thanks for all the responses, sorry ive been away all weekend, i went and bought bt-021's they don't come in a 55 profile but for the winter i think they will wear better then the 16's. found a site that had both the 16's and 21's for under 250 shipped, not a sale either, just their price, i can't get to tracks so it's basicly commuting and backroad twisties for me, we'll see how they hold up until spring.