Tattoo removal

To each their own....I never got a tattoo because peoples taste change over the years. What looked good on them at that time never seems to look good on them when they're older. My oldest brother who is 50 regrets getting his tattoos. I'm not anti tattoo, just applying common sense.
 
Here's a little something to read on it, and yes they can be waived.

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NAVADMIN 110/06
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NARR/REF A IS NAVADMIN 021/03, NAVY UNIFORMS. REF B IS U.S. NAVY
UNIFORM REGULATIONS.//
GENTEXT/REMARKS/1. THIS NAVADMIN SUPERSEDES NAVADMIN 021/03,
AMPLIFIES WAIVERABLE AND NON-WAIVERABLE CRITERIA, ESTABLISHES FINAL
WAIVER AUTHORITY, AND PROVIDES PROCEDURES FOR ADMINISTRATIVE
DOCUMENTATION AND PROCESSING OF TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS/MUTILATIONS/
AND DENTAL ORNAMENTATION. THESE CHANGES ARE EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
AND WILL BE REFLECTED IN THE NEXT CHANGE TO THE UNIFORM REGULATIONS.
2. FOR CLARITY, REVISIONS AND ADDITIONS TO NAVY UNIFORM
REGULATIONS, ARTICLE 2201, ARE QUOTED BELOW IN THEIR ENTIRETY:
ARTICLE 2201. PERSONAL APPEARANCE, BECAUSE IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO
PROVIDE EXAMPLES OF EVERY APPROPRIATE OR UNACCEPTABLE
("CONSERVATIVE" OR "ECCENTRIC") GROOMING STANDARD, THE GOOD JUDGMENT
OF LEADERS AT ALL LEVELS IS KEY TO THE ENFORCEMENT OF THE NAVY S
PERSONAL APPEARANCE POLICY. THEREFORE, HAIR, GROOMING, AND PERSONAL
APPEARANCE WHILE IN UNIFORM SHALL PRESENT A NEAT, PROFESSIONAL
APPEARANCE.
3. TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS. FOUR CRITERIA WILL BE USED TO
DETERMINE WHETHER TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS ARE PERMITTED FOR NAVY
PERSONNEL: CONTENT, LOCATION, SIZE, AND COSMETIC.
A. CONTENT. TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS LOCATED ANYWHERE ON THE
BODY THAT ARE PREJUDICIAL TO GOOD ORDER, DISCIPLINE, AND MORALE OR
ARE OF A NATURE TO BRING DISCREDIT UPON THE NAVAL SERVICE ARE
PROHIBITED. FOR EXAMPLE, TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS THAT ARE OBSCENE,
SEXUALLY EXPLICIT, AND OR ADVOCATE DISCRIMINATION BASED ON SEX,
RACE, RELIGION, ETHNIC, OR NATIONAL ORIGIN ARE PROHIBITED. IN
ADDITION, TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS THAT SYMBOLIZE AFFILIATION WITH
GANGS, SUPREMACIST OR EXTREMIST GROUPS, OR ADVOCATE ILLEGAL DRUG USE
ARE PROHIBITED.
B. LOCATION. NO TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS ON THE HEAD, FACE,
NECK, OR SCALP. THE NECK AREA FOR PURPOSES OF THIS REGULATION IS
ANY PORTION VISIBLE WHEN WEARING A CREW NECK T-SHIRT OR OPEN COLLAR
UNIFORM SHIRT. IN ADDITION, OTHERWISE PERMISSIBLE TATTOOS/BODY
ART/BRANDS ON THE TORSO AREA OF THE BODY SHALL NOT BE VISIBLE
THROUGH WHITE UNIFORM CLOTHING.
C. SIZE. INDIVIDUAL TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS EXPOSED BY WEARING
A SHORT SLEEVE UNIFORM SHIRT SHALL BE NO LARGER IN SIZE THAN THE
WEARER S HAND WITH FINGERS EXTENDED AND JOINED WITH THE THUMB
TOUCHING THE BASE OF THE INDEX FINGER. TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS THAT
EXCEED SIZE CRITERIA ARE WAIVERABLE PROVIDED THEY DO NOT VIOLATE THE
CONTENT AND/OR LOCATION CRITERIA.
D. COSMETIC TATTOOS. THIS REGULATION DOES NOT PROHIBIT
COSMETIC TATTOOING TO CORRECT MEDICAL CONDITIONS REQUIRING SUCH
TREATMENT. FOR THE PURPOSE OF THIS REGULATION, COSMETIC TATTOOING
REFERS TO MEDICAL OR SURGICAL PROCEDURES CONDUCTED BY LICENSED,
QUALIFIED MEDICAL PERSONNEL.
4. MUTILATION. INTENTIONAL MUTILATION OF ANY PART OF THE BODY
IS PROHIBITED. MUTILATION IS DEFINED AS THE INTENTIONAL RADICAL
ALTERATION OF THE BODY, HEAD, FACE, OR SKIN FOR THE PURPOSE OF AND
OR RESULTING IN AN ABNORMAL APPEARANCE.
A. EXAMPLES OF MUTILATION INCLUDE, BUT ARE NOT LIMITED TO:
(1) A SPLIT OR FORKED TONGUE;
(2) FOREIGN OBJECTS INSERTED UNDER THE SKIN TO CREATE A
DESIGN OR PATTERN;
(3) ENLARGED OR STRETCHED OUT HOLES IN EARS (OTHER THAN
A NORMAL PIERCING);
(4) INTENTIONAL SCARRING ON NECK, FACE, OR SCALP; OR
(5) INTENTIONAL BURNS CREATING A DESIGN OR PATTERN.
5. DENTAL ORNAMENTATION. THE USE OF GOLD, PLATINUM, OR OTHER
VENEERS OR CAPS FOR PURPOSES OF DENTAL ORNAMENTATION IS PROHIBITED.
FOR PURPOSES OF THIS REGULATION, ORNAMENTATION IS DEFINED AS
DECORATIVE VENEERS OR CAPS. TEETH, WHETHER NATURAL, CAPPED, OR
VENEERED, WILL NOT BE ORNAMENTED WITH DESIGNS, JEWELS, INITIALS,
ETC.
6. NAVY PERSONNEL WITH TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS/MUTILATION/DENTAL
ORNAMENTATION THAT DO NOT MEET THESE REQUIREMENTS AND HAVE NOT BEEN
PREVIOUSLY WAIVED IN WRITING SHALL NOTIFY THEIR COMMANDING OFFICER,
VIA THE CHAIN OF COMMAND, WITHIN 60 DAYS OF THE RELEASE OF THIS
NAVADMIN FOR SCREENING.
A. COMMANDING OFFICERS SHALL DETERMINE WAIVERABLE CONDITIONS
AND DIRECT MEMBERS TO EXECUTE A NAVPERS 1070/613.
B. COMMANDING OFFICERS SHALL DETERMINE NON-WAIVERABLE
CONDITIONS AND DIRECT THOSE MEMBERS, VIA A NAVPERS 1070/613, TO
ALTER, OR REMOVE THE TATTOO/BODY ART/BRAND/MUTILATION/DENTAL
ORNAMENTATION, IF FEASIBLE (THIS SHOULD OCCUR WITHIN 180 DAYS ABSENT
UNUSUAL CIRCUMSTANCES AS DETERMINED BY THE COMMANDING OFFICER).
7. DISPOSITION OF NAVY PERSONNEL WITH WAIVERABLE PRE-EXISTING
CONDITIONS: TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDS/MUTILATION/DENTAL ORNAMENTATION
MAY BE WAIVED IF THEY EXISTED PRIOR TO 24 JANUARY 2003 AND ARE NOT
PREJUDICIAL TO GOOD ORDER, DISCIPLINE, AND MORALE OR ARE OF A NATURE
TO BRING DISCREDIT UPON THE NAVAL SERVICE.
8. DISPOSITION OF NAVAL PERSONNEL WITH NON-WAIVERABLE PRE-EXISTING
CONDITIONS. IF REMOVAL OR ALTERATION OF TATTOO/BODY ART/BRAND/
MUTILATION/DENTAL ORNAMENTATION IS DETERMINED BY A MILITARY MEDICAL
HEALTHCARE PROVIDER NOT TO BE FEASIBLE, THE MEMBER MAY BE PROCESSED
FOR INVOLUNTARY SEPARATION, IF DEEMED APPROPRIATE BY THE COMMANDING
OFFICER.
9. DOCUMENTING WAIVERABLE AND NON-WAIVERABLE CONDITIONS.
COMMANDING OFFICERS OF MEMBERS WHO HAVE WAIVERABLE AND
NON-WAIVERABLE CONDITIONS SHALL DOCUMENT THE CONDITION ON A NAVPERS
1070/613. NAVPERS 1070/613 FOR ENLISTED PERSONNEL WILL BE SUBMITTED
TO THE LOCAL PERSONNEL SUPPORT DETACHMENT FOR INCLUSION IN THE FIELD
SERVICE RECORD. THE NAVPERS 1070/613 FOR OFFICER PERSONNEL WILL BE
MAILED TO COMNAVPERSCOM (PERS 312) FOR INCLUSION IN THE ELECTRONIC
SERVICE RECORD.
10. SAMPLE NAVPERS 1070/613 FOR WAIVERABLE CONDITION FOLLOWS:
(DATE); "I UNDERSTAND THAT, EFFECTIVE 24 JANUARY 2003, NAVY
PERSONAL APPEARANCE POLICY WAS CHANGED WITH REGARD TO TATTOOS, BODY
ART, BRANDS, MUTILATION, AND DENTAL ORNAMENTATION. I HAVE THE
FOLLOWING CONDITION THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF NAVADMIN
021/03: (FULL DESCRIPTION AND LOCATION). MY PRE-EXISTING CONDITION
IS BEING WAIVED, AND I AM PROHIBITED FROM OBTAINING ADDITIONAL BODY
ORNAMENTATION OR ALTERING EXISTING BODY ORNAMENTATION IN A MANNER
THAT VIOLATES NAVY POLICY."
11. SAMPLE NAVPERS 1070/613 FOR NON-WAIVERABLE CONDITION, WHEN
REMOVAL OR ALTERATION IS FEASIBLE, FOLLOWS:
(DATE); "I UNDERSTAND THAT, EFFECTIVE 24 JANUARY 2003, NAVY
PERSONAL APPEARANCE POLICY WAS CHANGED WITH REGARD TO TATTOOS, BODY
ART, BRANDS, MUTILATION AND DENTAL ORNAMENTATION. I HAVE THE
FOLLOWING BODY ORNAMENTATION THAT EXISTED PRIOR TO THE RELEASE OF
NAVADMIN 021/03: (FULL DESCRIPTION AND LOCATION). I UNDERSTAND
THAT I AM PROHIBITED FROM OBTAINING ADDITIONAL BODY ORNAMENTATION OR
ALTERING EXISTING BODY ORNAMENTATION IN A MANNER THAT VIOLATES NAVY
POLICY. MY PRE-EXISTING CONDITION MUST, EXCEPT FOR DENTAL
ORNAMENTATION, BE COVERED AT ALL TIMES BOTH WHEN IN UNIFORM AND WHEN
IN CIVILIAN ATTIRE UNTIL I HAVE ACCESS TO PROPER FACILITIES FOR
ALTERATION OR REMOVAL. ABSENT AN EXTENSION OF TIME FROM MY
COMMANDING OFFICER, ALTERATION OR REMOVAL SHALL OCCUR WITHIN 180
DAYS."
 
continued:
12. VIOLATIONS OF POLICY. MEMBERS NOT COMPLYING WITH THESE
REQUIREMENTS MAY BE SUBJECT TO ADMINISTRATIVE OR DISCIPLINARY
ACTION, TO INCLUDE INVOLUNTARY SEPARATION.
13. REENLISTMENTS. COMMANDING OFFICERS AND OFFICERS-IN-CHARGE
SHALL REVIEW THE SERVICE RECORDS OF ALL REENLISTMENT ELIGIBLE
SAILORS TO DETERMINE IF A NAVPERS 1070/613 WAS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED.
IF SO, THE COMMANDING OFFICER OR OFFICER-IN-CHARGE SHALL ENSURE THE
MEMBER HAS COMPLIED WITH THE NAVPERS 1070/613 BEFORE EXECUTING THE
REENLISTMENT.
14. ACCESSION POLICY. THIS SECTION REFERS TO INDIVIDUALS NEWLY
ACCESSED AND GAINED IN THE ACTIVE OR RESERVE COMPONENT.
A. COMMANDER, NAVY RECRUITING COMMAND HAS FINAL TATTOO/BODY
ART/BRANDING/MUTILATION/DENTAL ORNAMENTATION WAIVER AUTHORITY FOR
ALL NAVY ENLISTED ACCESSIONS. NAVY RECRUITING COMMAND SHALL SCREEN
ALL NAVY APPLICANTS FOR TATTOOS AND COMPLIANCE WITH THIS POLICY.
B. COMMANDER, NAVY RECRUITING COMMAND SHALL SCREEN ALL PRIOR
SERVICE VETERANS PROCESSING FOR ENLISTMENT, REENLISTMENT, OR
AFFILIATION INTO THE ACTIVE OR RESERVE COMPONENTS FOR TATTOOS/BODY
ART/BRANDS/MUTILATION/DENTAL ORNAMENTATION.
(1) MEMBERS OF THE NAVY S ACTIVE AND RESERVE COMPONENTS
WILL BE PROVIDED THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR WAIVERS.
(2) WAIVERS RECEIVED DURING PREVIOUS SERVICE PERIODS SHALL
BE HONORED. HOWEVER, TATTOOS/BODY ART/BRANDING/MUTILATION/DENTAL
ORNAMENTATION FOUND TO BE CONTRARY TO GOOD ORDER, DISCIPLINE, AND
MORALE SHALL BE DISAPPROVED AND THE MEMBER REJECTED FOR AFFILIATION.
INDIVIDUALS UNABLE TO PROVIDE A DOCUMENTED WAIVER FOR PREVIOUSLY
EXISITING TATTOO/BODY ART/BRAND/MUTILATION/DENTAL ORNAMENTATION OR
WHO HAVE ADDITIONAL BODY ORNAMENTATION RECEIVED SINCE TERMINATION OF
THEIR LAST ENLISTMENT MAY BE GRANTED A WAIVER BY COMMANDER, NAVY
RECRUITING COMMAND IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS POLICY.
15. COMMISSIONING PROGRAM ACCESSIONS. THE COGNIZANT COMMANDER
SHALL ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH THIS POLICY FOR COMMISSIONING
PROGRAMS.
A. COMMANDER, NAVY RECRUITING COMMAND HAS WAIVER AUTHORITY FOR
ALL OCS/OIS COMMISSIONING PROGRAMS.
B. COMMANDANT, UNITED STATES NAVAL ACADEMY HAS WAIVER
AUTHORITY FOR NAVAL ACADEMY MIDSHIPMEN.
C. COMMANDER, NAVAL SERVICE TRAINING COMMAND HAS WAIVER
AUTHORITY FOR NAVAL RESERVE OFFICER TRAINING CORPS (NROTC)
MIDSHIPMEN.
16. FILE THIS NAVADMIN WITH REF B UNTIL REVISIONS ARE INCORPORATED
INTO THE JUL 06 QUARTERLY BUPERS DIRECTIVE CD-ROM CHANGE.
17. POC: CNOCM CARROLL AT (703) 614-5076.
18. RELEASED BY VADM J. C. HARVEY, JR., N1/NT.//
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What are you going to do in the Navy?

if you go air wing we will probably run into each other eventually lol


Not sure yet still looking in to it...Any suggestions?



Well went for my first laser treatment:banghead: Went to a clinic that used a more high powered laser so it takes fewer treatments. HATING LIFE right now **** this **** hurts!!!!! I would rather sand the tattoo off with a black and decker than do that **** agian. Ok and it hurts this bad and the area was numbed:banghead::banghead:
 
I personally would tell the Navy Recruiter that the Army will take me as I am, betting the waiver paperwork will complete itself.

My time in everytime I got a tattoo the threats to kick me out came and I just pushed back with bring the on the skillcraft!
 
it dont work like that really.

I have been in the Marines for almost 8 years. what? 2 years ago they started the "gentlemens military" trip? before that you could have tattoos wherever you wanted, except hands neck and head. nowadays you cant have it cover over 1/3 of any bodypart and if you are trying to be an officer (like i am) you have to have a waiver for ANY tattoo. My entire back is covered and i have a 1/3 sleeve and they may accept me because it is covered by a t shirt.

crap i say. tattoos are signs of a warrior.

ok back to my beer!
 
tats are a symbol of expression. does the military that protects our rights not support freedom of expression???? seems to me that you have the law on your side as far as a waiver goes. if not, then maybe consider a branch that is more supportive of yourself, the constitution, and the people it protects
 
3 Days after! Hurts worse now:banghead::banghead:

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I have been in the USMC for 7 years now and I remember very well when the order came out on tattoo sleeves and what not i was literally in the middle of sleeving my right arm. So my whole right forearm is done and half my bicep. Ive have debated on just finishing mine in the winter and when sleeves go up hope no one will notice, all tho my command is very relaxed. Ive known others to get sleeves and no one say anything. the problem comes in if you go to a new command. 2 more years left and i think it maybe my time to move on. i dont like the way the USMC is headed, I miss the USMC I joined. Im sure others feel the same.
 
I have been in the USMC for 7 years now and I remember very well when the order came out on tattoo sleeves and what not i was literally in the middle of sleeving my right arm. So my whole right forearm is done and half my bicep. Ive have debated on just finishing mine in the winter and when sleeves go up hope no one will notice, all tho my command is very relaxed. Ive known others to get sleeves and no one say anything. the problem comes in if you go to a new command. 2 more years left and i think it maybe my time to move on. i dont like the way the USMC is headed, I miss the USMC I joined. Im sure others feel the same.

you sir, as i was, are grandfathered in. you cannot get in trouble for finishing your other sleeve. but you cannot do recruiting or MSG also. when did you join? i gots 7 years in too. 8 in Nov.
 
I love tattoos!! And dont regret a single one that I have....But I have to have one removed before I can join the military. I have a small outline of a star done in black on the back of my neck. Anyone ever had a tattoo removed or know anything about it? I am VERY nervous about having it removed.

ive had tons of friends who had them removed..
depending on the tattoo, it could be multiple sessions to get it removed. you pretty much take it off (burn it off) in layers.
you can pay the money for anesthesia but its like triple the costs..

but it takes time.
 
Shoulda joined the Army! They let us have tattoos almost everywhere! They pay for removal too....
 
I don't have any military experience, but just wanted to say Thank you for joining up.
I also LOVE Tattoos, but I wont ever get one, cause I know I would be going through what you are right now. I hope you heal up quickly.
 
neck and hand tattoos are called job stoppers for a reason. I've heard the laser removal is painfull as well. Since you've got access to meds it shouldn't be that big of a deal other than the costs.
 
The army's policy is out of sight out of mind. I commission as a 2lt in the spring and went to my rotc commander and asked about getting more tattoos and he said there was no problem. I had 3 but the 4th one is a piece im doin on my ribcage....lemme see if i can find a pic to post..
 
3 Days after! Hurts worse now:banghead::banghead:
hang in there...

even though a "waiver" could be possible, is it worth all the hassle from superiors questioning the "waiver" and the "perceived" attitude that this person feels they are above the "normal" rules?

Tough gig regardless but if you are making a career out of the service, seems compliance would be the best move?

I like that you have the drive and enthusiasm to meet their guidelines and bet if you keep that attitude, you should go far.. My uncle is retired Navy and served on the Enterprise about the same time Don did...

I would have loved to be a Naval Aviator but was too dumb to pursue that when I had the chance.... was to busy having fun...
 
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