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InI want a R18 Transcontinental. I got to sit on one. It felt like 800 lbs.

I like the look of the nekkid version but the Continental looks like every twin cylinder cruiser from every other company. I saw an 18 at a dealer and those cylinders are HUGE. Sadly it doesn’t have very many ponies, surprisingly under 100 as I recall. And the Continental weighs in around 940 whereas the standard is just 760 or so.

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I like the look of the nekkid version but the Continental looks like every twin cylinder cruiser from every other company. I saw an 18 at a dealer and those cylinders are HUGE. Sadly it doesn’t have very many ponies, surprisingly under 100 as I recall. And the Continental weighs in around 940 whereas the standard is just 760 or so.

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I just want 900cc in each cylinder...

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As for how I got the K1600, my eyes weren't exactly open. I relied heavily on a friend's recommendation. I quickly learned that the K1600 riders can't bring themselves to admit it's a flawed bike. They love the prestige of owning an elite motorcycle. I'm not the type to front on a bike just I made a bad decision buying it. Also, a lot come from low-performance bikes like HDs. I did not paint mine it was the stock color. So you posted it, and I assume you were looking for opinions, so I offered mine.
You must not know many BMW riders because your perception is flawed, most K16 owners don't come from other low performance brands like HD, the R18 was BMW's attempt to lure Harley riders to the BMW brand. As for loving to ride BMW's because of the prestige factor is also not true, BMW riders ride BMW motorcycles because its the bike that best fits their riding needs. I've owned nine new BMW's including two K16's which both rocked, all were totally reliable, and all were fun to ride. The only BMW that was a problem child was my 2006 K1200S, good bike but bad fuel management that caused constant stalling and the transmission failed but was replaced under warreny. With that said every brand has issues including BMW so no brand is problem free. If you go over to any BMW forum you'll find guys love their BMW's not because of the BMW rondel but because they just love ridng BMW's like people love riding their Kawasaki's, Suzuki's or any other brand.

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You must not know many BMW riders because your perception is flawed, most K16 owners don't come from other low performance brands like HD, the R18 was BMW's attempt to lure Harley riders to the BMW brand. As for loving to ride BMW's because of the prestige factor is also not true, BMW riders ride BMW motorcycles because its the bike that best fits their riding needs. I've owned nine new BMW's including two K16's which both rocked, all were totally reliable, and all were fun to ride. The only BMW that was a problem child was my 2006 K1200S, good bike but bad fuel management that caused constant stalling and the transmission failed but was replaced under warreny. With that said every brand has issues including BMW so no brand is problem free. If you go over to any BMW forum you'll find guys love their BMW's not because of the BMW rondel but because they just love ridng BMW's like people love riding their Kawasaki's, Suzuki's or any other brand.
Yes, I can't count how many of you who've lectured me. I stand by my summation of the 2018 K1600; it's accurate. The K1600 was a bad bike, plain and simple. You can ride anything, and you can convince yourself it's good and even ignore it pulling to the left or the transmission blowing up. But how many people on the internet admit to writing a $30K check for a piece of junk? I am not a BMW hater BTW; my 1250 GS is the best bike I have ever owned, and I still love it. In fact, I'm looking at upgrading to the new 1300.

The bottom line if looked at objectively the GW is a better everything over the K1600. BTW: I have ridden with BMW guys for nearly 15 years now. I have been to BMW rallies, I quit going because the BMW guys insisted the K1300 was better than the Busa, only someone who's too stuffy to take their testicles on a ride could come to that conclusion! (couldn't resist that one)

Of course, this is my opinion. I'm sure @WuzzaCBXRider will draw his own conclusion.

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I do appreciate your opinion, thank you. I was merely taken aback as you seemed to be the only naysayer. Despite many high mileage examples around and a seemingly active forum I was shocked to see pages and pages of the GTL models for sale on Cycletrader. I see your pic and I had the paint job backwards. You had the Busa painted to match the BMW right?

Having such a short time to go I don’t know if I want to take on a 42 year old Six or even a 10 year old Six. Maybe an FJR or a Triumph Trophy SE would be better/easier to tour on. A shaft would be nice. As for longevity, I’m wondering what might be next for the Busa? Another tour would put the mileage around 85-86,000. Same clutch, same starter, same calipers and except for rotors, SS brake lines and some fork seals and wheel bearings, same everything.

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Goldwings
yeah...
I've seem em in the wild.
Kinda big, cute and fat looking.
But I figure anything that looks like that is kinda like the African hippo, super dangerous.
So, I give them a real wide berth.

Yer not even safe from them Goldwings in a boat


cheers
ken

P.S. This advice applies to wimmin too.

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I do appreciate your opinion, thank you. I was merely taken aback as you seemed to be the only naysayer. Despite many high mileage examples around and a seemingly active forum I was shocked to see pages and pages of the GTL models for sale on Cycletrader. I see your pic and I had the paint job backwards. You had the Busa painted to match the BMW right?

Having such a short time to go I don’t know if I want to take on a 42 year old Six or even a 10 year old Six. Maybe an FJR or a Triumph Trophy SE would be better/easier to tour on. A shaft would be nice. As for longevity, I’m wondering what might be next for the Busa? Another tour would put the mileage around 85-86,000. Same clutch, same starter, same calipers and except for rotors, SS brake lines and some fork seals and wheel bearings, same everything.
When I was on the BMW forum, honestly, a minority of people were speaking up. Everyone was having these issues; some people were okay living with them. I would post links to the forum, but the site appears to be down at the moment. Many riders ride around issues with a bike. Either they love the way the bike looks, or they love the way they look riding it, or maybe they love the sound. Like HD, the BMW is as much a culture as it is a bike.

The Busa has issues we all live with, and many don't even consider the issues a problem relative to their love of the bike's strengths. How much have we spent making the Busa lighter? Or the positively dangerous stock brakes. But fundamentally, the Busa is "right." It's simple, super fast, and the handling is stable and forgiving (especially with Ohlins).

I was attracted to the K1600 for its mechanical complexity. I wanted more sophistication than the Busa had. The K1600 is fascinatingly complicated. The brakes and the headlights are as good as it gets on 2 or 4 wheels. But I quickly realized that complexity didn't add up to much regarding riding experience. The magnificent six feels very ordinary when you swing a leg over it. The headlight that follows your turn for game-changing night vision costs $2K to replace. And then everything kept breaking. And there were the handling issues, too. The bottom line is I found the K intriguing, but I couldn't trust it.

If you can find one, the 1250 GS (or Adv) bike is for you. It's built for the road and is fun to ride, and you immediately realize why this bike is the most popular in the world. It feels like it has been developed over years of adventure. It's not an intercontinental tourer, but it's an excellent exploring bike and can go off-road. It's a BMW, so it's a bit complicated, but at least it feels like it's on your side.

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When I was on the BMW forum, honestly, a minority of people were speaking up. Everyone was having these issues; some people were okay living with them. I would post links to the forum, but the site appears to be down at the moment. Many riders ride around issues with a bike. Either they love the way the bike looks, or they love the way they look riding it, or maybe they love the sound. Like HD, the BMW is as much a culture as it is a bike.

The Busa has issues we all live with, and many don't even consider the issues a problem relative to their love of the bike's strengths. How much have we spent making the Busa lighter? Or the positively dangerous stock brakes. But fundamentally, the Busa is "right." It's simple, super fast, and the handling is stable and forgiving (especially with Ohlins).

I was attracted to the K1600 for its mechanical complexity. I wanted more sophistication than the Busa had. The K1600 is fascinatingly complicated. The brakes and the headlights are as good as it gets on 2 or 4 wheels. But I quickly realized that complexity didn't add up to much regarding riding experience. The magnificent six feels very ordinary when you swing a leg over it. The headlight that follows your turn for game-changing night vision costs $2K to replace. And then everything kept breaking. And there were the handling issues, too. The bottom line is I found the K intriguing, but I couldn't trust it.

If you can find one, the 1250 GS (or Adv) bike is for you. It's built for the road and is fun to ride, and you immediately realize why this bike is the most popular in the world. It feels like it has been developed over years of adventure. It's not an intercontinental tourer, but it's an excellent exploring bike and can go off-road. It's a BMW, so it's a bit complicated, but at least it feels like it's on your side.

Ok enough about this subject!
Hi. I was at a dealer that 2 BMW K1600's for sale a 2018 and a 2019 $18,995.00 and $19,995.00.

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I 2nd Willie on no to the 1600 . Yes to a RT , RS , GS , and run from a 1600 of any flavor . I almost bought a GW , and have miles on current and last generations . The F6B is a outstanding bike . Rear wheel / tire changes are easy . its a single sided swing arm with four lug nuts . Most guys just get a good moving blanket and lay the bike on the left side to remove wheel . Crazy thing is Walmart will mount . balance a rear wing wheel as it looks so much like a small Honda car wheel .
The real chore is air filter replacement , but all else is normal .

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Hi. I was at a dealer that 2 BMW K1600's for sale a 2018 and a 2019 $18,995.00 and $19,995.00.
Well, I was getting rid of mine in the middle of the transmission scare, but my $30K, year-old 2018 with 2,400 miles was only worth $12K at the BMW dealer. That's got to be a record for depreciation! And no other brand dealer would even take it. Honda said no and I was going to by a top-of-the-line GW to replace it!

Guess they have bounced back or people have forgotten that bike's history.

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I 2nd Willie on no to the 1600 . Yes to a RT , RS , GS , and run from a 1600 of any flavor . I almost bought a GW , and have miles on current and last generations . The F6B is a outstanding bike . Rear wheel / tire changes are easy . its a single sided swing arm with four lug nuts . Most guys just get a good moving blanket and lay the bike on the left side to remove wheel . Crazy thing is Walmart will mount . balance a rear wing wheel as it looks so much like a small Honda car wheel .
The real chore is air filter replacement , but all else is normal .

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Did you try the automatic? I thought it was pretty impressive but not perfect. Some odd low-gear choices at times. It was definitely programmed for the average GW rider!

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Yes, I can't count how many of you who've lectured me. I stand by my summation of the 2018 K1600; it's accurate. The K1600 was a bad bike, plain and simple. You can ride anything, and you can convince yourself it's good and even ignore it pulling to the left or the transmission blowing up. But how many people on the internet admit to writing a $30K check for a piece of junk? I am not a BMW hater BTW; my 1250 GS is the best bike I have ever owned, and I still love it. In fact, I'm looking at upgrading to the new 1300.

The bottom line if looked at objectively the GW is a better everything over the K1600. BTW: I have ridden with BMW guys for nearly 15 years now. I have been to BMW rallies, I quit going because the BMW guys insisted the K1300 was better than the Busa, only someone who's too stuffy to take their testicles on a ride could come to that conclusion! (couldn't resist that one)

Of course, this is my opinion. I'm sure @WuzzaCBXRider will draw his own conclusion.

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The K1300S was a good bike whether or not it was a better bike than a Hayabusa all depends on your riding style and expectations. I've never owned a Busa because I was never thrilled with the styling but I did own a 2017 ZX14R and in my opinion the Kawasaki was every bit as good a bike as my 2009 K1300S but the BMW was more advanced technically. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the K16, both of my bikes were flawless so no regrets about owning them and if it weren't for the weight I wouldn't mind owning a third. I also love my 2020 GSA, one of the best bikes I've owned and my go to bike for most rides.

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Did you try the automatic? I thought it was pretty impressive but not perfect. Some odd low-gear choices at times. It was definitely programmed for the average GW rider!
Manual only for this guy . No DCT . The DCT has many a fall over due to weight and lack of control to TCB ( throttle Clutch brake )

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The K1300S was a good bike whether or not it was a better bike than a Hayabusa all depends on your riding style and expectations. I've never owned a Busa because I was never thrilled with the styling but I did own a 2017 ZX14R and in my opinion the Kawasaki was every bit as good a bike as my 2009 K1300S but the BMW was more advanced technically. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the K16, both of my bikes were flawless so no regrets about owning them and if it weren't for the weight I wouldn't mind owning a third. I also love my 2020 GSA, one of the best bikes I've owned and my go to bike for most rides.
Well, see there? I agree 100% on the GS series. It is my go-to bike too.

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Well, see there? I agree 100% on the GS series. It is my go-to bike too.
Have you BT moto tuned your GS ? I e mailed BT yesterday with my RS mods , and they replied back saying they would love to tune my RS .
Davids 23 GS getting its 1st set of tires . Found leak in front tire no one could . it was the valve stem seal . He didnt want to wait of warranty or a month of no GS .

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Have you BT moto tuned your GS ? I e mailed BT yesterday with my RS mods , and they replied back saying they would love to tune my RS .
Davids 23 GS getting its 1st set of tires . Found leak in front tire no one could . it was the valve stem seal . He didnt want to wait of warranty or a month of no GS .

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Yeah, I did the stage 1 tune. No significant difference but it did make the 1 to 2 shift less notchy. On the GS 1st gear is really low for off road so when you shift to 2nd, the bike jumps.

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Yeah, I did the stage 1 tune. No significant difference but it did make the 1 to 2 shift less notchy. On the GS 1st gear is really low for off road so when you shift to 2nd, the bike jumps.

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thanks for the input . @ 8XX dollars stage 1 and another 299 for stage 2 that is 3D printed stacks I'm thinking to pass .

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thanks for the input . @ 8XX dollars stage 1 and another 299 for stage 2 that is 3D printed stacks I'm thinking to pass .
I also did the updater tool (rather than sending them the ECU), so it was a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Bren Tuning is a first-class group (especially with BMWs), but the GS is an interesting bike. The Hayabusa is a canvas you can make into whatever you want (that's intended as a compliment). The GS is a highly evolved and specialized adventure tool; what it does it does really well. Besides, I think it might be pretty easy to overpower the wishbone front end and those big jugs sticking out of either side of the engine! I haven't changed anything on the bike; I just ride it. I was looking at a lockable glove box but decided I could open the saddle bag. I did go to a Corbin seat. Other than that, it's just like it rolled off the showroom floor.

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I also did the updater tool (rather than sending them the ECU), so it was a bit more. Don't get me wrong, Bren Tuning is a first-class group (especially with BMWs), but the GS is an interesting bike. The Hayabusa is a canvas you can make into whatever you want. The GS is a highly evolved and specialized adventure tool; what it does it does really well. Besides, I think it might be pretty easy to overpower the wishbone front end and those big jugs sticking out of either side of the engine! I haven't changed anything on the bike; I just ride it. I was looking at a lockable glove box but decided I could open the saddle bag. I did go to a Corbin seat. Other than that, it's just like it rolled off the showroom floor.
BMW had a lot of years and riders put many miles on the R series bikes so BMW knew exactly what they were doing when they made them....

My brother who is a long time BMW rider and has logged quite a few hundred thousand miles on his bikes (over 500,000) and knows many others who have done this also will swear by the R series bikes....(he tells me the older ones are far more reliable when they get into the hundreds of thousands of mileage).

When I went to a BMW rally with him I was surprised at how many million mile pin wearers there were there....and in that rally they were honoring 5 more, their bikes were on display and one of them looked like it rolled off the showroom while the others looked like they rode a million miles-all were R bikes....

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When I was on the BMW forum, honestly, a minority of people were speaking up. Everyone was having these issues; some people were okay living with them. I would post links to the forum, but the site appears to be down at the moment. Many riders ride around issues with a bike. Either they love the way the bike looks, or they love the way they look riding it, or maybe they love the sound. Like HD, the BMW is as much a culture as it is a bike.

The Busa has issues we all live with, and many don't even consider the issues a problem relative to their love of the bike's strengths. How much have we spent making the Busa lighter? Or the positively dangerous stock brakes. But fundamentally, the Busa is "right." It's simple, super fast, and the handling is stable and forgiving (especially with Ohlins).

I was attracted to the K1600 for its mechanical complexity. I wanted more sophistication than the Busa had. The K1600 is fascinatingly complicated. The brakes and the headlights are as good as it gets on 2 or 4 wheels. But I quickly realized that complexity didn't add up to much regarding riding experience. The magnificent six feels very ordinary when you swing a leg over it. The headlight that follows your turn for game-changing night vision costs $2K to replace. And then everything kept breaking. And there were the handling issues, too. The bottom line is I found the K intriguing, but I couldn't trust it.

If you can find one, the 1250 GS (or Adv) bike is for you. It's built for the road and is fun to ride, and you immediately realize why this bike is the most popular in the world. It feels like it has been developed over years of adventure. It's not an intercontinental tourer, but it's an excellent exploring bike and can go off-road. It's a BMW, so it's a bit complicated, but at least it feels like it's on your side.

Ok enough about this subject!

Looking thru the threads on the K1600 forum I finally found a discussion about the ‘weave’ and a ‘floating’ feeling in the front end. Most it seems we’re relying on the temp controlled TPMS system and running upwards of 41-2-3 psi in the tires. They said the manual recommends 42 as a cold setting psi. Most also said that they/we should just get used to it, that it’s not dangerous. :confused: I realize it’s got a very trick suspension front and rear and it weighs in around the mid 700 pound range but…I also see that the earlier models had 160 ponies but the later models got their power reduced. Funny, around the same time I read about the handling issue I answered an ad for a low mileage 2014 GT fairly close by but so far no response.
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