Dyno tune will help, but dropping the PCV and having it ECU tuned will even be better.
Sorry, but I do not agree at all. A powercommander custom mapped by the right person will ALWAYS generate a better FUEL map than Ecu Editor ever could. It is more about the software than anything else . . . but I would still strongly recommend some Ecu Editor "tweaking" along with the pc custom map. I've said this time and time again. DO3 - please, no disrespect, but have you ever actually tuned anything? I seem to be the only tuner on this board that ever comments about this, and IMO, any opinion should actually be based on some kind of experience, don't you think? I respect all opinions and the people behind them, but again, there should be some basis for that opinion . . .
so your saying you should run a pc with a tune on top of a ecu tune?... i have experience tuning as we were taught how to at MMI and i have mapped several bikes with a pc but shouldnt a ecu tune be more exact tune than a power commander... for years cars have been tuned via eprom etc and which is more accurate than a piggy back system which just adds values to a already existing map..
No. What I am saying is that you should use Ecu Editor to remove all factory restrictions, modify timing, rev limit cuts and rpms, remove factory timing retard values in lower gears, manipulate STPs, control shift lights and/or nitrous setups, and I even advocate using it for boostfuel tuning on Gen 2s; but as far as the main fuel map in the ecu, my opinion is that it should be left alone. This is why: Ecu Editor does a lot of things, much more than a powercommander. And Ecu Editor should be used for those things. There is one thing that a powercommander does better: fuel mapping. This is because the available software to map a pc box is much more advanced that what Ecu Editor offers. Mapping a bike's main fuel tables using Ecu Editor is like mapping a bike using a PCII, which any tuner knows is like going back 100 years. What I am also saying is that until you have used BOTH, you cannot honestly comment on which one is better. And although my opinion is set until something better comes along, I would recommend that anyone looking to get his bike tuned should probably talk to several tuners first, choose one and then go with what that tuner prefers and is comfortable with . . .
With the ECU Editor you can tune the IAP(Intake Air Pressure)portion of the map in addition to the TPS portion. I like to call it 3 dimensional tuning opposed to 2 dimensional with just TPS and RPM. Sure, with the IAP only having an effect under 10% throttle it doesn't do jack for a dragracer but it sure helped out the driveability of mine when I went from Brocks' map to one I autotuned with EE Editor. And now with the plug and play datalogger/flasher that's about to be released the autotune will be much easier and faster.[/QUOTE
What is IAP.These have a IAT.is the IAP the same as the MAP sensor changes??I have done some tuning so just curious of the IAP.
With the ECU Editor you can tune the IAP(Intake Air Pressure)portion of the map in addition to the TPS portion. I like to call it 3 dimensional tuning opposed to 2 dimensional with just TPS and RPM. Sure, with the IAP only having an effect under 10% throttle it doesn't do jack for a dragracer but it sure helped out the driveability of mine when I went from Brocks' map to one I autotuned with EE Editor. And now with the plug and play datalogger/flasher that's about to be released the autotune will be much easier and faster.[/QUOTE
What is IAP.These have a IAT.is the IAP the same as the MAP sensor changes??I have done some tuning so just curious of the IAP.
From my reading only it senses pressure changes that happen as you change elevation and adjust fueling to compensate for that change. An expert will be along.
I neglected to state that it also compensates for pressure changes caused by atmospheric changes due to weather conditions.
OK! This post has me up in the air. I have a PC3 and was thinking of getting it put on and dyno'd next week. Now, I am hearing the ECU editor is better. I want the best bang for my buck and I want it right. So the ECU editor can remove the restrictions? I currently have restriction TRE on it. I am inthe Norther Virginia area, so if anybody knows a reputable person to go let me know, and ECU v/s PC3
Thanks
Steve
having had my bike done at powerhouse.i would highly respect what this man has to say.IMHO, using Ecu Editor to remove all the restrictions AND a PC to tune the bike is the best you can do. POWERHOUSE is an Ecu Unleashed tuning center, we also use Ecu Editor almost every day. We also - in addition - use powercommanders to build custom maps. My opinion is based on the fact that I have been there, done that. I am not basing this opinion on something I HEARD . . .