LOL, lets try once more...
We are comparing engines to engines, take them out of the car, take them out of the bike, put each side by side on a dyno and do specs off the crank.
When will motorcycle technology catch up?
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We are comparing engines to engines, take them out of the car, take them out of the bike, put each side by side on a dyno and do specs off the crank.
....and if we are comparing apples to apples, it has to be a boosted bike engine as the Civic you speak of is boosted...and only one manufacturer makes a boosted engine.
Pretty hard to compare....a non boosted 999cc engine puts out over 200 hp but only around 90ft lbs of torque.
A Supercharged H2 puts out 230rwhp but only 120 ft lbs of torque
I hear you, the torque figures of the car engine are higher-could be the intake plenum that makes the difference...??? High torque figures like that would be hard to manage in a motorcycle...the lighter weight makes up for the lower torque.
Now if Suzuki or Kawasaki factory boosted the Hayabusa and ZX14R, I wonder how the numbers would compare...
Slowstang305
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My truck is a 2021 and I specifically ordered it without power windows. Not sure I want ANY technology.
1.5 to 2.4 = 60% increase in capacity.My 2004 Neon SRT-4 has a stock 2.4L turbo making 230hp.... mid-5s 0-60, high 13's 1/4 mile... seems like Honda is 20 years behind Dodge.
180 to 230 = 28% increase in power.
The Honda Engineers win when it comes to volumetric efficiency.
JeffSyh
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I don't ride a motorcycle for drivers aids and electronics, the only electronic aid that would be useful and I would enjoy is cruise control. If I want a relaxing ride I'll drive my brand new civic, I want my bike to scare me, I want it to loose traction when I get into it I want the rush hahahaha I'm sure you could ram over 300hp in a factory bike with driver aids interupting all that power but is it really a 300hp bike then?
My son had one of those...it dissolved before our eyes...driving them in winter salt sure isn't a good thing...he ended up scraping it.My 2004 Neon SRT-4 has a stock 2.4L turbo making 230hp.... mid-5s 0-60, high 13's 1/4 mile... seems like Honda is 20 years behind Dodge.
Wasn't a bad little car though...he went from bad to worse and got an SVT Contour of all things...that thing is long gone now...
hayabuser
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They are incredibly rust-prone for sure, I've seen some online that are totally Swiss-cheesed. Luckily being a Vancouver Island car its entire life, mine doesn't have a spot of rust on it.
Let’s not forget how high the rpm differences are at these HP and torque levels comparing any motorcycle engine to a car engine. My car lopes along around 2,100 @ 75-80 and my Busa is at 5,000 @ 95 in 6th. Car engines don’t rev into five digits.
Good observation and the point of this discussion. A motorcycle engine performs at low duty most of the time. It is impossible to use all the available power at high RPM during a large portion of a street ride. A car engine works much harder most of the time if the HP is comparable with that of a high performance bike. It follows that a car engine has to be much more reliable and always operates at lower RPM.
So in comparison if a turbo 1500 puts out 180 HP in car and it is reliable, a much smaller motor turbo charged and light weight putting out the same 180HP at almost double the RPM could be reliably used in a bike, as the times that motor works at full load are minimal.
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