American made superbike tire!!

[chrisjp]

so....nobody has any experience with the name brand or any knowledge of thier quality...hmmmmm... as for shinkos yes i do know what i can do with them...i can corner very well with them and havent been shaken up by thier "looseness" yet. others have seen me corner on our rides. im not a pro but im also not a spokesperson...i ride them they give me 6k miles min they hold my fat butt to the road when i play....what else is there to know except if i was paying for the track i would play and pay what the track demands...on public roads...shinkos are not cheap...they are innexpensive!! so again....thinking of trying them (tires original thread topic was about) as they are AMERICAN MADE. anyone have input on thier performance? ???

[kennym4]

Again Chris I didn't mean to take your thread down this road !!

[Dehning]

I'd still be interested to read about the performance of these tires, but on price the discussion is kind of academic because front & back for a Busa & Shipping is $187.98 which is $13 more than a set of shipped Shinkos off eBay.

[Tufbusa]

I'd guess I've been through more tires than any ten posters on this thread combined. One thing I can share with you that may very well save you a trip to the ER or worse, don't skimp on tires. It's foolish and irresponsible to your family. It amazes me that so many will spend top dollar on fancy pipes and chrome bling but when it comes to tires it's cheap, cheap, cheap!

You purchase a bike that is absolutely evil with massive power and then strap it to the pavement with less than sufficient rubber. You are rolling the dice in hopes of avoiding snake eyes. Most will avoid disaster but some will not. The question becomes, who will fall to poor decisions and who will not?

You may never need anything better than cheap but if you do it can be devistating. And in some cases, you only get one mistake!

[Strife]

Again you are talking about doing stuff you shouldn't be doing on the street to begin with. Any we all should be riding on the street with ultra soft tires designed for the track.

Doing stuff that should be done at the track on the street warrants the need for a better tire. At no time I stated otherwise.

Please provide an example where an 009 Shinko will fail over a top of the line tire on a "Public" road.

[Tufbusa]

Again you are talking about doing stuff you shouldn't be doing on the street to begin with. Any we all should be riding on the street with ultra soft tires designed for the track.

Doing stuff that should be done at the track on the street warrants the need for a better tire. At no time I stated otherwise.

Please provide an example where an 009 Shinko will fail over a top of the line tire on a "Public" road.

You my friend have totally missed the point! My appoligies! lease:

[Strife]

You my friend have totally missed the point! My appoligies! lease:

And that is the best example you can come up with?

[Dehning]

And that is the best example you can come up with?

I have to agree, I will totally take your word for it if you show my any proof other than the price tag. Show me 60-0 numbers, lateral G numbers, force required to unseat the bead, premature failure rate per 1000, ANYTHING other than the price tag.

Shinkos are designed and built using technology from Yokohama, track / street, Yokohama's been there. Quoting a guy from Tires Unlimited: "Shinko's mainly sell online so thats one of the main reasons they can be sold as cheap as they are , they dont have many name brand tire guys that have to jack up the prices to pay advertising as well as big store costs etc."

Stop posting "Because I say so" responses and bring the proof.

[fastblackblur]

Again you are talking about doing stuff you shouldn't be doing on the street to begin with. Any we all should be riding on the street with ultra soft tires designed for the track.

No, point is you don't know when your going to need a litte bit more grip, lean angle, slide stability...

Bad things happened to people who obey traffic laws too you know...

I have to agree, I will totally take your word for it if you show my any proof other than the price tag. Show me 60-0 numbers, lateral G numbers, force required to unseat the bead, premature failure rate per 1000, ANYTHING other than the price tag.

You won't find much out there on shinko's performance vs the high end street tires because I believe they are generally recognized as a sub par tire and not worthy of comparison.

[Dehning]

No, point is you don't know when your going to need a litte bit more grip, lean angle, slide stability...

Bad things happened to people who obey traffic laws too you know...



You won't find much out there on shinko's performance vs the high end street tires because I believe they are generally recognized as a sub par tire and not worthy of comparison.

Quote your source for the "sub par" comment.

[fastblackblur]

what qualifies as a source? The opinion that shinko's are inferior to the dunlops, stones, michelins, ect is not isolated to this forum. When I see the same thing being posted over and over I tend to believe there must be some truth behind it.

[Dehning]

what qualifies as a source? The opinion that shinko's are inferior to the dunlops, stones, michelins, ect is not isolated to this forum. When I see the same thing being posted over and over I tend to believe there must be some truth behind it.

If that opinion is so popular then you should have no problem finding a respectable source to quote.

[Strife]

I'd blame it on the brakes cause everyone knows stock brakes aren't worth a crap and Suzuki is going under from all the lawsuits of equipping their motorcycles with faulty systems rather then Brembo's. Time to buy lighter rims. Time to go +1 up in rear. Change out that stabilizer.

Point of me throwing out the above paragraph is that there is a point where certain standards aren't really necessary for street riding. Shinko isn't using tech from the 60's in the manufacturing of their tires. Harley has the retro market cornered.

Also Shinko has been around long enough for anything accident related to their tires to arise.

If a person is going to play on the street then they need to equip accordingly.

How can one justify putting a Dunlop D250 O.E($181) on any motorcycle cause it doesn't meet the safety grip standard needed for the public streets? Them dang Goldwings are known for being all over the road due to tire failure. Tire that offers between 12,000 to 15,000 miles for most owners. Are these Goldwing owners fools? Clearly the tire gives up traction for mileage only to put the rider in danger. They are on two wheels and face the same dangers we do on the road also.

Bottom line is we can agree that it is up to the individual on at what point is a factor protective or harmful.

[fastblackblur]

If that opinion is so popular then you should have no problem finding a respectable source to quote.

here ya go

Personally, I would not run a shinko tire if they were free!

[Tufbusa]

No Sir! I can give you a much better example!

Well heck.. been riding for 20+ years on the street and only been separated from my motorcycle once by being forced off the road.

I'd say a man who's been riding on the streets for 20 years on cheap tires with only one get off pretty much knows everything already!

About 2years into riding, I hit a deer on my 82 GS1100(sporting some continentals)

No wait,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, now that you think about it there was another get off on those cheap tires! ??? Sorry you had to go through that one. Hope it didn't make you fearful of deer!

Sorry you had a bumpy road on them public streets. But I'm happy I didn't share the same learning experience.

It really is to bad you had such a short, steep learning curve over the past 20 years. Some of that cash you saved on cheap tires you could have spent on improving your skills. A couple track days here and there with an instructor would have improved your skills tremendously. May have even help you to understand just how important that little magical patch of rubber called the "Contact Patch" really is?

You'd learn skills that a street rider never gets any other way. It's been my experience as a motorcycle instructor that street riders learn more in one track day with an instructor than they will learn all summer on the streets. They learn how to safely go fast without fear of deer or some old cotton top running them off in weeds. You'll also learn proper braking. However, if you are going to brake hard, I'd suggest a tire that will lift the rear before it looses traction. Not those cheap ones you have become so familiar with but you'll no doubt have to cough up a few more bucks to get the good stuff!

As a matter of fact, I'll be at Barber in Birmingham in October and I'd be happy to spend an entire day with you. I think you'd be surprised at what you'd learn about you as well as your bike?

So by your logic

And just for the Record, never use the term "Logic" when you are debating an issue, which you clearly are. It tells your opponent that you have absolutely nothing of substance left to offer!

PM me if you are interested in showing up at Barber. It's a sincere offer!

[sixpack577]

I have to agree, I will totally take your word for it if you show my any proof other than the price tag. Show me 60-0 numbers, lateral G numbers, force required to unseat the bead, premature failure rate per 1000, ANYTHING other than the price tag.

Shinkos are designed and built using technology from Yokohama, track / street, Yokohama's been there. Quoting a guy from Tires Unlimited: "Shinko's mainly sell online so thats one of the main reasons they can be sold as cheap as they are , they dont have many name brand tire guys that have to jack up the prices to pay advertising as well as big store costs etc."

Stop posting "Because I say so" responses and bring the proof.

You do have to consider the R&D costs that go into hi performance/race tires. And that they use compounds that cost more to manufacture. There is a reason behind a higher price, and the performance is far superior.
I just though I'de throw that out there, I won't argue about cheaper tires.

[Dehning]

Well I can tell you that compound technology is one of the things Shinko bought from Yokohama so I'm sure there was plenty of R&D dollars spent there.

Regardless, here we are on page 3 and still no verifyable proof that Shinkos are inferior. Sad...
I know I'm intentionally dragging this on, but surely you can see the hilarity in the fact that nobody still can back up their claims.
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[fastblackblur]

for the sake of argument... what information are you using to suggest that they(shinko tires) are up to snuff?

[Tufbusa]

Well I can tell you that compound technology is one of the things Shinko bought from Yokohama so I'm sure there was plenty of R&D dollars spent there.

Regardless, here we are on page 3 and still no verifyable proof that Shinkos are inferior. Sad...
I know I'm intentionally dragging this on, but surely you can see the hilarity in the fact that nobody still can back up their claims.
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Don't be sad, there is an Easy fix! Bring your bike shod with your shinko's over to Barber and I'll romp with you on dunlops. We'll romp around the track picking up the pace a little every lap until someone looses traction or crashes. If your shinkos out last the dunlops I'll pay for your track day and reimburse you for your travel expenses. So here's your chance to do your very own tire test. That should satisfy your PROOF requirment!

And if your "Logic" is correct, it won't cost you a dime!

[Dehning]

for the sake of argument... what information are you using to suggest that they(shinko tires) are up to snuff?

I can't prove that the Shinkos are any different from the Metzeler M3s on my Blackbird? No . . . which is kind of the point. I'm not saying they are better, I'm just saying that so far nobody has proven them worse.

What I can tell you that I can tell you that I pass through a set of corners every morning and evening for years now that I know like the back of my hand, and the Shinkos and M3's hold my line perfectly, whereas the Dunlops, M1s and especially the Michelins that I have had don't. If I came into one of those corners too hot and my life depended on the tire holding, then I would choose the M3s or the Shinkos.