(2busa @ Dec. 28 2006,04:23) Notice how instantly the tre triggers the (smoother = richer) tune. Notice too, that no matter what "new" resistance value you try to fudge in between connectors, you will smack dab right into fail-safe... period.
Show me in the manual where this resistor is going to magically run in a 5th signal twice, when the Speedo is going to remain at a 5th gear mph in a physical 6th gear. Think the computer is not going to recognize seeing a 5th signal reading a 6th g/ratio to the Speedo?
I can show you that the tre does signal a fail-safe, "fixed to 6th gear" (an ECU voltage inside) upon key cycle. Remember, even if the GPS was disconnected, or had a cut wire, the ECU is going to read, (say it), the 6th gear maps anyway, (mickey mouse diode/resistor/whatever, you name it). Did the, "totally failed part" begin to clear things in your mind yet? Did you see 6th take right over... as designed.
You guys crack me up. CAT, who's getting excited. I know this stuff cold. You guys need this. Not me.
I kept pulling off sensors/reinstalling sensors on my 14. I could literally tell (within feet) the difference in performance. More sensors removed, the stronger it ran. It turns richer without adding a PC you might say. Better in fact.
I have now shown; you are not in a 5th gear map. Sending you to page, 4~31will confirm one more time, there is no way you can lock in a 5th gear map, when the page says, 6th is your (internal voltage values) gear. Look at bottom of page.
You may now confirm the same exact, "state of tune" (using the 6th gear maps) by disconnecting the GPS, then test ride. Install the tre, and there will be zero changes.
Enjoy your 6th gear map since 1999.
I am talking solely about TRE's, but modified GPS which produce the same end result as the TRE. IF the TRE does something different that's b/w you and Ivan.
Now, you have failed to "SHOW" me or anyone one specific example, from the manual, drawing etc, of WTF your trying to convince everyone of...this means to me your typing out the side of your neck, laymans term your BS'ing.
Resistance Value- Your full of crap on this one. You think no matter what value the TRE is still forcing FSM? How? Where in the manual does it talk about FSM vs. Ohms? Nowhere! Why? Because the key for all doors in life are not going to be hung out on a hanger for everyone and anyone to find. If you did a tad bit of research on how the GPS operates, sending voltage AT xxxx Ohms of resistance, then you should easily be able to deduct the values the ECM reads is xxx ohms at >.6v. The GPS doesn't change the voltage per gear, it alters the amount of resistance, like a rheostat, or potentiometer, each gear has a fixed value of resistance. That is simply how 5th gear can be duplicated as 6th gear, bypassing the restriction and altering the map...duh!
NO, the ECM does not have a checksum for rpm vs mph. If you think it does, show me the sensor, or sequencing in the ECM thats responsible for it? You can't because it doesn't exist. If you set the 6th gear resistance from the GPS to match that of 2d gear, you'd still be able to top over 186mph. How is this possible? When the ECM see's the ohms matching 6th gear the restriction is in effect, if it never see's that restriction, it can come into play.
Now on the TRE maybe there is some whack "fixed to 6th gear" signal as you claim, but I doubt it. If it did, then why is there not a restriction? Show me, stop typing and prove it.
Of course if the GPS is d/c then its not reading 6th gear, its reading less than .6v....how can it read 6th gear if there is no voltage matched with resistance w/i parameters? It can't. So no I dont see your "clear picture of 6th gear taking over" when it is impossible for ANY gear to be registered if cut or d/c. Whatever your smoking, if its legal I'd like to sample some
What you have or haven't done, being on a 13.5 or working as a mechanic for 16yrs or whatever has no bearing. What the issue here is your inability to read and comprehend what is in front of you. I've looked at all the pages in the service manual, 4-31 does not say your locked into 6th gear. It does not state your in 5th gear either, what it does state that if the voltage is below, OR if the ECM see's lock in 6th gear (gee, if it thinks it in 6th gear, what do you think the ECM is seeing? Try resistance!* Go get your mulitmeter from your days of tuning pro bikes or whatever and cycle thru each gear, record the differnces in resistance and you will then see the values change.
Dude, not only are you stubborn, but frankly your ignorant. I've explained time and again I am referring to a modified GPS, and how it signals the ECM, the routing of signals from the GPS to the ECM, shown you the pages to look, and even the basic theory of this stuff yet you insist on being right! Your level of ignorance, or arrogance is amazing, simple put. If you took as much time to read what I have posted, as I have what you posted, looked at the manual, thought about it in a basic logical manner you would have to come with some different conclusion, which is probably scaring you.
I can't believe you think that if I d/c my GPS I will have the same kickass performance as adding a TRE. Are you an inpatient at a mental health research lab thats somehow gained access to the internet? Your seriously not joking around with all your self righteous flattery about this whole TRE debate, but something is amiss in your logic.
Here is a simple question for you 2Busa. I'll even make it multiple guess, since that seems to be your choice of answering things:
How does the ECM know which gear it is in?
A It registers voltage changes
B It registers resistance changes
C there is some magical signal only you can see in the diagram that tells the ECM, based of speed and rpm what gear it is.
And before you type some more bandwidth wasting crap, show your work. Use the manual, or draw it out. I want to see how you come up with the wrong answer. *hint, if you use Professors diagram above you'll pick B, and be right
