Wow, talk about your hard working tax dollars at work

[fast08busa]

It is funny how everyone blames the Dems or Libs for the free handouts but fail to recognize that the other party that keeps passing the funding for these programs.

Stop listening to campaign promises and start looking at their voting records.


For all of you that think drug testing and working for assistance is the answer, what happens to the children of the parent who fail or refuse to work? Do we reopen orphanages and put them there? Do we just let them starve?

Don't just complain, offer a real solution.

Nope no orphanages, CPS takes the kids into foster programs, if the parent cleans up, they get the children back, granted it may not be the perfect solution, but its a step in the right direction

 

[Schexy1]

Thats what childrens services is for. If mom and dad can't pass a drug test or afford to fee there little one then CPS needs to step.

Step in and do what?

 

[BlondeOnaBusa]

It is funny how everyone blames the Dems or Libs for the free handouts but fail to recognize that the other party that keeps passing the funding for these programs.

Stop listening to campaign promises and start looking at their voting records.


For all of you that think drug testing and working for assistance is the answer, what happens to the children of the parent who fail or refuse to work? Do we reopen orphanages and put them there? Do we just let them starve?

Don't just complain, offer a real solution.

So what's your solution?

 

[cqt1414]

if there were drug testing for welfare/foodstamps and such, it might be bumpy at first. There would be some challanges and such. However after a few yrs passed, and we began to see two things. 1) $$$ savings, 2) huge decrease in fraud.

most everyone, regardless of party lines would wonder why we didnt' do this eariler!!!

 

[Schexy1]

So what's your solution?

As I see it the problem is way deeper than the people who give and recieve the money. There is no easy or single way to fix the problem without causing another problem. Taking kids from welfare and putting them in foster care will lead to several more problems including fraud and abuse.

My solution would involve changing both the rich and the poor"s core beliefs. I am a bit of an extremist so most would agree that what we have now would be preferable to what I would do.

So while I know the system is not perfect and is being abused, I won't complain until I see a realistic solution being ignored.

 

[lil charlie]

Step in and do what?

Remove the children and place them in foster care. Thats what they do, protect children. I never said CPS was perfect, they have a bunch of problems too. I don't have any suggestions on how to fix that system, I just know drug test parents who want assistance is a good way to save money. If you can't be clean, our tax dollars will go to someone who can.

 

[Easy E]

It is funny how everyone blames the Dems or Libs for the free handouts but fail to recognize that the other party that keeps passing the funding for these programs.

Stop listening to campaign promises and start looking at their voting records.


For all of you that think drug testing and working for assistance is the answer, what happens to the children of the parent who fail or refuse to work? Do we reopen orphanages and put them there? Do we just let them starve?

Don't just complain, offer a real solution.

I agree...and what about corporate welfare!!

 

[BlondeOnaBusa]

As I see it the problem is way deeper than the people who give and recieve the money. There is no easy or single way to fix the problem without causing another problem. Taking kids from welfare and putting them in foster care will lead to several more problems including fraud and abuse.

My solution would involve changing both the rich and the poor"s core beliefs. I am a bit of an extremist so most would agree that what we have now would be preferable to what I would do.

So while I know the system is not perfect and is being abused, I won't complain until I see a realistic solution being ignored.

I would be really interested in hearing what you would do. How would you change the core beliefs of the rich and poor? What in your mind would be realistic solution?

 

[K6_7L]

Eat the babies

 

[Schexy1]

Remove the children and place them in foster care. Thats what they do, protect children. I never said CPS was perfect, they have a bunch of problems too. I don't have any suggestions on how to fix that system, I just know drug test parents who want assistance is a good way to save money. If you can't be clean, our tax dollars will go to someone who can.

Sorry to tell you this but we are all humans. Humans are smart but also selfish and greedy. I will guarantee that even before the testing starts, someone will find a way to make money they don’t deserve. After the testing starts and children are removed, welfare fraud may start to fall but Foster care fraud will increase. The little known issues with foster care fraud and abuse will become the focal point of future discussions like this one. I can see it now, “look at those lazy bums, they quit their jobs to be full time foster parents and live off the systemâ€￾.

Also, do you realize we spend more per child for foster care than we do for welfare? So, the more kids you switch from welfare to foster care, the more tax dollars we spend.

 

[cqt1414]

It seems to some on here, we should allow this disease to continue because some of these criminals have hungry kids
Are you suggesting the centerpiece of the news story should continue to get welfare? Geez

The string started because of a news story where an illegal alien drug dealer was arrested (again!) and it was discovered this criminal gets $900 bucks a month in food stamps on top of poisoning our society with heroin. If you multiply the various forms of welfare fraud by a couple million people, the amount of money given away is staggering! This story underscores what many already know, and that is there is a big problem with the system by which our government gives out billions of dollars to criminals, illegal’s, lazy citizens, and others who elect to abuse the system as opposed to doing that 4 letter word that frightens them so much- w*o*r*k! The worst part is the money comes from people like me (and most others here) who work every day. This cancer is inflicting irreversible damage to our country; it discourages hard work and demonstrates the worst of ethics to young people.

 

[BusaWhipped]

And with all of the broken Gov't systems we can point to right now, there are people who are in favor of the Gov't being given more piles of money to start more systems which will end up exactly like the broken ones we have. Our Gov't isn't qualified to run a lemon aid stand.

 

[Schexy1]

I would be really interested in hearing what you would do. How would you change the core beliefs of the rich and poor? What in your mind would be realistic solution?

The first thing I would do involves building a 40’ wall around the state of Arizona or New Mexico. Not to knock them, but that is where all of the human trash would be disposed. As I see it, the only right we have is to be a benefit to our society, everything else is a privilege. More benefit = more privileges.

The more I say the more I will sound like a Dictator, So I will stop now because I don’t have a flame suit.

 

[Schexy1]

It seems to some on here, we should allow this disease to continue because some of these criminals have hungry kids
Are you suggesting the centerpiece of the news story should continue to get welfare? Geez

The string started because of a news story where an illegal alien drug dealer was arrested (again!) and it was discovered this criminal gets $900 bucks a month in food stamps on top of poisoning our society with heroin. If you multiply the various forms of welfare fraud by a couple million people, the amount of money given away is staggering! This story underscores what many already know, and that is there is a big problem with the system by which our government gives out billions of dollars to criminals, illegal’s, lazy citizens, and others who elect to abuse the system as opposed to doing that 4 letter word that frightens them so much- w*o*r*k! The worst part is the money comes from people like me (and most others here) who work every day. This cancer is inflicting irreversible damage to our country; it discourages hard work and demonstrates the worst of ethics to young people.

No, not hungry kids of the criminals but hungry kids of the widow(er) or abandoned spouse, the family of the guy who got hit by the uninsured motorist, the kids of the parents who lost their jobs to China, the kid of the teenage girl who was a victim of date rape.

If you think that only criminals benefit from this system then we shouldn’t test for drug, we should just drop it all together so you can see what it is like to live in a third world county. While we are at it, let’s drop all entitlements and tax breaks across the board.

 

[cqt1414]

No, not hungry kids of the criminals but hungry kids of the widow(er) or abandoned spouse, the family of the guy who got hit by the uninsured motorist, the kids of the parents who lost their jobs to China, the kid of the teenage girl who was a victim of date rape.

If you think that only criminals benefit from this system then we shouldn’t test for drug, we should just drop it all together so you can see what it is like to live in a third world county. While we are at it, let’s drop all entitlements and tax breaks across the board.

never said welfare should stop all-together. I specifically said "welfare fraud" to ensure the need to address abuse in the system. plz do not misquote me.

in fact this just goes to show nothing will ever change. The moment a lawmaker attempts to propose any positive legistation, he will be attacked relentlessly with scenarios of "date rape" victims and such as this guy just did. These type of tactics hinder progress....

 

[skydivr]

Sorry to tell you this but we are all humans. Humans are smart but also selfish and greedy. I will guarantee that even before the testing starts, someone will find a way to make money they don’t deserve. After the testing starts and children are removed, welfare fraud may start to fall but Foster care fraud will increase. The little known issues with foster care fraud and abuse will become the focal point of future discussions like this one. I can see it now, “look at those lazy bums, they quit their jobs to be full time foster parents and live off the systemâ€￾.

Also, do you realize we spend more per child for foster care than we do for welfare? So, the more kids you switch from welfare to foster care, the more tax dollars we spend.

I'm sorry, but not doing the right thing (cleaning up welfare) because it would cause more problems in another area is not a decent answer - it's the cowards and the socialists way out. Clean up welfare, then clean up foster care fraud. It's all ILLLEGAL.

Since you want specific plans, I'll tell you exactly what we need to do:

1. Close the border and send illegals home (There's a quick way to start freeing up tax dollars and giving job employment opportunities to help AMERICANS). Unemployment rate drops immediately because legal citizens will now have opportunities for jobs currently being held by illegals. Yes, prices will go up (I'd rather pay for services than give it away), but at least it levels the playing field in business....

2. Start reducing welfare in stages over a 5 year period, 10% a year (WEAN people off the government dole). You should NEVER be able to get more money sitting around the house on your tail than you could working. NO reason a 19 year old in good physical health should be getting benefits..I'd even pay some taxes to MATCH a portion of what they earn as incentive. At least they'd be off the streets working instead of committing crimes. How about the employer pays $5/hour, and the Govt matches the other $5 in selected industries (NON UNION) that the government wants to promote?

3. WIC should only include STAPLES, no junk food or high end meat, BEANS AND TATERS ONLY. WIC is for SURVIVAL, NOT ENJOYMENT

4. Drug tests to qualify for government assistance. Take the kids away from those who can't pass - a child is still in better shape and has a better chance in foster care than with a deadbeat dopehead.

5. Make people so SOMETHING for benefits - pick up trash, dig a ditch, I don't care - the public service unions would cry foul, but our government does not exist for their paycheck.

That's just a start...go ahead, take your shots folks.

The bottom line is, if people want help, they need to find a way to CONTRIBUTE to our society other than breathing, eating and pooping. Right now the government incentivizes people to not work, have multiple kids they can't afford, do drugs and commit crime...

 

[Schexy1]

never said welfare should stop all-together. I specifically said "welfare fraud" to ensure the need to address abuse in the system. plz do not misquote me.

in fact this just goes to show nothing will ever change. The moment a lawmaker attempts to propose any positive legistation, he will be attacked relentlessly with scenarios of "date rape" victims and such as this guy just did. These type of tactics hinder progress....

Sorry if I misquoted you but by disease I assumed you ment welfare. With that being said, most legislation never takes into account the people who need it and that is why those scenarios are thrown in. But for clarification purposes, you don't need any new legisation to stop welfare fraud, just enforce the ones that are in place already and prosecute the criminals.

The problem is not with the system, but how it is managed.

 

[Snakers]

It is funny how everyone blames the Dems or Libs for the free handouts but fail to recognize that the other party that keeps passing the funding for these programs.

Stop listening to campaign promises and start looking at their voting records.


For all of you that think drug testing and working for assistance is the answer, what happens to the children of the parent who fail or refuse to work? Do we reopen orphanages and put them there? Do we just let them starve?

Don't just complain, offer a real solution.

Life is survival of the fittest. I have no problem letting the parents get coked out in the streets and dying. Its a choice.

But thats what happens when we ALLOW people to breed. Im all for having to meet qualifications to procreate. Everyone likes to say its a right to have children, but maybe not if you plan on taking care of them. Its not fair to your kids and society when you expect everyone else to take care of your kid for you.

 

[Schexy1]

I'm sorry, but not doing the right thing (cleaning up welfare) because it would cause more problems in another area is not a decent answer - it's the cowards and the socialists way out. Clean up welfare, then clean up foster care fraud. It's all ILLLEGAL.

Since you want specific plans, I'll tell you exactly what we need to do:

1. Close the border and send illegals home (There's a quick way to start freeing up tax dollars and giving job employment opportunities to help AMERICANS). Unemployment rate drops immediately because legal citizens will now have opportunities for jobs currently being held by illegals. Yes, prices will go up (I'd rather pay for services than give it away), but at least it levels the playing field in business....

I agree, but not just the illegals, all aliens. My last employer had more than 10% of it US labor force slated for foreigners. They claim there were not enough engineers in the US. Funny how they opened facilities in the countries where to engineers came from.

2. Start reducing welfare in stages over a 5 year period, 10% a year (WEAN people off the government dole). You should NEVER be able to get more money sitting around the house on your tail than you could working. NO reason a 19 year old in good physical health should be getting benefits..I'd even pay some taxes to MATCH a portion of what they earn as incentive. At least they'd be off the streets working instead of committing crimes. How about the employer pays $5/hour, and the Govt matches the other $5 in selected industries (NON UNION) that the government wants to promote?

That is actually how the system is designed; the problem is with the enforcement.

3. WIC should only include STAPLES, no junk food or high end meat, BEANS AND TATERS ONLY. WIC is for SURVIVAL, NOT ENJOYMENT

This was fought by food retailers.

4. Drug tests to qualify for government assistance. Take the kids away from those who can't pass - a child is still in better shape and has a better chance in foster care than with a deadbeat dopehead.

You are right but there are some bad foster parents.

5. Make people so SOMETHING for benefits - pick up trash, dig a ditch, I don't care - the public service unions would cry foul, but our government does not exist for their paycheck.

That's just a start...go ahead, take your shots folks.

The bottom line is, if people want help, they need to find a way to CONTRIBUTE to our society other than breathing, eating and pooping. Right now the government incentivizes people to not work, have multiple kids they can't afford, do drugs and commit crime...

I agree with what you are saying for the most part. But the truth is there are people on both sides fighting to keep things the way they are. If you look at how the system is set up, most of the things you suggest are already in place. The problem is no government agency at any level has tried to enforce the policies. It doesn’t matter who is in control, they are all the same. Because of our current economic situation a few Conservative/Republican/Tea Party members will make it seem like they are taking this issue on, but at the end of the day they will sell us out for consideration on another issue.

 

[fast08busa]

The first thing I would do involves building a 40’ wall around the state of Arizona or New Mexico. Not to knock them, but that is where all of the human trash would be disposed. As I see it, the only right we have is to be a benefit to our society, everything else is a privilege. More benefit = more privileges.

The more I say the more I will sound like a Dictator, So I will stop now because I don’t have a flame suit.

We already have a huge wall (or fence) here in arizona and people still get around, under, over it anyway, try it in new mexico, sounds like you all are doing a bang up job there anyway