American made superbike tire!!

[GregBob]

Hi Greg, comming to Seattle next week? for Adreneline Freaks and 2Fast track days?

<<Gary fyi

Yes! Tuf and I should be at both so look us up and let's ride. The forecast looks great. I'll be on Q2's.

[Tufbusa]

Here's the bottom line gents, "The best you've riden is the best you know"!

Whether it's bikes, suspension or tires, it's all the same. If you have never experienced anything better than what you have, it's pretty tough to justify spending money on something you are unfamilar with!

It's true, you don't need a deep sea rod to haul in a tuna but if you happen to snare Moby **** you certainly won't be realing him in on a fly rod!

[DevilDawg1]

Here's the bottom line gents, "The best you've riden is the best you know"!

Whether it's bikes, suspension or tires, it's all the same. If you have never experienced anything better than what you have, it's pretty tough to justify spending money on something you are unfamilar with!

It's true, you don't need a deep sea rod to haul in a tuna but if you happen to snare Moby **** you certainly won't be realing him in on a fly rod!

All above is true, but what is best for you is not best for every riding style.

And you don't fish for Moby **** in a trout stream.

[Tufbusa]

All above is true, but what is best for you is not best for every riding style.

And you don't fish for Moby **** in a trout stream.

Riding style has absolutely no bearing on tire choice, it's riding "Ability"!

The less ability you possess the more ability you need in a tire. The better the tire the more it lets you get away with due to poor rider input!

A highly skilled rider can ride a poor tire and make it look so easy thus giving the unwary a sense of false conficence!

[Dehning]

OK, so do the Metzeler M3s that are currently on my CBR1100xx count ?

Don't assume my friend.

[DevilDawg1]

Riding style has absolutely no bearing on tire choice, it's riding "Ability"!

The less ability you possess the more ability you need in a tire. The better the tire the more it lets you get away with due to poor rider input!

A highly skilled rider can ride a poor tire and make it look so easy thus giving the unwary a sense of false conficence!

Yes, riding ability has the same input as riding style.

Just because a person has the ability to drag a knee does not mean that he/she drags knees.

The Hayabusa in itself is proof of that. The Busa is more (not necessarily limited too) of a straight line, raw power bike than a touring bike.

I really like the raw power. But my style is more touring and a little sport, than vice versa. Don't need a high performance tire to tour around on.

Hence, style plays as much of a role if not more in tire choice.

And a highly skilled rider, will not push the limits of a tire that is not designed to take it.

[Tufbusa]

And a highly skilled rider, will not push the limits of a tire that is not designed to take it.

How else would you go about finding the limits of any tire if you don't test it?

Also, what is Style? Explain that to me. Is riding side saddle a style? Riding with one hand on the bars a style?

Ability is what designates you as a capable rider, not style!

[kml]

Well Tuf, you've convinced me. I'm taking the 016 off the front yanking the 023 off the rear and I'm going with the 003s 'cause you never know when you will need extra traction on the street.

I never did find the limits of the previous tires, but I figure I can push it a lot harder on the street with the 003s.

cheers
ken

[fastblackblur]

Well Tuf, you've convinced me. I'm taking the 016 off the front yanking the 023 off the rear and I'm going with the 003s 'cause you never know when you will need extra traction on the street.

I never did find the limits of the previous tires, but I figure I can push it a lot harder on the street with the 003s.

cheers
ken

I don't think the coments were directed at decent tires like the BT-016 and 23.

[Strife]

I'm confused? A motorcyclist is suppose to ride on the street like they would ride on the track pushing the limits of the tire? So they will know the limits of their tires? And because a rider doesn't do this they have no understanding of the demands of a street tire? So they lack Ability?

Mind you,I am not disagreeing that there isn't something to be learned on the track. But at same time there is stuff that is picked up through experience on the street. If a rider wants to pretend they on the track while riding on the street,then they need to have proper equipment accordingly. However they shouldn't be playing like that on a public road.

Someone brought up about the possibility of a ride going into a turn to hot on a public road and therefore they should have best tire they could possibly have. While I do agree with that,but at same time they are doing something they shouldn't be doing. That falls under driver error more then the need for a quarter size patch of rubber. If a rider isn't skilled enough to be aware of his surroundings chances are a tire sure isn't going to help them.

I would have to say riding style does play a factor on type of tire used. I Goldwing rider doesn't look for a tire that is used for cornering. They(most) look for a tire that gives them a maximized amount mileage. Why is that? I would say riding style. A person needs ability to be able to ride the style they ride. A Goldwing rider needs the ability to carve though a track to be effective on a public road?

A motorcycle should never be ridden in the rain cause of the difference in traction they have vs riding on dry pavement? Or is this now acceptable because of riding conditions?

[Strife]

I don't think the coments were directed at decent tires like the BT-016 and 23.

Well at what point is the cut-off for safety of a tire? What constitutes this definition of decent in a tire? Shinko has been out for some time now and we can see how the internet is flooded with people getting into wrecks because of these tires on the street. There are lawyers who specialize on such things. An issue like this would make big news with the riding community as it would involve big $$. look what a cup of coffee paid off.

[DevilDawg1]

How else would you go about finding the limits of any tire if you don't test it?

Also, what is Style? Explain that to me. Is riding side saddle a style? Riding with one hand on the bars a style?

Ability is what designates you as a capable rider, not style!

Ability is what designates you as a capable rider, but just because you are capable of riding 100+ MPH and are capable of riding at such lean angles you should be on a track. Doesn't mean that you have to.

Therefore your style does not equal or exceed your ability.

Professionals do not test tires on public roads. You can't do a proper test without controlled circumstanes.

Drag racing is a style,
Road Racing is a style,
Dirt Track is a style,


You could substitute the word "Form" for the word "Style".

Are the big Cruisers riding around on the wrong tires because they don't have a Big name brand "Z" rated tire?

[Tufbusa]

Well Dawg, is it Form or is it Style? Neither of which has anything to do with ability. Apparently you are confused between how you sit on the bike with your ability to make it function?

Arguing with a sign board you've painted yourself is confusing me!

Style: Method, Way, Approach, Manner, Fashion, Techinque, Mode

Form: Shape, Figure, Appearance, Outline, Structure, Type

[Dehning]

Now you guys are only arguing symantecs, this is boring.

And for the record, seems to me that nobody here has "found the limits" of the tire(s) in question, so there's some homework for you guys.

[Tufbusa]

Now you guys are only arguing symantecs, this is boring.

And for the record, seems to me that nobody here has "found the limits" of the tire(s) in question, so there's some homework for you guys.

And for the RECORD:

Are you incapable or just to lazy to do your own research?

Incapable: Unable, Powerless, Incompetent, Inept, Non sufficiently expert, Unqualified, Helpless

Lazy: Indolent, Idle, Letharlegic, Slugish, Languid, Slothful

[Tufbusa]

Well Tuf, you've convinced me. I'm taking the 016 off the front yanking the 023 off the rear and I'm going with the 003s 'cause you never know when you will need extra traction on the street.

I never did find the limits of the previous tires, but I figure I can push it a lot harder on the street with the 003s.

cheers
ken

Damn Ken, I must be using really good bait to suck you in?

As long as I keep dangling the bait the two jay birds will keep floundering

I explained to them there is no Shinko tire test available that I can find anywhere in Post #64. I guess they were so anxious to get the next combative post up they failed to read that part? ???

Run whatever tire you want, Shinko or Bridgestone I could really care less. All I pointed out was how important that little contact patch is and these two jay birds went balistic defending their Shinkos.

It's been fun but it's something like a Tom Cat kissing a Skunk, "It's been sweet baby but I've just about had all I can stand"!

Cheers Buddy!

[kml]

Damn Ken, I must be using really good bait to suck you in?

I've made up my mind.... 003 aren't gonna be good enough for my new style so I'm going to hand cut all my own slicks now.



cheers
ken

[chrisjp]

soooooooooo who has heard or knows of any write ups on this new american tire brand.

[skydivr]

SteveO i just love your euphamisms!

I guess the point would be, as long as you are not overriding the limits of your tire, you are ok and can ride whatever you want; but when you DO outride them, you are gonna be up a creek without a paddle really quick....I'm still wishing I'd have gone ahead and upgraded my tire before I made that fateful lap (and crashed) at Barber in March...would have saved me a lot of headache!

[DevilDawg1]

Well Dawg, is it Form or is it Style? Neither of which has anything to do with ability. Apparently you are confused between how you sit on the bike with your ability to make it function?

Arguing with a sign board you've painted yourself is confusing me!

Style: Method, Way, Approach, Manner, Fashion, Techinque, Mode

Form: Shape, Figure, Appearance, Outline, Structure, Type

Schematics, schematics, schematics.

Different tires for different riders,
Different tires for different styles,
Different tires for different forms.

Ever what you want to call it,

The stickiest tire, the best corning tire, every how you want to brake it down.

Ability, style, form, according to your logic the Goldwing needs a "Z" rated high performance tire.

To ride the Goldwing requires ability, but it requires a different style and form, as the Hayabusa.


Different riders ride their bikes differently (insert style and form her as per your definitions). Out of ten riders on the same track, there would probably be three different preferences.

No one tire performs the same for ten different riders.

You may know the limits of every tire you have been on, on the track. Take the best tire you have been on, drag your knee in a sandy curve and let us know how well it holds.