. There is no nation ever in a state of war that that have allowed open political oposition.
Just look at the US history how there were several arrests during the vietnam war. This is normal(i'm not stating that it is ideal)

During WW1, WW2, Vietnam and all the other major wars the US was involved in, citizens and parties have often and regularly voiced their opposition to the war itself, and other issues being raised by citizens. The only arrests were during Riots and other illegal acts of protest within the USA.................The same laws would have applied to them during peace time as well. Soldiers who ran to avoid the draft were arrested as well, but this would be during ANYTIME a draft was called, and is a civil duty written into their federal laws.

Like it or not Zelinsky and Putin have A LOT in common, and YES the US pushed for this war under Biden and Harris, same as they did during the Carter Administration. The US want's Putin out of power, as he will NOT bend the knee to the US. That being said, it is NOT the american people's job to endlessly support this war now that the administration that caused it is gone......................Go after Biden, Harris, Obama, and Clinton to fund it.

The minute Zelinsky Aligned himself with well known Neo-Nazi militia, he lost any and all moral support.....................and he will eventually figure out that negotiations is the ONLY way to end the killing, it's just a matter of how many will be killed before he accepts it. Right now his mouth is writing cheques his butt can't afford, and it will be his citizens who pay the price...................................If he believes in democracy, he will let his citizens have their say, but just like Putin this tyrant doesn't want to let go of the power he has now.

Your right Putin made is very clear he doesn't want Nato on his borders.................I can't blame him either, but now Ukraine can deal with the mess they have created, as Trump and the US will NOT bank roll it any longer, nor should they.

Cameron