The Massacre at the Batman Movie in Colorado.
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Oh, that's already started...
here is a quote from another forum....something to wrap your head around
This is a total PSYOP attack. Any coincidence Obama and Clinton are supposed to be signing the UN Small Arms Treaty next week? Just like TSA coming to all your sports stadiums. They tell you of multiple bomb threats to justify there reaction and sell it as the solution. PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION. All the while stripping your rights....voluntarily. 9/11-Patriot Act, anyone?
This is a total PSYOP attack. Any coincidence Obama and Clinton are supposed to be signing the UN Small Arms Treaty next week? Just like TSA coming to all your sports stadiums. They tell you of multiple bomb threats to justify there reaction and sell it as the solution. PROBLEM-REACTION-SOLUTION. All the while stripping your rights....voluntarily. 9/11-Patriot Act, anyone?
Brett its also strange how this guy chose a theater that has a no gun policy in a pro gun state.
Cinemark left its audience unarmed and defenseless with their policies.
Cinemark Theaters’ No Firearms Policy(CO)
Cinemark left its audience unarmed and defenseless with their policies.
Cinemark Theaters’ No Firearms Policy(CO)
SKnight
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I have a few thoughts. First, how in the Hell did he get in? Doors are supposed to be locked to prevent opening from the outside. The article says he propped open an outside door meaning that either he went through earlier and propped it or he had an accomplice. Something about this stinks and will probably unfold more in the coming days.
As for someone carrying and stopping him it's easy to train and say that yes I'd have stopped him. But until the situation is there you simply don't know. I can say that yes, most likely I'd have opened fire on him if I was able to get a tactical advantage, yes I said that. Exposing yourself just to get shot helps no one. Hitting him would have been reasonably easy, even smokeless powder with a flash suppressor can be seen in a dark room. The movie provides enough light to see figures at least and sometimes details. Distracted by the crowd he probably wouldn't notice you taking a measured first shot. However given his firepower you'd only get one, maybe two shots. Considering he was wearing gear, I know it says SWAT but no clear indication if it was bulletproof armor, it would have to be a good measured shot instead of a fast miss.
If you carry or plan to please get tactical training. A firearm is great power, learn to use it properly. I carry, I'm trained, I practice. However I also wonder how I'll react if in a similar situation. I've been shot at before and handled it well but every situation is different.
We do need to figure out how to stop this though, unfortunately the answer will come down as gun control/repeal of the 2nd amendment. Personally I feel that drawing and quartering the shooters and their accomplices is a good place to start.
As for someone carrying and stopping him it's easy to train and say that yes I'd have stopped him. But until the situation is there you simply don't know. I can say that yes, most likely I'd have opened fire on him if I was able to get a tactical advantage, yes I said that. Exposing yourself just to get shot helps no one. Hitting him would have been reasonably easy, even smokeless powder with a flash suppressor can be seen in a dark room. The movie provides enough light to see figures at least and sometimes details. Distracted by the crowd he probably wouldn't notice you taking a measured first shot. However given his firepower you'd only get one, maybe two shots. Considering he was wearing gear, I know it says SWAT but no clear indication if it was bulletproof armor, it would have to be a good measured shot instead of a fast miss.
If you carry or plan to please get tactical training. A firearm is great power, learn to use it properly. I carry, I'm trained, I practice. However I also wonder how I'll react if in a similar situation. I've been shot at before and handled it well but every situation is different.
We do need to figure out how to stop this though, unfortunately the answer will come down as gun control/repeal of the 2nd amendment. Personally I feel that drawing and quartering the shooters and their accomplices is a good place to start.
red1100cc
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all is not well in Colorado. i hope all my friends there are ok. im glad GPMO posted up.that means him and Deal are alright. im glad that you are ok my Friend.
lease: now if my friends in the Springs would just return my calls and texts. lease:
as for what would i have done.
i would have been one of the 1st shot, but i would have given it ALL i've got. i have hero syndrome and dress like a florescent yellow pylon cone.
lease: now if my friends in the Springs would just return my calls and texts. lease:as for what would i have done.
i would have been one of the 1st shot, but i would have given it ALL i've got. i have hero syndrome and dress like a florescent yellow pylon cone.
SKnight
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Unless they search you CC would be the way to go. If caught then only if you refuse to leave do you break a law and then it's trespassing.
Varies by state too so check your local laws. Ga used to have a "Public gathering" clause in their law but now specific events are listed. That reminds me, I need to refresh myself on what's current in Ga. I haven't checked in awhile.
SKnight
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Ah, missed that.
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TreyYoung
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So right. This PIECE OF TRASH was worried about anyone causing him harm (no resistance when ARMED officers confronted him). Reports say he had bullet resistant vest, kevlar helmet, GROIN PROTECTOR & THROAT PROTECTOR... Bottom line, TRASH is going to get weapons with or without gun control... Trash will find a way to cause harm to others regardless. Gun control will not stop these incidents (but qualified citizens with a weapon may have reduced the number injured)... Think about his apartment that was supposedly rigged to attract people, and then blow up when they open the door/window. There would have been no guns involved, but many people would have been injured or killed if they entered his apartment. Gun control will not stop TRASH from harming others.
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Here in michigan when you have a concealed pistol license cannot carry into a theater and you cannot open carry in one either. I believe if that was different things would be different cause i know personally i would have tried to stop him because i would rather die trying than die being a victim
I'll accept a trespass warning in order to try and protect my family and myself. This is a tragic event and I'm sorry that no one felt compelled, or was able, to step up and at least try to stop this dirt bag. I will say I'm picky about where I sit in a theater and I am always aware of where the exits/entrances are. If the report is true, I'm also surprised the door did not alarm after being propped open for a given period of time.
In reality we don't know what we would have done but most of us would have likely tried to stop the carnage if we could have registered what was happening. I'm sure my initial thoughts would be to get my party out!
In reality we don't know what we would have done but most of us would have likely tried to stop the carnage if we could have registered what was happening. I'm sure my initial thoughts would be to get my party out!
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Alright, waited to post here until i got caught up on everything, first off thanks for those that called, sent texts or messages on facebook. I'm fine, i was in bed 28 miles north of the theater at the time. But being i grew up down there, there was a substantially stressful few hours trying to located and make sure everyone was alright. For perspective i went to high school at gateway (where the witness's were being taken down the street from the theater). I knew for a fact 3 friends were going to see it, had 2 confirmed ok by 8am and the other finally was contacted around 1.
So thought i'd share how things kinda went down for me
about 1240 my phone starts ringing wakes me up, call from a buddy of mine who is aurora swat, "Hey where you at brother", Bed WTF dude, click hangs up. So get up take a leak, see a text from him says "got called in active shooter at century 16" Didnt register with me and i went back to sleep. Wake up at 330 for work to a slew of texts and missed calls asking if im ok, have i heard from so and so, got caught up on what was going on.
My best friend and his brothers were supposed to go, his youngest brother didnt have his driver license with him and wasnt able to get in so they went home, the other 3 were in the theater, 2 were at the other end and 1 was in theater 8 but uninjured.
Here's one for a close call Lady i used to work with, her daughter got a job there a week ago, her first job. I remembered this cause her mom was telling me how ironic it was that like 20 some odd years ago she got her first job with the same theater company in cali and started the same week as the batman movie. Her daughter got off at 1230, mom was waiting out front for her, they got on the highway and were wondering where all the cops were heading... First 911 call came in at 1239. Thank god someone was watching out for her this morning!!
Reported between the first 911 call was received and when the suspect was in handcuffs was 60-120 minutes... Very well done aurora pd.
I was almost angry when i heard he was not cooperating with police, there isnt a attorney in the world thats gonna talk your way out of this one, might as well give everything up!!
Agree 100% i take "gun free zones" case by case, beat me up over it if you will but way i see it is if i am deep concealed, dont cause problems, dont get myself "made", and they arent searching people at the door or have metal detectors i will carry. No one knows and if something does arise who is really gonna say "oh he stopped the gunman before he killed more, oh but he wasnt legal carrying there" I have always been uncomfortable in "gun free zones" with alot of people. To me its dangerous!! (goverment buildings excluded of course)
To be completely honest i do not recall any signs prohibiting firearms at this particular theater, and i was in there for MIB 3 just about a month ago, i have carried my firearm in there probably a dozen times at the least. Honestly I would not go to the town center without a firearm, its looks like a nice neighborhood in the videos, they have cleaned up that area alot, but the stench hasnt left (so to speak)
So thought i'd share how things kinda went down for me
about 1240 my phone starts ringing wakes me up, call from a buddy of mine who is aurora swat, "Hey where you at brother", Bed WTF dude, click hangs up. So get up take a leak, see a text from him says "got called in active shooter at century 16" Didnt register with me and i went back to sleep. Wake up at 330 for work to a slew of texts and missed calls asking if im ok, have i heard from so and so, got caught up on what was going on.
My best friend and his brothers were supposed to go, his youngest brother didnt have his driver license with him and wasnt able to get in so they went home, the other 3 were in the theater, 2 were at the other end and 1 was in theater 8 but uninjured.
Here's one for a close call Lady i used to work with, her daughter got a job there a week ago, her first job. I remembered this cause her mom was telling me how ironic it was that like 20 some odd years ago she got her first job with the same theater company in cali and started the same week as the batman movie. Her daughter got off at 1230, mom was waiting out front for her, they got on the highway and were wondering where all the cops were heading... First 911 call came in at 1239. Thank god someone was watching out for her this morning!!
Reported between the first 911 call was received and when the suspect was in handcuffs was 60-120 minutes... Very well done aurora pd.
I was almost angry when i heard he was not cooperating with police, there isnt a attorney in the world thats gonna talk your way out of this one, might as well give everything up!!
Agree 100% i take "gun free zones" case by case, beat me up over it if you will but way i see it is if i am deep concealed, dont cause problems, dont get myself "made", and they arent searching people at the door or have metal detectors i will carry. No one knows and if something does arise who is really gonna say "oh he stopped the gunman before he killed more, oh but he wasnt legal carrying there" I have always been uncomfortable in "gun free zones" with alot of people. To me its dangerous!! (goverment buildings excluded of course)
To be completely honest i do not recall any signs prohibiting firearms at this particular theater, and i was in there for MIB 3 just about a month ago, i have carried my firearm in there probably a dozen times at the least. Honestly I would not go to the town center without a firearm, its looks like a nice neighborhood in the videos, they have cleaned up that area alot, but the stench hasnt left (so to speak)
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Ten Years Ago…
Posted: July 19, 2012 in Uncategorized
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On Alvie’s recommendation, I just finished watching the miniseries Amerika. I highly recommend it if you haven’t seen it already. The base storyline is that back during the cold war era, the Soviet Union took over the UN (as opposed to the current communist cabal that runs the UN), and America was taken over by the UN in a (mostly) cold coup, supported by spineless politicians who thought they were “saving” the country from a nuclear holocaust. Anyhoo, the line from that movie that sparked this post was this, uttered by a minor character at a covert “town hall meeting” in rural Nebraska:
Ten years ago I buried my guns, because I didn’t know who to point them at.
That single line out of 13 hours or so of the miniseries struck me to the core. It struck me, because that is exactly where we are today. In fact, that whole movie is pretty much where we are today, minus the “UN Special Services” troops occupying our country. So far…
Americans “buried their guns” a long time ago, before I was born. In creeping little increments, the generations that came before me since the turn of the last century have ceded ever increasing chunks of my Liberty, before I even had a say in it, or a chance to fight against it. Starting with the “Federal” Reserve Act, which debased our currency and gave control of it over to private bankers. Followed by the 16th Amendment, which held me liable for government spending that occurred decades before I was even born. Which takes from me against my will that which I have earned. Social Security, Medicare, welfare… Nobody asked me if I wanted to participate in such things. It was forced upon me the minute I took my first job, here in the land of the “free”.
The “law of unintended consequences” personified, Prohibition in the 1920s and ’30s gave rise to the likes of Al Capone and the gangs that provided liquor to a willing public, and fought bitterly over territory. Those “Tommy” guns they employed to mow down their competition led to the automatic weapon ban which persists to this day. A restriction on my Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms which I had no hand in. No say. No chance. Sure, I could cough up the cash and get “permission” to have such a weapon, but that is not Freedom. That is “privilege”. I am neither a child, nor a prisoner (yet), so “privileges” be damned straight to HELL. I have RIGHTS. **** you who try to take those rights away from me.
The assaults against Liberty have piled up in the decades prior to my birth, and have accelerated at an astounding rate since, especially in the last decade and change. This country has fundamentally changed in my short lifetime, and changed in the six decades preceding my arrival. For the worse, not the better.
Through all these changes, the spark that ignited the Revolution, that idea that each and every one of us possessed Individual Liberty, has faded and died. It became about the collective. It became to be about the “greater good”. Well there is no greater good in my life than the good of myself and my family. And when I see the good of myself and my family taken away from me by main force, for the “greater good”, well then the greater good can kiss my hairy ass. I don’t give a damn about any “greater good” who thinks they have a right to gouge their sustenance out of my very flesh and blood. Out of the flesh and blood of my children which they deprive in their selfish pursuit. That’s right, it is those who would steal, yes, STEAL my livelihood who are selfish, not me for resenting it. I didn’t sign up for it, nor did I consent to it. Anyone who says I did consent by taking a job can go to Hell where they belong.
We have buried our guns as a people, both literally and figuratively. Some guns are buried in the dirt, in waterproof containers, just waiting on…. I don’t know what. Commie invasion? Too late, that happened a hundred years ago via Woodrow Wilson. Franklin D. Roosevelt reinforced it. As have most presidents and CONgress’ since then. Some guns are “buried” in gun safes. Some are “buried” on racks above the mantle. And some guns are buried in the minds of those who hope their boat won’t be rocked if they just keep their heads down and keep quiet. Maybe they won’t lose anything if they just behave themselves like good little Party members. Those who do lose, well that’s their fault, right? They should have toed the line and been “good little citizens”. They should have paid their taxes, done what they were told, and not made waves.
We are occupied today. We are occupied by a small class of people who have slowly, quietly taken control of our lives and our future. The longer we sit idly by, submitting to the usurpers in the hope that we might retain what little comfort we might still enjoy, the more we will lose in the end. It is coming to an end, you know. It can’t go on. No Ponzi scheme economy, no totalitarian regime has ever endured. History shows us that they will eventually come to a dramatic, chaotic, and violent end. Clinging to a sinking ship only guarantees drowning. This ship, this system, is going down. Freedom loving people will not allow it to continue. We will fight back. We are fighting back. And as more and more folks wake up from the socialist utopian dream, more and more of those guns will be dug up. The magazines will be loaded. The tyrants will fall. Choose your side. Choose wisely, because people are becoming more aware of just who to point those guns at. Freedom will not be denied. Dig up your guns.
Ten Years Ago…
Posted: July 19, 2012 in Uncategorized
15
On Alvie’s recommendation, I just finished watching the miniseries Amerika. I highly recommend it if you haven’t seen it already. The base storyline is that back during the cold war era, the Soviet Union took over the UN (as opposed to the current communist cabal that runs the UN), and America was taken over by the UN in a (mostly) cold coup, supported by spineless politicians who thought they were “saving” the country from a nuclear holocaust. Anyhoo, the line from that movie that sparked this post was this, uttered by a minor character at a covert “town hall meeting” in rural Nebraska:
Ten years ago I buried my guns, because I didn’t know who to point them at.
That single line out of 13 hours or so of the miniseries struck me to the core. It struck me, because that is exactly where we are today. In fact, that whole movie is pretty much where we are today, minus the “UN Special Services” troops occupying our country. So far…
Americans “buried their guns” a long time ago, before I was born. In creeping little increments, the generations that came before me since the turn of the last century have ceded ever increasing chunks of my Liberty, before I even had a say in it, or a chance to fight against it. Starting with the “Federal” Reserve Act, which debased our currency and gave control of it over to private bankers. Followed by the 16th Amendment, which held me liable for government spending that occurred decades before I was even born. Which takes from me against my will that which I have earned. Social Security, Medicare, welfare… Nobody asked me if I wanted to participate in such things. It was forced upon me the minute I took my first job, here in the land of the “free”.
The “law of unintended consequences” personified, Prohibition in the 1920s and ’30s gave rise to the likes of Al Capone and the gangs that provided liquor to a willing public, and fought bitterly over territory. Those “Tommy” guns they employed to mow down their competition led to the automatic weapon ban which persists to this day. A restriction on my Second Amendment right to keep and bear arms which I had no hand in. No say. No chance. Sure, I could cough up the cash and get “permission” to have such a weapon, but that is not Freedom. That is “privilege”. I am neither a child, nor a prisoner (yet), so “privileges” be damned straight to HELL. I have RIGHTS. **** you who try to take those rights away from me.
The assaults against Liberty have piled up in the decades prior to my birth, and have accelerated at an astounding rate since, especially in the last decade and change. This country has fundamentally changed in my short lifetime, and changed in the six decades preceding my arrival. For the worse, not the better.
Through all these changes, the spark that ignited the Revolution, that idea that each and every one of us possessed Individual Liberty, has faded and died. It became about the collective. It became to be about the “greater good”. Well there is no greater good in my life than the good of myself and my family. And when I see the good of myself and my family taken away from me by main force, for the “greater good”, well then the greater good can kiss my hairy ass. I don’t give a damn about any “greater good” who thinks they have a right to gouge their sustenance out of my very flesh and blood. Out of the flesh and blood of my children which they deprive in their selfish pursuit. That’s right, it is those who would steal, yes, STEAL my livelihood who are selfish, not me for resenting it. I didn’t sign up for it, nor did I consent to it. Anyone who says I did consent by taking a job can go to Hell where they belong.
We have buried our guns as a people, both literally and figuratively. Some guns are buried in the dirt, in waterproof containers, just waiting on…. I don’t know what. Commie invasion? Too late, that happened a hundred years ago via Woodrow Wilson. Franklin D. Roosevelt reinforced it. As have most presidents and CONgress’ since then. Some guns are “buried” in gun safes. Some are “buried” on racks above the mantle. And some guns are buried in the minds of those who hope their boat won’t be rocked if they just keep their heads down and keep quiet. Maybe they won’t lose anything if they just behave themselves like good little Party members. Those who do lose, well that’s their fault, right? They should have toed the line and been “good little citizens”. They should have paid their taxes, done what they were told, and not made waves.
We are occupied today. We are occupied by a small class of people who have slowly, quietly taken control of our lives and our future. The longer we sit idly by, submitting to the usurpers in the hope that we might retain what little comfort we might still enjoy, the more we will lose in the end. It is coming to an end, you know. It can’t go on. No Ponzi scheme economy, no totalitarian regime has ever endured. History shows us that they will eventually come to a dramatic, chaotic, and violent end. Clinging to a sinking ship only guarantees drowning. This ship, this system, is going down. Freedom loving people will not allow it to continue. We will fight back. We are fighting back. And as more and more folks wake up from the socialist utopian dream, more and more of those guns will be dug up. The magazines will be loaded. The tyrants will fall. Choose your side. Choose wisely, because people are becoming more aware of just who to point those guns at. Freedom will not be denied. Dig up your guns.
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