Fox fires Tucker Carlson

[MonkeyButtRides]

I'm actually going to disagree. I think Obama was a moral man. He showed a lot more family values than most Dems before and after him.

He had a better presidential presence than anyone since Ronald Reagan.

He made some bad policy decisions that got us in trouble as a country. But he was still a good moral man as far as I'm concerned.

Actually, I had a follow up post and I think we agree on Obama and Reagan and I also added Bush to that list (the first one, H.W.) in terms of Moral presidents.

[TallTom]

Just for the record, I wish we could have moral politicians, as for Presidents. Bush 41 and Obama were probably the closest to having any kind of moral compass in my lifetime, maybe put Regan in there as well but he had has issues too, ask Oliver North and his economy was horrible. Trickle down economics doesn't even pass the smell test to someone who can think logically.


True.

Reagan's economy carried us thru Bush and Clinton! Once he outspent Russia and collapsed them, our economy never looked back. Call it whatever you want. America in the 80s was historic. We all got along, because we all were prospering. More of us lived better than worse. $$ was flowing to more people then since then.

[MonkeyButtRides]

I wasn't my whole life. But Clinton was what made me decide I wasn't going to stay in it. But yeah he didn't spend those trillions. We felt that for about a decade or so.

Why did Clinton made you decide that? Right after Clinton we had the 2nd Bush and government expanded by staggering amounts. I watched programs grow overnight supporting wars, Homeland Defense, add to that the Bush tax cuts (some of which still exist today), two billion dollar wars, housing and wall street deregulation that led to a crashing, failing economy that the right tried to blame Obama for when everything came crashing down before he was even sworn in. My point is shortly after Clinton government contracting grew tremendously.

[MonkeyButtRides]

Reagan's economy carried us thru Bush and Clinton! America in the 80s was historic.

Did you own a home in the 80's? Reagan had budget deficits every year, he grew the national debt, everything that the right complains about when there is a Democratic president?? Interest rates were insane in the 80's. His economy was horrible! The only thing he did good was Russia and the berlin wall. I lived in Germany right before the wall fell and the I remember the Mark to Dollar rate during the middle of his presidency it was poop and fell like a rock.

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even ronnies own advisor and “architect” of trickle down, d. stockman, said “reganomics”was a horrible idea. old ronnie still peddled it to congress and pushed it through. lowering tax on the rich, increased taxes for working class & social security, smh. his dirty laundry list can keep going with the hostages in iran, the contras/cocaine, crack epidemic, “offshoring” jobs to china…
slick willy clinton cuts to defense budgets, lowers taxes on low income people, raised taxes on >$200k/yr, and created a budget surplus. however he cheated on his wife with a young intern and lied about it. all of sudden he is the worst president. the GOP touted economic failure with clinton’s plan but the opposite happened. ronnie, bush jr, and mr orange, push the GOP lower taxes on the rich bs and what happens.

[TallTom]

Did you own a home in the 80's? Reagan had budget deficits every year, he grew the national debt, everything that the right complains about when there is a Democratic president?? Interest rates were insane in the 80's. His economy was horrible! The only thing he did good was Russia and the berlin wall. I lived in Germany right before the wall fell and the I remember the Mark to Dollar rate during the middle of his presidency it was poop and fell like a rock.

Yes I bought my first home in the Jimmy Carter interest rates days. 16%. I remember it well. Not sure if it was ever higher in the history of America. But it was the highest I ever paid. I refinanced down during the Reagan administration. Twice.

[TallTom]

even ronnies own advisor and “architect” of trickle down, d. stockman, said “reganomics”was a horrible idea. old ronnie still peddled it to congress and pushed it through. lowering tax on the rich, increased taxes for working class & social security, smh. his dirty laundry list can keep going with the hostages in iran, the contras/cocaine, crack epidemic, “offshoring” jobs to china…
slick willy clinton cuts to defense budgets, lowers taxes on low income people, raised taxes on >$200k/yr, and created a budget surplus. however he cheated on his wife with a young intern and lied about it. all of sudden he is the worst president. the GOP touted economic failure with clinton’s plan but the opposite happened. ronnie, bush jr, and mr orange, push the GOP lower taxes on the rich bs and what happens.

I'm pretty sure I said that I agreed Clinton was the best fiscally responsible Democrat fielded in half a century.

As far as I'm concerned, if he and his wife work things out in their private lives, it doesn't really matter what we think. Willie was a known philanderer way back in Arkansas.

While I don't like it then or now,. I don't change my moral compass on it depending on the party they are in. America has voted in horny presidents longer than I've been around.

[wreckwriter]

Trump nor Biden should run again. We need younger, smarter, and hopefully more common sense candidates.

Yes

[wreckwriter]

The problem with Trump is not so much the moral stuff, that could maybe be overlooked. It's the election lies and the attempt to overturn the election results. He should be in prison.

[TallTom]

even ronnies own advisor and “architect” of trickle down, d. stockman, said “reganomics”was a horrible idea. old ronnie still peddled it to congress and pushed it through. lowering tax on the rich, increased taxes for working class & social security, smh. his dirty laundry list can keep going with the hostages in iran, the contras/cocaine, crack epidemic, “offshoring” jobs to china…
slick willy clinton cuts to defense budgets, lowers taxes on low income people, raised taxes on >$200k/yr, and created a budget surplus. however he cheated on his wife with a young intern and lied about it. all of sudden he is the worst president. the GOP touted economic failure with clinton’s plan but the opposite happened. ronnie, bush jr, and mr orange, push the GOP lower taxes on the rich bs and what happens.

Umm. Carter botched the Iran Hostage situation. Failed attempt at rescue. The Iranians released them peacefully within weeks of Reagan taking office.

Setting aside slick Willy's willy, he instituted the "If you have a pulse you get a mortgage" program. Which resulted in the crash of 2008.

He was given all the info needed to stop a lot of known terrorist activities. He never acted on that. We know how that worked out.

It took us years to rebuild our military and security apparatus both domestically and internationally.

But he knew how to play a Saxophone better than any president in history.

[wreckwriter]

Umm. Carter botched the Iran Hostage situation. Failed attempt at rescue. The Iranians released them peacefully within weeks of Reagan taking office.

Setting aside slick Willy's willy, he instituted the "If you have a pulse you get a mortgage" program. Which resulted in the crash of 2008.

He was given all the info needed to stop a lot of known terrorist activities. He never acted on that. We know how that worked out.

It took us years to rebuild our military and security apparatus both domestically and internationally.

But he knew how to play a Saxophone better than any president in history.

I think we can all agree that no president was perfect. They all screwed up something.

[TallTom]

I think we can all agree that no president was perfect. They all screwed up something.

True. But I'd like to keep the screw ups to who actually did them.

[wreckwriter]

True. But I'd like to keep the screw ups to who actually did them.

Fair enough.

[Red05]

Clinton and Trump are interchangeable. Yet you choose to support Clinton. Using his merit you find as a president as a defense. Just like those who overlooked Trump's record with women and found him a better choice. We can certainly compare thier economies anytime you like.

Pretty convenient for you. Not a bit surprised.

It's amazing the attention span and hypocrisy of the voters in America. Sudden moral re-alignments. Just long enough to get through an election.

I like Clinton as a person better. Obviously he has his vices. Philosophically I don’t think the president or his agenda is the driving factor in our economy (ies). What I meant by Clinton being good fiscally is our bank account as a nation and he had us in good shape.

[MonkeyButtRides]

Setting aside slick Willy's willy, he instituted the "If you have a pulse you get a mortgage" program. Which resulted in the crash of 2008.

Yes, slick willie signed that Bill into law at the very end of his presidency? Where did the bill come from, presidents don't make bills, have we forgotten our Seasme street lessons already? What did the Congress and the next president do about it for 8 years? Not a damn thing!! Blaming the crash of 2008 on Bill Clinton is just as dumb as blaming it on Obama. We had 8 years to do something about it and let's not pretend that the Bush tax cuts and increased spending (2 wars, Home land defense, etc..) didn't help at all? I mean it's not rocket science. Increase spending, decrease income?? WTF did people think was gonna happen after 8 years of that crap?

[jellyrug]

I'm pretty sure I said that I agreed Clinton was the best fiscally responsible Democrat fielded in half a century.

As far as I'm concerned, if he and his wife work things out in their private lives, it doesn't really matter what we think. Willie was a known philanderer way back in Arkansas.

While I don't like it then or now,. I don't change my moral compass on it depending on the party they are in. America has voted in horny presidents longer than I've been around.

LOL, what the heart wants, the heart wants. It all depends on how big the temptation is and how much resistance will prevent crossing the line. The more healthy a person is, the stronger the mating instinct. We never know what we don't know and then there is the media profiting on how many viewers they can attract. O'll Tucker had over 3 million and he made a bunch of money for Fox, with only negative press on everything he could possibly find. Always amazes me how people thrive on that.

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ole ronnie with his tricks

[TallTom]

What I meant by Clinton being good fiscally is our bank account as a nation and he had us in good shape.

Anyone who took the defense budget and moved that to the deficit, could do the same. We didn't have more money as a nation. He just emptied out the huge account, thereby taking money away from things like defense spending. And paid down debt. It looks really good fiscally to have less debt. I never denied that. Meanwhile our GDP tanked and our military and security budgets left us vulnerable as a nation. Then the war on terror began after 9/11. So yeah we had to borrow our way back into strength.

It's sort of like the shell game Biden is playing now. We have to slow down the economy, by raising interest rates. Sounds great. Sucks to have to be on the receiving end of that policy. Each month they tell us how its working. Yeah, we are slowing spending, because we are freaking broke. If we can't afford something, you bet the economy slows.

But he will taut this an accomplishment. They will make him out to be a fiscal achiever too.

Its a pretty simple concept. America needs to produce more. Employ more people. And cut spending as a government.

[TallTom]

ole ronnie with his tricks

Nothing at all surprising here. The American $$ usually is the reason most problems occur. And get solved. We have been paying off N Korea since the 50s to stay peaceful. When they need more money they just make a rocket. Along with about 35 other piglets that suckle the teat of America. Reagan also carried a big stick and was known to whack with it!

[wreckwriter]

Anyone who took the defense budget and moved that to the deficit, could do the same. We didn't have more money as a nation. He just emptied out the huge account, thereby taking money away from things like defense spending. And paid down debt. It looks really good fiscally to have less debt. I never denied that. Meanwhile our GDP tanked and our military and security budgets left us vulnerable as a nation. Then the war on terror began after 9/11. So yeah we had to borrow our way back into strength.

It's sort of like the shell game Biden is playing now. We have to slow down the economy, by raising interest rates. Sounds great. Sucks to have to be on the receiving end of that policy. Each month they tell us how its working. Yeah, we are slowing spending, because we are freaking broke. If we can't afford something, you bet the economy slows.

But he will taut this an accomplishment. They will make him out to be a fiscal achiever too.

Its a pretty simple concept. America needs to produce more. Employ more people. And cut spending as a government.

You're giving Biden more credit than he's due. He's not raising the rates, the Fed is. An independent body, one of the few left.