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[TallTom]

Not vote for whom? The politician?

If they were smart, these celebrities and others should remain neutral.......if we look at this logically.......if a celebrity endorses a democratic nominee, people who are hard core republicans would automatically either boycott that celebrity or make them lose fans and vice versa.....
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Not that I listen to her music but when Taylor Swift endorsed Harris, there were lots of people on line that said they won't follow her music anymore because of this........and this is but one example.....
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With a guy like Musk who is trying to promote and sell EV, as soon as he threw in his hand with Trump, he automatically lost half of his supporters just because many of them are vindictive......then he went into a very unpopular role in Doge where hundreds of thousands of people either lost their jobs or benefits and this further damaged his brand....

and then the salute......it has been pointed out through pictures that others have done this but his salute along with his support of far right groups especially in Germany where they are uber-sensitive to these things has very much hurt him.......

Europeans suffered horribly during the times when this salute was popular amongst fascists so it can be reasoned as to why they are so pissed off right now.....

He has done irreversible damage to his brand..........perhaps if he got the heck out of the political ring now and started to focus on his companies, he might recover some respect.....the rescue of the astronauts might help a little for Americans but it won't phase the Europeans....

You used the key phrase. Vindictive. Not one thing changed about Tesla vehicles being their chosen green solution. The only part that changed their attitude about solving an environmental problem was the need to be vindictive.

That sums things up about the state of politics.

All of these Teslas being torched are serving no productive purpose. They are all insured against loss. You just put $$ in the pockets of Musk. He gets insurance proceeds to replace vehicles, he couldn't sell. Just brilliant vindication!

[TallTom]

.......and it appears that NASA has completely failed and thus needs to be replaced.......and right now.....when the day comes that they are unable to do their job, they need to go.

I wouldn't think that SpaceX would be a bad choice for this replacement but Musk HAS to get out of politics beforehand if for nothing else-optics.....it's not a good thing to have a person who profits off the American tax payer able to manipulate governing bodies.

Even now he and his companies have several government contracts and is basically in a conflict of interest predicament by being able to see his competitor information.

NASA, USAID, FEMA, the list is long. I was a civilian contractor for NASA on the Shuttle Program. Also for FEMA. They need to be overhauled or eliminated. What DOGE is doing is long overdue. When I left the Shuttle program, my company and others openly stated to NASA, the only way we can afford space, is to commercialize it. Musk has single handedly become our space program. Everyone said he was a fool in his approach.

The bastid!

[Bumblebee]

You used the key phrase. Vindictive. Not one thing changed about Tesla vehicles being their chosen green solution. The only part that changed their attitude about solving an environmental problem was the need to be vindictive.

That sums things up about the state of politics.

All of these Teslas being torched are serving no productive purpose. They are all insured against loss. You just put $$ in the pockets of Musk. He gets insurance proceeds to replace vehicles, he couldn't sell. Just brilliant vindication!

People who lost their jobs or benefits are pissed off right now and are lashing out, to them destroying the Tesla brand is the only way they can show their extreme displeasure.......and there has been no poll conducted to say who owns Teslas......and what political alignment they follow.

Before Musk jumped into the ring, people on both sides were in support of his ventures.....now people on both sides are pissed off.

This anger is world wide at the moment.....Teslas are being burnt and vandalized all over the world......
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From the few people I know in my own inner circle who own Tesla (or any other EV) none of them bought them for environmental reasons but more for "techie" reasons much like people who just have to have the latest cell phone or other such tech devices.

Three people I know who have Teslas are like myself neutral-right, from what I know they don't like our liberal government......at all.......but like tech stuff........they wanted to buy American so bought Tesla......
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In some strange way I kind of feel sorry for Musk......I know he's a man and should have said no to getting into politics but I truly think he didn't know what he was getting into......

[Bumblebee]

NASA, USAID, FEMA, the list is long. I was a civilian contractor for NASA on the Shuttle Program. Also for FEMA. They need to be overhauled or eliminated. What DOGE is doing is long overdue. When I left the Shuttle program, my company and others openly stated to NASA, the only way we can afford space, is to commercialize it. Musk has single handedly become our space program. Everyone said he was a fool in his approach.

The bastid!

Some of these programs are good and did need to be overhauled and reevaluated.......perhaps not eliminated in their entirety....Doge is a good thing but it should have been set up better.......the 'hack and slash" approach is hugely unpopular and devastating..........people are being thrown away like trash and this isn't a good thing. I had a discussion with my economist friend and he agreed that perhaps a formed Doge consisting of elected representatives from both sides of the aisle could have been formed to go through all departments to see where the best way to streamline and make them more economical would have been a better approach....

The optics of the current Doge are horrible and obviously not well received by many people. There are people on both sides of the political spectrum who have been thrown out on their ears...these people have mortgages, families and are now out in the cold.......these employees although paid by the government were not all investing in off-shore accounts somewhere....their wages were going back into the economy.

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NASA hasn't done anything good for decades...the space shuttle debacle was bordering on criminal and the loss of those astronauts was unforgiveable.

Have Musk get out of politics and have his company take over the space program......but have a strict leash on it so it doesn't balloon like NASA did.
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[TallTom]

consisting of elected representatives from both sides of the aisle

The problem with that plan is ^^^^^

That's what got us into this mess already. As ll they will do is bicker and fight and call in political favors.

[TallTom]

In some strange way I kind of feel sorry for Musk......I know he's a man and should have said no to getting into politics but I truly think he didn't know what he was getting into......

I don't. Musk didn't leave the Liberal party, they left him. He knew why he left and what needs to be fixed.

[Blanca BusaLess]

If 'she' had won and he was still supporting the 'D's they would be fine with everything he's doing.

In fact let me demonstrate how it is only because things are 'D'ifferent that the leftists effin whackos have their panties wadded....

THEY were fine with it then.

[Blanca BusaLess]

You literally cannot make this poop up.

[Blanca BusaLess]

The left cheered him then. What changed? Oh yeah...

"
"In 2022, Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, set a world record for the largest charitable donation by a car company owner, contributing an astounding $5.7 billion to various global causes.
This massive philanthropic gesture, filed through a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) disclosure, marked a pivotal moment in tech industry philanthropy, surpassing donations from other billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Musk’s donation focused on causes such as sustainability, education, and healthcare, aligning with his broader commitment to tackling pressing global challenges.
As a leading tech philanthropist, Musk’s generosity underscores his vision of using wealth from electric vehicles and space exploration to create lasting positive change"

[Bumblebee]

I don't. Musk didn't leave the Liberal party, they left him. He knew why he left and what needs to be fixed.

He should have never been in any party to begin with.....

[Bumblebee]

The problem with that plan is ^^^^^

That's what got us into this mess already. As ll they will do is bicker and fight and call in political favors.

I don't know, this plan isn't working too well either.....

[Bumblebee]

The left cheered him then. What changed? Oh yeah...

"
"In 2022, Elon Musk, the CEO of Tesla and SpaceX, set a world record for the largest charitable donation by a car company owner, contributing an astounding $5.7 billion to various global causes.
This massive philanthropic gesture, filed through a U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) disclosure, marked a pivotal moment in tech industry philanthropy, surpassing donations from other billionaires like Bill Gates and Warren Buffett. Musk’s donation focused on causes such as sustainability, education, and healthcare, aligning with his broader commitment to tackling pressing global challenges.
As a leading tech philanthropist, Musk’s generosity underscores his vision of using wealth from electric vehicles and space exploration to create lasting positive change"

Exactly my point........celebrities and people like Musk should have the good, common sense to steer as far away from politics as they humanly can......

This conversation would never be happening if they did.

[Bumblebee]

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If 'she' had won and he was still supporting the 'D's they would be fine with everything he's doing.

In fact let me demonstrate how it is only because things are 'D'ifferent that the leftists effin whackos have their panties wadded....

THEY were fine with it then.

I would say there was a nice, fat price tag attached to this rescue too....

One thing doesn't negate the other........people are pissed off the world over.....and it isn't only left wing aligned people either.....there were lots of right wing aligned people who lost their jobs and will lose a lot more before this is all over......they are pissed off too...

[TallTom]

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To put an exclamation point on it, Musk offered to rescue them during the Biden administration, and was rejected.

[TallTom]

I would say there was a nice, fat price tag attached to this rescue too....

One thing doesn't negate the other........people are pissed off the world over.....and it isn't only left wing aligned people either.....there were lots of right wing aligned people who lost their jobs and will lose a lot more before this is all over......they are pissed off too...

People that choose to work on govt funded programs sign a statement that makes it clear if funding cuts happen, they could lose their jobs. In exchange for that uncertainty employment climate, they get good benefits and an early retirement.

[Red05]

People that choose to work on govt funded programs sign a statement that makes it clear if funding cuts happen

My son, that works for the postal service, doesn't remember any such document. Everybody that has a job understands that if the company or service doesn't stay solvent, they can lose their job.

[Bumblebee]

People that choose to work on govt funded programs sign a statement that makes it clear if funding cuts happen, they could lose their jobs. In exchange for that uncertainty employment climate, they get good benefits and an early retirement.

Are your public servants in unions there?

Ours are and they generally have job security.................we also go through reductions but they try to target people close to retirement and offer them a package, normally they get quite a few who will take the package and go.

I could only imagine what would happen if a sweeping elimination of an entire government department would look like here........
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Now in saying this, my wife worked for the provincial government in a medical capacity and her office was going through cut backs........she was given 30 days notice and when the last day came, security watched her pack up her office and escorted her to her car.......it wasn't a pleasant experience.....we survived, my wife went into a depression as somehow even knowing it was a reduction, she felt she did something wrong.

I would wager this sort of thing is happening all across the US right now.......and democrat or republican would be united in this......and as equally as angry.......

[Blanca BusaLess]

I would say there was a nice, fat price tag attached to this rescue too....

One thing doesn't negate the other........people are pissed off the world over.....and it isn't only left wing aligned people either.....there were lots of right wing aligned people who lost their jobs and will lose a lot more before this is all over......they are pissed off too...

Elon is responsible for the single largest contribution to good cause in the world. He gave over $1 billion to charity and good causes. All cheered by the left then. He doesn't have to do this. He has lost a TON of his net worth. He's doing this for free and is still showing up every day.
WHAT does that tell? He genuinely believes in the cause. There is no other elites willing to lose literally billions to take this kind of abuse.

Allow me to once again demonstrate we are dealing with brain dead leftist anarchists who will never be happy no matter what...

They are just absolute evil people who would rather see this country turned into what Gaza looks like instead of helping him and us succeed.

[Bumblebee]

To put an exclamation point on it, Musk offered to rescue them during the Biden administration, and was rejected.

Wasn't NASA trying to work on something?

Seeing as NASA has been the governmental "go to" for decades, wouldn't they be the primary for this? To me this would be like asking a private security company to provide security for the president.....the private company probably would be great but there are contracts in place for the secret service.

However, now that we've seen how inept NASA is, perhaps it's time to privatize space travel altogether.......

[Bumblebee]

Elon is responsible for the single largest contribution to good cause in the world. He gave over $1 billion to charity and good causes. All cheered by the left then. He doesn't have to do this. He has lost a TON of his net worth. He's doing this for free and is still showing up every day.
WHAT does that tell? He genuinely believes in the cause. There is no other elites willing to lose literally billions to take this kind of abuse.

Allow me to once again demonstrate we are dealing with brain dead leftist anarchists who will never be happy no matter what...
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They are just absolute evil people who would rather see this country turned into what Gaza looks like instead of helping him and us succeed.

There is absolutely no evidence that these attacks are being carried out by only democrat aligned people.......

Bad people are doing this and bad people can either be democrat or republican.....people are pissed off....and that's a hard fact right there.....and these people are all over the world from all walks of life and political alignments.....

Yes, Musk should have just kept to what he was doing instead of what he is now doing.....