American made superbike tire!!

[Dehning]

Don't be sad, there is an Easy fix! Bring your bike shod with your shinko's over to Barber and I'll romp with you on dunlops. We'll romp around the track picking up the pace a little every lap until someone looses traction or crashes. If your shinkos out last the dunlops I'll pay for your track day and reimburse you for your travel expenses. So here's your chance to do your very own tire test. That should satisfy your PROOF requirment!

And if your "Logic" is correct, it won't cost you a dime!

So you want me to take the tires out of the environment that I'm arguing they are good in and take them to an environment that requires a specialized tire ???

How about you ride 9000 miles regular miles with me and if your tires do anything to exceed mine then I'll consider your offer.

[Strife]

Rofl you still comparing the track to the street.

Just to be clear a "Get Off" is rider and motorcycle parting from each other? If that is the case...

I actually didn't go down from hitting the deer. Had a wrecked fairing and had to clean blood and hair off my brake caliber(front) and such. I stayed upright. I rode home slow. Shook up as can be. All on cheap tires... Did I mention the roads were Dew'd over? I certainly didn't drive a straight line into it. So that means I had to bank to one side while braking hard all in a split second.

You claimed to have had many wrecks.. All on what type of tires?

Where were your many wrecks at again?


I agree that you do learn from such things as wrecks. A person learns from everyday experiences.

Yet you still haven't addressed giving an example of where a tire like a Shinko failed to perform on the street.

Is there something you can teach me.. I certainly hope so. Anyone in this world does have a lesson to teach. I don't claim to be the best rider,but I know enough. Just cause someone doesn't ride hard the corners of a track doesn't make them a crappy rider.

You most certainly would smoke me at Barber. But we aren't discuss track riding are we? At least I haven't been. It's been about street riding. A person has no business riding on the street like they do on the track.

There are Busa's here that are already sporting Shinko's and I don't recall anyone talking about having issues with them on the Street.

To sum it up in the years I've been riding I never had an issue with not buying a top of the line(cost wise) tire to ride on the street.

The OP seen a new tire on the market. Seen it was USA made(we hoped) and wanted some input if anyone had any experience. He like the idea of support the good ole USA. Sadly none of us do.

Did some internet poking around and didn't find much on it. One rider said he put some miles on his and haven't had an issue. While some said they wouldn't buy anything that is priced so cheaply. Basing the quality on the price.

The movie "Tommy Boy" comes to mind.

Not a direct quote,but anyone who seen the movie would recall it...

"I can throw a piece of crap in this box and slap a sticker on it saying guaranteed for life if that make you happier" "But we here at XXXXX are all about putting out a quality product at an affordable price."

That quote and one about a bull's ars....

[kennym4]

I don't know Tuff, I've been through at least 5 pair in the past 4 years

[Tufbusa]

Rofl you still comparing the track to the street.

Since you've never been on a track, you obviously don't know it's actually covered with asphalt just like your street! They are both the same as far as your bike is concerned.

Just so you know, nobody test tires on the street. It's always done in a controled environment. Every manufacturer except Shinko has their own track for testing. Are you getting the picture?

I've never seen a shinko tire test. I've never seen a comparison test with shinko included. That should tell you something about your cheap arse tires. You never see Dunlop or Michelin compare any tire to a shinko. There is a reason for that. I'll let you figure it out!

It's quite apparent you won't be testing your own tires.


I've been told I have the patience of a Saint but I must be foundering in my old age!

I usually get paid to shape up guys like you but if you want to join in the fun at Barber, I'll donate my time for free!

[chrisjp]

sooooo following the logic...should we buy the most expensive tires for our cars...accidents could happen at any time and cheap tires for the car just might do us bad things...yes more protection in a car but useing "what if's" to argue the value of a tire i belive is mute. ride in your skill level...accidents happen...highly unlikely the "tire" caused it. or kept you out of it. back to my original question...who knows anything about the name brand...and reason i would try it is BECAUSE I WANT TO BUY AMERICAN or at least give it a shot.

[Tufbusa]

May just have a different view. I'm simply stating that a $108 009 raven will perform just as well as an $220 Pirelli Diablo Corsa III on a public road.

You just can't get over that "I've been riding cheap tires for 20 years and I'm still alive" thing, eh? God Bless you my friend, more power to you.

There was a biker killed just yesterday only a short distance from me who couldn't stop and hit a car. Since I apparently have to explain my points to you, that little contact patch is just as/more important on the streets than on the track. Death on the track is extremely rare but street crashes kill over 5000 bikers annually in the US. About 14 or so a day, every day of the year. During the summer months we usually see at least one death a week here in Washington.

You are apparently unaware the Diablo Corsa III's are no longer produced. It's been replaced by the Diablo Rosso Corsa. Your Raven was outdated when the Corsa III was developed. Still round and black!

Just for the record you should become a bit more familar with your subject matter before puffing your chest up like a poisoned pup.

[Dehning]

...There was a biker killed just yesterday only a short distance from me who couldn't stop and hit a car...

What tires was he using ?

I don't understand what this has to do with the discussion. Motorcycling is a dangerous pastime, I'll grant you that. But telling me that it's made less dangerous simply because you dropped a few more bucks on a set of tires isn't going to convince me.

[Strife]

Here is an interesting link about the Shinko tire....

Shinko Tires - Test/Review - The Sportbikes Website

[Dehning]

Here is an interesting link about the Shinko tire....

Shinko Tires - Test/Review - The Sportbikes Website

Funny I had the exact same review open, it was one the ones that original quelled my fears about the Shinkos. Here's another review, although for the stealths:

[Motorcycle USA - Shinko Stealth review]

[Tufbusa]

Are you frickin Kidding me? I swear both of you have lost your mind!

One comes up with a thread off a sportbike forum by some cat who calls himself Mighty Mouse and you post it up as an authority on tires.

And the other one comes up with an advertisement written by some guy no one has ever heard of from MotoUSA. After the build up of his wonderful shinko race tire experience just happen to place a link, Buy it Now "Shinko Stealth Tires". Did the thought ever cross your mind he may have a bridge for sale in Arizona?

Two guys who's screaming like piglets to show me proof and then you present this as proof to substantiate your view? Un-stinkin-believeable!

At least you two have figured out how to use Google Search! Let me give you some help here. Type Jim Allen into your google search and you just may get some sound tire advise. Jim has done more for the development of motorcycle tires than any other human on earth.

I'm Done! You guys knock yourselves out! :
I'm not surprised you both are on Shinko's! :6

[Dehning]

Are you frickin Kidding me? I swear both of you have lost your mind!

One comes up with a thread off a sportbike forum by some cat who calls himself Mighty Mouse and you post it up as an authority on tires.

And the other one comes up with an advertisement written by some guy no one has ever heard of from MotoUSA. After the build up of his wonderful shinko race tire experience just happen to place a link, Buy it Now "Shinko Stealth Tires". Did the thought ever cross your mind he may have a bridge for sale in Arizona?

Two guys who's screaming like piglets to show me proof and then you present this as proof to substantiate your view? Un-stinkin-believeable!

At least you two have figured out how to use Google Search! Let me give you some help here. Type Jim Allen into your google search and you just may get some sound tire advise. Jim has done more for the development of motorcycle tires than any other human on earth.

I'm Done! You guys knock yourselves out! :
I'm not surprised you both are on Shinko's! :6

Are you done? If you brought one shred of evidence to the table instead of paragraphs of meaningless opinions, then we would both have shut up long ago. Both the quoted articles are not trying to prove Shinkos better, that would be impossible, instead they are just illustrating that they are as good of a tire as the next.

If you want to bow out of the discussion, then by all means, but know that for all your posts on the subject, we still don't have a single reference to go back to that proves that Shinkos are in any way inferior.

I actually appreciate your last line, I actually consider it a compliment.

[DevilDawg1]

So the ZR is unlimited

The Speed ratings are not to difficult but can be mis leading -

Any tire rated above 150 is classified as a "Z" rated tire - The "Z" Rating does not mean unlimited.

The "W" rated tire is a "Z" rated tire and so is the "Y" rating spoken of later in the this thread.

"Z" Means 150+ The "W" rated is 150+ upto 168. This is why the tire has the Z listed on the sidewall as well.

I forgot what the speed rating on the "Y" is but, if you decode all the numbers the ZR is listed in the size numbers on these tires as well.

[DevilDawg1]

hey i was looking at this on iron ponys website...i usually pick up shinkos but this is made in usa so for the price was thinking of trying it out. what you think?

Get Your Motorcycle GEAR at The Iron Pony: Looking for MOTORCYCLE CLOTHING? We sell MOTORCYCLE ACCESSORIES, ATV ACESSORIES, MOTORCYCLE STUFF, MOTORCYCLE PARTS CATALOG, MOTOCROSS, MOTORCROSS GEAR

Never heard of this tire before, but I marked it, when I need new shoes I would be willing to give them a try.

I am running the Continental Motion right now, (just about 300 miles) I hae no complaints. Riders who ride more aggresively may or may not like them. I have run Mich/Dunlop/Bridgestone/Conti. For my riding style I do not have a problem with any of these tires. I seem to get more longevity out of the Conti's than the other names mentioned. If you try these tires write up a review and let us know.

None of the sport tires holds well in the rain, some hold better than others, but none of them hold superbly in wet conditions. Maybe this one could be the one.

I know If they don't fit my riding style, I will pull them off and replace them.


Good luck and keep us posted.

[Dehning]

Never heard of this tire before, but I marked it, when I need new shoes I would be willing to give them a try.

I am running the Continental Motion right now, (just about 300 miles) I hae no complaints. Riders who ride more aggresively may or may not like them. I have run Mich/Dunlop/Bridgestone/Conti. For my riding style I do not have a problem with any of these tires. I seem to get more longevity out of the Conti's than the other names mentioned. If you try these tires write up a review and let us know.

None of the sport tires holds well in the rain, some hold better than others, but none of them hold superbly in wet conditions. Maybe this one could be the one.

I know If they don't fit my riding style, I will pull them off and replace them.


Good luck and keep us posted.

Just FYI, I have read lots of favorable commentary about the Shinko Ravens in wet weather too. I definitely don't push it in the wet, but I've had the Busa out in a couple of rainstorms recently and they are more sure footed than I every expected any tire to be in the wet.

[GregBob]

Maybe one thing to consider regarding riding on the street is what happens when things go wrong.

When a car pulls out in front of you and you need stopping power that lifts the rear tire off the ground. If you enter a turn too hot and have to lean that beast over until the hard parts scrape.

When the unexpected happens you'll pray to God your tires hold.

Racers and test riders all over the world have millions of laps at insane speeds proving brand name tires are up to the task.

If an inexpensive tire has a strong "track" record, I'll happily use it. But I won't risk it all on unproven rubber.

[fastblackblur]

Maybe one thing to consider regarding riding on the street is what happens when things go wrong.

When a car pulls out in front of you and you need stopping power that lifts the rear tire off the ground. If you enter a turn too hot and have to lean that beast over until the hard parts scrape.

Hi Greg, comming to Seattle next week? for Adreneline Freaks and 2Fast track days?

<<Gary fyi

tried this argument already didn't convince anybody...

I guess if you don't know what your bike is capable of you don't realize what your missing out on and how that could potentially have dire consequences given the proper circumstances.

[Dehning]

To the best of my knowledge, they typically don't test sport touring tires at racetracks and typically people don't run ultra high performance race slicks in the street.
So if I'm understanding this correctly, to be MORE safe on the street, I have to run the top of the line tires that are intended for racing ?

Why do people keep bringing race tracks up. How about this for some logic: Race tracks are typically controlled environments without speed-bumps, there are generally smooth surfaces and relatively little road debris. So it follows that tires intended for racing are designed to work best in that environment. A sport touring tire by comparison is DESIGNED for a mixture of sporty riding and touring, so it is better designed to deal with real world road problems. So I put it to you that unless sport touring tires are just marketing hype, that (regardless of manufacturer) they are better suited to everyday riding than race-orientated tires, and if that's true, then your argument that they 'work well on the track' is mute.

Picture this for a moment: You're hauling ass down a new road and you come up on an unexpected corner. You grab as much brake as you dare and that little contact patch suddenly has incredible forces at work on it. Now just imagine that at this moment, forks compressed, rear tire close to locking up you hit a broken bottle....
I personally would bet my life on a touring tire having a better chance of survival over a race tire in that situation any day.

So for the last time, I concede, race tires are absolutely the best thing you can buy for a race track, buy the same make/model that one last year's GP championship or Isle of Man - BUT - When you ride in the real world, get real, the best tool for the job is the one designed for the job so we are talking real world tires. And as of this moment, nobody had brought any evidence to the table that IN THE REAL WORLD, the Shinkos are inferior.

I just went through the laborious task of reading the first 50 yes FIFTY results to the google query "Shinko Raven Review", in every review, the people who have tried them have nothing but good things to say about them. I found a few posts like this one where there was unfounded criticism, but when it came to actual experience, nobody had anything bad to say. The 'worst' thing I saw was 'Turn in is a little slower'.

If you guys want to keep preaching unsubstantiated truths, then by all means, I can't stop you, but I refuse to be a sheep and bet my safety on the opinion of somebody who can't back up their claims.

[fastblackblur]

Picture this for a moment: You're hauling ass down a new road and you come up on an unexpected corner. You grab as much brake as you dare and that little contact patch suddenly has incredible forces at work on it. Now just imagine that at this moment, forks compressed, rear tire close to locking up you hit a broken bottle....
I personally would bet my life on a touring tire having a better chance of survival over a race tire in that situation any day.

Any situation involving evasive maneuvers your going to be better off on a better handling tire. I don't think sport touring tires are all hype but I also recognize there is a definite trade off for longevity vs performance. I would consider running a sport touring tire...from a reputable manufacturer. Shinko however does not provide enough information to be mentioned in the same league as the premier tire manufacturers. Heck how do we know they aren't running the same compound that Yokohama was using back in 98? Without any track data it's impossible to see if their tires have improved at all since conception.

Sport touring tires may be designed for everyday riding but they are still tested and evaluated on a race tracks.

Pirelli Angel ST Sets World Duration Record - Suzuki Sportbike News - Motorcycle USA

[DevilDawg1]

Professional Track review of the Shinko Motorcycle-use.com.

Don't know how to post a link.

The original poster of this thread was just asking if anyone had any experience with this tire.

No one is questioning that a full on race tire will do wonders compared to the regular sport tire. But it is almost an apples to oranges comparison.

The Big Cruisers do not even have "Z" rated sport tires on them. They handle great - for what they are.

Don't need a well rounded tire to go the 1/4 mile, but you do need good traction.

All out racers need the stickiest tire that is produced, longevity is not a factor. Those races are not rideing the tire 1,000-3,000 miles. The all out track tire probably wouldn't handle that many miles.
In every race you can watch the rear of the bike loose traction and power slide in some of the turns, some of these guys even low side, bike slides out from under them. Rider shill level on "racing a bike" is just as important to winning the race as anything else.

Not sure at what heat range a full race tire is its tackiest, but I would imagine that riding a bike on the street, the true race tire may not even reach the temperature that it needs to be 100% effective.

Most of us riding the Busa are probably above average average riders and most of the "Z" rated sport tires have way more capability than the rider will push the bike to. Hence the term "chicken strips".


Al in all, IMO, you do not need a deep sea fishing rod/reel to go fishing for rainbow trout. Would it work, yes. Is it necessary, no.

This doesn't mean you can take a trout real and go fishing for JAWS.

[Dehning]

I was just looking at their site and noticed their new 011 series, kinda intresting: