Pops and Bangs Tune ?

[sixpack577]

Titanium motorcycle exhausts have been common for over 20 years, with no reports of common failures, if any at all.
Aftermarket automotive titanium exhaust tends to be numerous pie-cuts welded together, and are subject to much more vibration.
Apples to oranges comparisons.
Old Brocks, Akropovic, and even Ti-Force(if you can find one) titanium exhausts still don't fail, and neither does Suzuki's low grade oem '01-'04 titanium headers, midpipes, and mufflers don't fail.
My 40k mile '03 titanium header has no cracks or damage either.
To each their own...but there is nothing wrong with titanium motorcycle exhausts, as there is simply no evidence to prove otherwise.

[Equanimous]

I quick Google search found a few references to cracked bike Ti exhausts, mostly around the header welds. But most of the posts are quite old, and I can't find any evidence that good brands, like Akrapovic, have any issues with Ti cracking. There's a lot of forum speak about Ti being more brittle and more prone to cracking compared to steel, which makes sense, but if they can make sub's and the SR71 out of it, then I'm sure a motorcycle exhaust with good quality Ti will be ok.

[Spudley]

Never been a big pops and bangs type of enthusiast. I know it's popular in the tuner communities. Simple because it sounds different. When we were younger if we downshift out of high rpm and it pops or what have you, it was typically an exhaust leak. I prefer a clean wind up and a clean wind down but that's just my opinion I'm not sure how this became so popular amongst the community whether you're in the Bike community or the car community that appreciates proper tuning.

[Mythos]

The subset of customers buying titanium in 2025-26, in other words, are suckers who probably got duped by marketing into buying a not so great product.

Well, actually I went for the hp figures that have been known for the last 17 years and it just so happened they made that exhaust out of titanium so I bought it.

So wrapping it or ceramic coating it will reduce strength / increase the brittleness of the metal. If it's stainless that is. I suspect inconel is better but don't know.

My ceramic coated coated stainless steel Tsukigi exhaust lasted 14 years with no indication of problems. I think that was about 30 thousand miles. Lots of sport riding in highish rpm as much as possible on the street. ...so I go back to, "where are all the posts about titanium exhausts failing"? We talk about them but we don't see them. If mine takes a crap on me, I'll be the first to report it but wouldn't there be lots of others before me who would do the same?

[dcnblues]

I quick Google search found a few references to cracked bike Ti exhausts, mostly around the header welds. But most of the posts are quite old, and I can't find any evidence that good brands, like Akrapovic, have any issues with Ti cracking. There's a lot of forum speak about Ti being more brittle and more prone to cracking compared to steel, which makes sense, but if they can make sub's and the SR71 out of it, then I'm sure a motorcycle exhaust with good quality Ti will be ok.

Well there's motorcycles that never get dropped on their sides, never hit traffic cones or rocks or crap falling off a car on the freeway, never get bumped into things when being pushed around a garage or had something in the garage hit it, right in the exhaust, and then there's the ones I've had which get dinged up after tens of thousands of miles of riding them. Not to mention just installing and fitting the damn things which in my experience usually involves some swearing, almost always a little creative bending, and even just tightening the damn header bolts. The more I read about titanium the less peace of mind I would have just doing that. Plus the cheap digital scales that weren't around in the old days pushing the manufacturers to get them as thin and light as possible because every customer is going to be weighing them. Those welds on the curves do not appeal to me compared to stainless. I'd much rather have smooth lines even if it was one or two pounds heavier. And every time a rock dinged off my exhaust, I'd probably start getting paranoid about header leaks and start listening for that sound. Titanium would not be my choice on a car or a bike...

[Sl@Sh]

Titanium motorcycle exhausts have been common for over 20 years, with no reports of common failures, if any at all.
Aftermarket automotive titanium exhaust tends to be numerous pie-cuts welded together, and are subject to much more vibration.
Apples to oranges comparisons.
Old Brocks, Akropovic, and even Ti-Force(if you can find one) titanium exhausts still don't fail, and neither does Suzuki's low grade oem '01-'04 titanium headers, midpipes, and mufflers don't fail.
My 40k mile '03 titanium header has no cracks or damage either.
To each their own...but there is nothing wrong with titanium motorcycle exhausts, as there is simply no evidence to prove otherwise.

Hit ducati or ktm forums and you will see different stories about Ti exhaust failures, inline 4 are smooth engines, V twins arent
Personally Ive had Ti to crack on ktm superduke check how many welds this exhaust is having KTM 1290/1390 SUPERDUKE R/RR 2020-2025: RS2 FULL EXHAUST SYSTEM – Austin Racing Exhausts – Australia
As well depends on the rider if you just cruising even aliuminium one will hold if you beat sh*t out of your bike it is different story.

[sixpack577]

Hit ducati or ktm forums and you will see different stories about Ti exhaust failures, inline 4 are smooth engines, V twins arent
Personally Ive had Ti to crack on ktm superduke check how many welds this exhaust is having KTM 1290/1390 SUPERDUKE R/RR 2020-2025: RS2 FULL EXHAUST SYSTEM – Austin Racing Exhausts – Australia
As well depends on the rider if you just cruising even aliuminium one will hold if you beat sh*t out of your bike it is different story.

Yes, V-twins do vibrate more...but you said the magic words...Ducati and KTM.
Those 2 brands have more regular issues with maintenance and parts failures than everything Japanese combined.
I know people that have and do own both.
Some are ok...but most always have some issue going on with them.

[sixpack577]

Well, actually I went for the hp figures that have been known for the last 17 years and it just so happened they made that exhaust out of titanium so I bought it.


My ceramic coated coated stainless steel Tsukigi exhaust lasted 14 years with no indication of problems. I think that was about 30 thousand miles. Lots of sport riding in highish rpm as much as possible on the street. ...so I go back to, "where are all the posts about titanium exhausts failing"? We talk about them but we don't see them. If mine takes a crap on me, I'll be the first to report it but wouldn't there be lots of others before me who would do the same?

You are correct; where are all these titanium motorcycle exhaust problems at??
Yeah...I don't know either.
And as far as the bike falling over, or being struck by road debris...I guess that some people just don't realise how Strong that titanium is...light weight, high strength is it's selling point.
There is sadly poor quality junk in every market of every product that we can think of these days too, no matter what it is.
Some people personally dislike certain things for whatever reason, and that is fine...but not an excuse to spread information that has no backing.
I like the comment about about the SR-71 Blackbird too.
A jet that leaked fuel on the runway, because of intentional gaps in assembled parts...gaps that closed up from heat expansion from extreme engine heat, and heat from extreme pressure from speed...and in a freezing cold environment...in service for decades...and made of...titanium.
Consider that there are also full titanium exhausts from Ti-Force that are still on Busas and other bikes that are 25+ years old now, with the same from Akropovic, Brocks, and others.
And if there were all of these titanium exhaust failures and short life spans; don't you think that it would've shown up on the org somewhere at some point?
And of course any part can fail at any time, due to an accident, a bad weld, or an air pocket in the metal from when the raw material was forged, but those things would be pretty obvious.
And if titanium exhausts were failing regulary...the aftermarket and riders would've given up on them a long time ago.
Don't worry about a titanium motorcycle exhaust from a reputable brand...it is fine.

[Bumblebee]

You are correct; where are all these titanium motorcycle exhaust problems at??
Yeah...I don't know either.
And as far as the bike falling over, or being struck by road debris...I guess that some people just don't realise how Strong that titanium is...light weight, high strength is it's selling point.
There is sadly poor quality junk in every market of every product that we can think of these days too, no matter what it is.
Some people personally dislike certain things for whatever reason, and that is fine...but not an excuse to spread information that has no backing.
I like the comment about about the SR-71 Blackbird too.
A jet that leaked fuel on the runway, because of intentional gaps in assembled parts...gaps that closed up from heat expansion from extreme engine heat, and heat from extreme pressure from speed...and in a freezing cold environment...in service for decades...and made of...titanium.
Consider that there are also full titanium exhausts from Ti-Force that are still on Busas and other bikes that are 25+ years old now, with the same from Akropovic, Brocks, and others.
And if there were all of these titanium exhaust failures and short life spans; don't you think that it would've shown up on the org somewhere at some point?
And of course any part can fail at any time, due to an accident, a bad weld, or an air pocket in the metal from when the raw material was forged, but those things would be pretty obvious.
And if titanium exhausts were failing regulary...the aftermarket and riders would've given up on them a long time ago.
Don't worry about a titanium motorcycle exhaust from a reputable brand...it is fine.

The Hindle full Ti system I had on my old Bandit was perfect, the welds were strong and I never had any issues with it at all even when I was knocked off it by a car at a stop sign where it fell on the "can" side.....

Just like you said, poor quality exists in all things......especially these days....

[sixpack577]

The Hindle full Ti system I had on my old Bandit was perfect, the welds were strong and I never had any issues with it at all even when I was knocked off it by a car at a stop sign where it fell on the "can" side.....

Just like you said, poor quality exists in all things......especially these days....

Yep, I forgot about Hindle(who manufactured Brocks exhaust too, or at least did for a long time)
as they made some really high quality and high performing exhausts.

[Mythos]

Consider that there are also full titanium exhausts from Ti-Force that are still on Busas and other bikes that are 25+ years old now, with the same from Akropovic, Brocks, and others.

I remember Ti-Force and I remember the brand going off the market. There were a few popular exhausts that are no longer available.

Yep, I forgot about Hindle(who manufactured Brocks exhaust too, or at least did for a long time)
as they made some really high quality and high performing exhausts.

So they said, there was a Hindle that looked identical to an Alienhead except it had a Hindle emblem instead of Brocks. I got the CT Meg for my 14R and I haven't even removed the bubble wrap yet to avoid marking it up with fingerprints.

[sixpack577]

I remember Ti-Force and I remember the brand going off the market. There were a few popular exhausts that are no longer available.


So they said, there was a Hindle that looked identical to an Alienhead except it had a Hindle emblem instead of Brocks. I got the CT Meg for my 14R and I haven't even removed the bubble wrap yet to avoid marking it up with fingerprints.

The Ti-Force plant was damaged, as it was near the Fukishima nuclear reactor that was also damaged by an earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan almost 15 years ago, and Ti-Force never recovered.
Their exhausts made more power than any other on a Gen1 Busa, and other bikes, they weren't just fancy titanium, but their engineering of just the right bends and diameters of pipes was second to none.

[Mythos]

Their exhausts made more power than any other on a Gen1 Busa, and other bikes, they weren't just fancy titanium, but their engineering of just the right bends and diameters of pipes was second to none.

If Ti-Force was doing some incredible R&D, other Japanese exhausts might have been doing it too. I came across a lucky buy on this pipe for my Gen2 and I never regretted a thing except being able to get the bike on a dyno. Not Ti but I have no doubt this exhaust would be like new after the engine had seen it's better days. Mine doesn't even have discoloration after 13 years. Only cosmetic damage to the one on the ZX-14 I crashed and that mofo rolled. This pipe was discussed on another recent thread and I'm giving it two thumbs up. Never caught on but had a cult following and some pretty good evidence that it was outdoing Brock's. ...just a bit heavier because it's all stainless steel. I'm seriously considering getting another for my Gen3. Our forum buddy tipped me off they're available on Webbike Japan. LOL I paid $600 for the one I bought for my Gen2 in 2012. This is loud. For some reason it's just about as loud as I can stand on a ZX-14 but on the busa, maybe about perfect. but it is loud. Gen3 205 hp, I'm saying not without some other ECU tweaks but 205 is good with me.

...yes, absolutely Tsukigi did some extra work on the Hayabusa's pipe compared to the ZX-14's. The 14's is just a bent pipe. The Busa headers change diameter and require some additional welds but looking at it, that tells me they did some testing instead of just making the same pipe to fit another bike.

[stangman327]

I remember Ti-Force and I remember the brand going off the market. There were a few popular exhausts that are no longer available.


So they said, there was a Hindle that looked identical to an Alienhead except it had a Hindle emblem instead of Brocks. I got the CT Meg for my 14R and I haven't even removed the bubble wrap yet to avoid marking it up with fingerprints.

75-0274 Hindle Evolution Full System Suzuki Hayabusa

Nearly 40 years of research and development has made Hindle a worldwide leader in performance aftermarket exhaust systems. The focus of Hindle designs is derived from founder Lang Hindle- whose pedigree includes decades of winning races and championships at the top levels of racing in North...

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[stangman327]

75-0274 Hindle Evolution Full System Suzuki Hayabusa

Nearly 40 years of research and development has made Hindle a worldwide leader in performance aftermarket exhaust systems. The focus of Hindle designs is derived from founder Lang Hindle- whose pedigree includes decades of winning races and championships at the top levels of racing in North...

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Not as polished looking as the Brock's CT but dang its a FULL system for that price!!! $1104.99

[Mythos]

Not as polished looking as the Brock's CT but dang its a FULL system for that price!!! $1104.99

I think it looks just fine! Click all the photos, I'd say it looks more polished than the CT meg. That CF one is gorgeous but I'm sure you'd be spending another grand for that. It looks like the 14" tail mount muffler with mid pipe. I have it on good authority that the the 17" shorty (longer muffler but exits behind the footrest) is a lighter full system that makes better hp ....but maybe Hindle makes that one too! There's your possible answer to a SS full system with CF muffler that we would assume makes the best hp. I remember hearing about this exhaust years ago. I wish I'd have done some research before jumping on the CT meg. Thanks for the tip! The new Haybusa will need a good pipe someday.

[stangman327]

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Hideous..

[sixpack577]

I think it looks just fine! Click all the photos, I'd say it looks more polished than the CT meg. That CF one is gorgeous but I'm sure you'd be spending another grand for that. It looks like the 14" tail mount muffler with mid pipe. I have it on good authority that the the 17" shorty (longer muffler but exits behind the footrest) is a lighter full system that makes better hp ....but maybe Hindle makes that one too! There's your possible answer to a SS full system with CF muffler that we would assume makes the best hp. I remember hearing about this exhaust years ago. I wish I'd have done some research before jumping on the CT meg. Thanks for the tip! The new Haybusa will need a good pipe someday.

The cf muffler costs $195 more

[TrueGrit]