Another "Ride safe out there"........

[Busa1166]

Heal up rider...lease:

And I see you are in good spirits on the bed, must be the morphine cause that looks awfully painful.... All I had was the skin grind ed off and they had to poke me a couple of times with that stuff to clean me, and I still haven't found gear for me lower 1/2 but the icon armor is starting to look more attractive by the second.

[Dino]

great video. Thanks for the write up. That kid needs someone to look him in the eye and tell him he has a ways to go before he is a good rider. Normally the group has to accept some responsibility for not looking out for the less experienced guys but it looks like you guys did everything you could. Good on you.
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[raydog]

Jimbo, u got PM. Doyle

[keys]

Proper riding gear is a must. Great video. Thanks! Lets us know when he's back up riding.

[shawnski]

yeah, he hammered the throttle on his sv650 to do the pass...then was not paying attention to the bike in front of him...panic braking will put ya down most of the time.

+1000

[Wag]

Yeah, a good pair of leathers would have saved the kid a lot of pain and suffering and even a trip to the hospital, most likely.

Best we can all hope for is to survive long enough to learn this stuff. My thought is, if you buy a first bike you add the cost of all the right gear to the purchase and then go from there.

Also, CCBusa, I learned a couple years ago that if you do a couple of track days, it goes a long way to curing you of the urge to ride crazy on the street out of impulse.

Thanks for the vid. Very well presented.

--Wag--

[bazooki]

Yet another example of inexperienced riders going out in a group and getting in over their head and getting hurt. Testosterone and adrenaline are evil things when skills and experience are not included in the rush.

I wish I would have stopped the video before the freakin hole in the knee part!

[The Big Red One]

Look at the first two minutes or so of the attached video of one of our local Reno based sports bike club members going down for the second time in as many weeks! A couple of you might remember seeing the same rear fender mounted camera catching me going down on my gixxer last September (low speed, but nevertheless, intimate encounter with gravel on the roadway). Anyway, I have stepped back for a moment or two this season to promise my family that I am going to rethink the stupid, immature and irresponsible aggressive street riding I used to partake in when "caught up in the moment" when out with much more aggressive, younger and experienced riders than me. At close to 65 years old, it’s high time for me to grow up and stop to smell the roses. I used to always feel that I had to be with the front two or three riders during our Sunday rides, but I now realize how immature and dangerous that can be. In doing so, I missed out on many relaxing and scenery enjoying moments along the way, but no more of the “track†type stuff on the street for me. If just one of you out here takes the time to really think about the true meaning of street riding and what it’s all about, things like enjoying good company and safe riding techniques when you’re out there, then this “long winded†thread might be worth reading.
BTW, “Harold†was not wearing proper pant protection (jeans). The last part of this video is a bit graphic, be for warned.

- NSC Pieces of Harold[/url]

Is it the Sierra Sportbike guys? I rode with them for a couple seasons. There was a kid named Mike that was just starting out, he bought a 500 ninja and figured he needed to "practice" his race pace before his first ride with the group...so he went up on rattlesnake peak to work on his technique......he crashed and was paralyzed from the upper back down. He was 21.....and a nice kid too. I found out by calling him up to go for a planned ride, just me and him, and he said sorry dude, I can't go, I'm paralyzed One of the saddest things I've ever dealt with.....
I was trying to help him get past the whole competition/ego thing to..........

[Takeuon]

You can't see the Dodge Durango in the video, but the older gent driver was ALSO pulling out to pass another vehicle at the same time the cameraman and victim were attempting to pass him. He eventually turned around and returned to the scene of the accident and admitted to the LEO that he did not see the motorcyles behind him.
Secondly, Harold actually clipped the cameraman's rear tire which caused him to lose control and thus go down. Harold won't see this post, so I can say this here, he is a new pilot and not a very good rider at this juncture in his pursuit of two-wheeled endeavors, thus as you can see, he was way too close to the camera Kawasaki 600 when in the process of passing. The cameraman is a really great rider and luckily was able to save himself from also going down after the wheel to wheel contact.
But, but, but Doyle...........track day??? Ohhhh me O my, my new ride is too pristine to risk sacrifice and if I even considered something like that, I'd have buy some savaged junker 600 or something like that to be able to even come close to staying up with you dudes!!

The two things I picked up watching that are: At the beginning of the video there is a yellow bike (FZR?) with a numbered racing front end w/ no headlights! (can u say illegal)
The 2nd is when the guy clips the camera dudes rear tire. It appears the camera bike just keeps on going. He had to have known something hit him.
Did he eventually stop??

[HT_USMC]

Yep...pretty graphic...I FF'd through most of the 'graphix'...just had lunch.

Good for you, Jimbo. Great position to take with your mind-set.

Non-hacker!

[Mr Bogus]

harold needs a new hobby... I would not ride within a mile of this guy if he can not execute a safe pass... and this is not the first time? only a matter of time before he becomes a fatality statistic if he continues to ride like a moron..

He could be the nicest guy in the world but he does not belong on a bike..

[SLO MO]

The two things I picked up watching that are: At the beginning of the video there is a yellow bike (FZR?) with a numbered racing front end w/ no headlights! (can u say illegal)
The 2nd is when the guy clips the camera dudes rear tire. It appears the camera bike just keeps on going. He had to have known something hit him.
Did he eventually stop??

Yeah I noticed that novice race number too. I think he kept going to chase the other car per the responses in the video.

[SLO MO]

Yeah, a good pair of leathers would have saved the kid a lot of pain and suffering and even a trip to the hospital, most likely.

Best we can all hope for is to survive long enough to learn this stuff. My thought is, if you buy a first bike you add the cost of all the right gear to the purchase and then go from there.

Also, CCBusa, I learned a couple years ago that if you do a couple of track days, it goes a long way to curing you of the urge to ride crazy on the street out of impulse.

Thanks for the vid. Very well presented.

--Wag--

You don't need full leathers to ride in proper gear, all you need is a Jacket, Helmet, Gloves, chest & back protector, boots, Moto specific ridding jeans (not regular jeans) and for the ones with no knee protection I wear knee and lower leg protectors and skid shorts (they have hip, pelvic, tailbone and but pads in them.

[raydog]

Well, whether you censor a kid, give em advice, empathize, or just dismiss the event as, "it'll never happen to me, I'm too skillful", we can all raise our personal consciousness by debriefing/ discussion. It's very sobering to watch the video, both because of low skills/poor judgement and inadequate safety clothing. Kids like that need the best modeling and input we can give em, if given the chance.
Even if I say, "I'd never ride with someone like that", we find ourselves at coffee shops on riding breaks face to face with someone we can influence. Telling them they are a squid or stupid a$$ will not change behavior....friendly discussion and advice can make a difference....I've been a teacher for 20 years, I know it for a fact. Thanks for posting this Jimbo, it might save a life.
Happy riding to all. Raydog

[Mr Bogus]

Well, whether you censor a kid, give em advice, empathize, or just dismiss the event as, "it'll never happen to me, I'm too skillful", we can all raise our personal consciousness by debriefing/ discussion. It's very sobering to watch the video, both because of low skills/poor judgement and inadequate safety clothing. Kids like that need the best modeling and input we can give em, if given the chance.
Even if I say, "I'd never ride with someone like that", we find ourselves at coffee shops on riding breaks face to face with someone we can influence. Telling them they are a squid or stupid a$$ will not change behavior....friendly discussion and advice can make a difference....I've been a teacher for 20 years, I know it for a fact. Thanks for posting this Jimbo, it might save a life.
Happy riding to all. Raydog

yes this is probably true... You certainly take a better standpoint of this than I do..

I just do not have the patience anymore I guess.. too many years of watching guys buying machines that are just way beyond their skills and listening to all the reasons they needed the monster bike.. "oh a busa makes great first bike.. can you imagine what would have happened to this kid on a 175hp bike? The "it wont happen to me" thing just goes vapor about the time the handlebars hit the asphalt..

I have seen so many bite the dust (sure you have too).. I am just to the point that I am really hesitant to even ride with guys I do not know anymore due to the crashes that occur..

Just fouls up my day when we gotta call rescue, recover a destroyed machine, notify their family and then cope with the over all drama of the blood and guts..

Hope he heals up and learns from this.. I just fear this is not his last crash with the judgment he displayed.. (seems to be a key factor)

[raydog]

Bog, being a teacher is only a small part of why I try to be patient and tolorant. The real reason is...I remember what an absolute moron and show off I was as a teenager with my Yamaha YDS-3, Greeves Squarebarrel and Ducati Diana Mk III. It was only because of youthful reflexes, 1000's of hours of seat time and PURE LUCK that I survived. I had no male adult (or mature) role models when growing up so I kind of transfer my old "drifting through life without a tether" memories to kids of today...it kinda makes me more fatherly toward em.
How did I finally become a man (however slight)....thank you USMC!
Doyle

[Wag]

You don't need full leathers to ride in proper gear, all you need is a Jacket, Helmet, Gloves, chest & back protector, boots, Moto specific ridding jeans (not regular jeans) and for the ones with no knee protection I wear knee and lower leg protectors and skid shorts (they have hip, pelvic, tailbone and but pads in them.

Dude, that IS full gear. I think that choosing anything less than leather for your pants is a compromise, but that's still full gear.

--Wag--

[Mr Bogus]

Bog, being a teacher is only a small part of why I try to be patient and tolorant. The real reason is...I remember what an absolute moron and show off I was as a teenager with my Yamaha YDS-3, Greeves Squarebarrel and Ducati Diana Mk III. It was only because of youthful reflexes, 1000's of hours of seat time and PURE LUCK that I survived. I had no male adult (or mature) role models when growing up so I kind of transfer my old "drifting through life without a tether" memories to kids of today...it kinda makes me more fatherly toward em.
How did I finally become a man (however slight)....thank you USMC!
Doyle

I think there are some differences today that were not there 40 years ago.. My parents made me fend for myself.. I actually walked to school, rode my bike to appt's and had to decide for myself when to cross the street.. We rode in the back of pickup trucks after little league while the coach took us to Dairy queen for winning (try that one today)

It certainly was not "careful Johnny, you might stub your toe!, more like "so go clean it out and tape it up dope"

In the last 10-20 years, many kids only know the mini van and if told to walk somewhere, they would not know what a sidewalk is.. I think they lost the ability to 'reason' in some cases.. Self preservation is "first in line at the buffet"

Now it is trauma if their cell phone is not the newest they had to wait on a ride for more than 5 minutes..

is a good thing there are guys like you around still.. I just sit back and hope for "survival of the fittest" anymore

but really, all smartazm aside, I hope you do have some influence on the "clown squad"

Dude, that IS full gear. I think that choosing anything less than leather for your pants is a compromise, but that's still full gear.

--Wag--

I do wish that there was a good alternative to leather myself, especially for every day riding.. I have yet to see a textile pant that really did very well in a crash compared to leather.. (I ride in my work slacks pretty often because leather just is not workable).. All the textile stuff comes apart at the seams or just burns right through..

[raydog]

It cracks me up when I stop and go in a drug or grocery store in full leathers...here's this 62 year old 230 lb man walking around like a power ranger! Well, so what...it's like that book title..."What you think of me is none of my Business".

[CCbusa05]

Is it the Sierra Sportbike guys? I rode with them for a couple seasons. There was a kid named Mike that was just starting out, he bought a 500 ninja and figured he needed to "practice" his race pace before his first ride with the group...so he went up on rattlesnake peak to work on his technique......he crashed and was paralyzed from the upper back down. He was 21.....and a nice kid too. I found out by calling him up to go for a planned ride, just me and him, and he said sorry dude, I can't go, I'm paralyzed One of the saddest things I've ever dealt with.....
I was trying to help him get past the whole competition/ego thing to..........

No, not a member of the SSA, that happened on a NSC (Nevada Sportsbike Club) Sunday ride.
Do you live here in northern Nevada?