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The New York Bill that Would Ban Anonymous Online Speech


Watching faceless online passerby troll bloggers or mock fellow scribblers can be a drag, but what if legislators’ answer to online ne’er-do-wells was to ban anonymous comments from websites entirely? That’s what the state of New York is planning to do in identical bills — S.6779 and A.8688 – proposed by the New York State Assembly that would “amend the civil rights lawâ€￾ in order to “[protect] a person’s right to know who is behind an anonymous internet posting.â€￾

The bill would require a web administrator to “upon request remove any comments posted on his or her web site by an anonymous poster unless such anonymous poster agrees to attach his or her name to the post and confirms that his or her IP address, legal name, and home address are accurate.â€￾ By “web site,â€￾ the bill means just what it seems to: Any New York-based website, including “social networks, blogs forums, message boards or any other discussion site where people can hold conversations in the form of posted messages.â€￾

S.6779 is dated March 21, 2012, and stipulates that it will take effect 90 days after becoming law — neither bill has been voted on yet.

Wired noticed the bills on Tuesday and immediately pointed out the disparity between the legislation’s tenets and the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which stipulates:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

While the First Amendment doesn’t specify anonymous speech, the Electronic Frontier Foundations notes that the U.S. Supreme Court “has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment.â€￾ Consider the Supreme Court ruling in McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Commission (1995), says the EFF, in which the Court ruled that an Ohio statute prohibiting “campaign literature that does not contain the name and address of the person or campaign official issuing the literatureâ€￾ was unconstitutional. Noting that â€￾[the] decision in favor of anonymity may be motivated by fear of economic or official retaliation, by concern about social ostracism, or merely by a desire to preserve as much of one’s privacy as possible,â€￾ the Court wrote:

Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical minority views … Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority … It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation … at the hand of an intolerant society.

Jump three decades further back to Talley v. California (1960), a Court case involving a similar Los Angeles ordinance relating to handbills (fliers) and a requirement that they include the full names and addresses of sponsors (the Court voided the ordinance). Writing for the Court, Justice Black noted:

Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and even books have played an important role in the progress of mankind. Persecuted groups and sects from time to time throughout history have been able to criticize oppressive practices and laws either anonymously or not at all.

Moreover, Black noted that the Federalist Papers, “written in favor of the adoption of our Constitution, were published under fictitious names,â€￾ i.e. had anonymous speech been unlawful at the time, authors Alexander Hamilton, James Madison and John Jay would have been forced to disclose their real names (or the Papers would perhaps have simply remained unpublished)

“It is plain that anonymity has sometimes been assumed for the most constructive purposes,â€￾ concluded Black.

So the proposed New York legislation is a head-scratcher. Wired notes that it stems from an attempt to combat cyber-bullying, referencing an opinion piece by New York Republican Assemblyman Jim Conte, who argues the bill would “[turn] the spotlight on cyber-bullies by forcing them to reveal their identity or have their post removed.â€￾ And Betabeat reports that the bill started with New York Assemblyman Dean Murray, who was himself anonymously accused of domestic violence toward his ex-wife and son in 2010. “The thing that disturbed me the most about it was, once everything was proven false, there was no way to get the comments down,â€￾ said Murray. “The important thing here is to give the victims a voice and an opportunity to protect themselves.â€￾

Good intentions or no, UCLA law professor Eugene Volokh tells The Daily Caller that the bill won’t pass Constitutional muster, referencing the Talley v. California case and noting that there’s already precedent for unmasking libelous commenters. “If you say something anonymously and it is libelous, I could go to court for an order to identify you,â€￾ he told TDC.

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I hope this hits a dead end quick!!!

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its absolutely ridiculous how much they are trying to censor us and control what we do

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Wow, fredom of speech on the net at a cost of your life privacy truly being wordwide.

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I doubt the law would infringe on the trolls, just the rest of us.

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Well, the bill sponsors are only trying to protect us. We should be grateful.



(heavy with dripping sarcasm, unless anybody failed to notice. :banghead:)

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I don't agree with this at all, BUT it sure would be nice to know where people live that talk a lot of "S" like on XBOX LIVE. If it would apply to that type of thing. I hate those little pricks...

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Well, the bill sponsors are only trying to protect us. We should be grateful.

I don't agree with this at all, BUT it sure would be nice to know where people live that talk a lot of "S" like on XBOX LIVE. If it would apply to that type of thing. I hate those little pricks...

Looks to me they are making it a dangerous world, knowing who and where everyone is at all times. That Xbox 360 game with a mike just became some vengefull kid outside your window at 2:00 am.

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Wow wonder how much longer we will have any of our rights left. Also I wouldn't want some punk kid knowing where I live for any video game. You will piss him off and with kids these days you don't know what they will do just because they lost.

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While I totally don't agree with this I feel the need to point out this is one proposed bill with only one sponsor. >>> Bills <<<

Do we have any idea how many in the NY state legislature have signed onto it or agreed in theory to it? My guess is a couple nuts formulated this because they have nothing else better to do (yeah right) and the majority won't give it the time of day when it comes up. It is scary that there are ones in power who think like this though.

Besides I don't have a problem with letting people know what I say or who said it.

My name is Saiid and Sen O'mara from NY is a buttwad!

See no probs :laugh:

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I don't agree with this at all, BUT it sure would be nice to know where people live that talk a lot of "S" like on XBOX LIVE. If it would apply to that type of thing. I hate those little pricks...


Tired of getting your butt whipped by 8 year olds eh?








Me too :laugh:

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heh and you wonder why I wouldnt have a truck load o ammo shipped into the place that would sponsor such rubbish craptola laws? I'm tellin ya we are sliding down a slippery slope and while I dont think you'll see civil war, I think folks better wake up and realize that you cannot legislate your way to safety, intelligence or prosperity. The world managed to come this far without the laws and did so fairly well. We need ditch diggers as much as we need brain surgeons :whistle: and stupid should hurt :laugh:

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remember...the folks we elect for these positions are more qualified for them because they can afford the cost of a campaign and well just must know better than us because they have money..

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Big brother has stopped watching and is now acting for your own good, or so they say. Sad, Sad, state of affairs. :rulez: :banghead:

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Political correctness run amok.

What's happening here is some do-gooder thinks that creating another law does something and makes them feel good about it, without understanding the consequences, when, none of this would happen if the original offender acted like an adult and exercised a modicum of self-control and personal accountabiltiy.

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make some phone calls, send some e-mails!
i will look into the facts of the bill and contact who i can.


I don't agree with this at all, BUT it sure would be nice to know where people live that talk a lot of "S" like on XBOX LIVE. If it would apply to that type of thing. I hate those little pricks...

:laugh: reminds me of Jay & Silent Bob going around with their list from moviepoopshoot.com and kickin little kid butt. :laugh:
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