Fuel Cost Slows Trucks Down

i traded in my eddie bauer expedition because of the cost of gas, and that was before it was up over 2.00/gallon. now im stuck with an 06 pontiac g6 gtp coupe that gets me about 20 mpg...... although, i have been contemplating buying either a new f150 or chevy avalanche...
 
right now i have a 01 civic that gets 27 with me driving like a lil ricer wanna be around town and 33 on the highway doin 110 mph pretty much the whole way from tennesse to daytona beach in the middle of the night and the bike gets about 29 round town average and 34 on a good day when im just cruising too my friends house about 30 miles away at around 60 in 6th, so im thinking about trading my car in for a 06 f-150 crew cab 4x4 cause i hardley ever drive my car anymore the only time i ever drive my car is when it's grocery day (and sometimes i'll take the bike so i can only buy a lil bit of food), it's crazy raining, or if im planning on doin any drinking, i just really miss my old truck i would buy one in a heart beat right now gas was cheaper but i guess that sucks for me
 
k now wait a sec.... I'm no economics rocket scientist... but if they all slow down, doesn't that mean it will take them about 25% - 30% LONGER to be on the road? Recalculating what they are transporting and payment on completion [is that how some of it works?] doesn't that mean they would loose money because they are hauling a lot less over the same time frame? If they are just paid anyway, why speed at all? sorry, I'd jus ignerunt on how that works.
 
k now wait a sec.... I'm no economics rocket scientist... but if they all slow down, doesn't that mean it will take them about 25% - 30% LONGER to be on the road?  Recalculating what they are transporting and payment on completion [is that how some of it works?] doesn't that mean they would loose money because they are hauling a lot less over the same time frame?  If they are just paid anyway, why speed at all?  sorry, I'd jus ignerunt on how that works.
Freight is slow right now in this current state of economy so what is likely is happening the drivers are waiting in between loads more than usual so no point in putting the hammer down and costing more fuel money to get to the next stop and wait anyway.
Some say your going to fill the tank anyway and there's some truth to that but not only does the extra out of your pocket at the pump affect the checkbook but the higher cost of goods period is a two fold effect. We are spending the same amount of money as before and getting less for it on more than one level. sadly I think we are going to see fuel stabilize in cost but not ever get "cheap" again. People will be driven to more fuel efficient means of transportation to deal with the associated inflation. Look at Europe.
 
I am convinced that the gas prices are killing this economy. I mean I believe we have had a very strong economy but I think we are probably headed for a recession for sure. just my opinion but i think that the high cost of diesel and gas is the cause of it. I think that the constant strain from the prices has caused this. I know its hurting me for sure.
I completely agree.

I think the oil companies are screwing this country. But what pisses me off is that the government that we pay to run things and protect us are not doing squat about it.

The government seems to stick their collective noses into everything and anything when they "perceive"￾ it is not good for the public. Such as making sure Microsoft doesn't have a monopoly.

Or making sure the phone companies don't have a monopoly.

ALL in the name of protecting the public.

What about now? What about in an environment where oil company's are making record profits and CEO's are making record bonus's. While the oil companies drive prices so high it is literary killing companies and driving people to bankruptcy.

I have been noticing the rising costs of goods. Luxury items I don't care about., they are luxury items, I just wont buy them. But the rising cost of food is what is really pissing me off. On top of the rising cost of fuel and on top of the rising cost of electricity in California.

Personally I think what is going on is that the oil companies know their days are numbered, with cars like the aptera ( www.aptera.com  ) coming out and other well known companies going green it is only a matter of time before everyone starts going green. So I think the oil companies are raping us while the raping is good.

I think the electric companies (at least here in California ) are doing the same thing. With solar power on the horizon and heading towards becoming more affordable the future profits of electric companies are probably going to be limited, so I think the electric companies are doing the same thing. Getting what they can while they still can.

My first thought is I hope they all burn in hell in lakes of burning oil. But then my Christian side tells me that is very nice to think that way"¦ ugh"¦
 
05 Silverado small v8-4.8L 16mpg city very consistant.Bought the truck new with the small 8 for the mpg.Can't amagine not having a fullsize truck and not having a 8.Round trip to work in a week...125 miles,v8 not a problem.Filled the busa up the other day almost 15 bucks.Now that's really BS.
 
Wish I had LOTS of money like Revlis!!
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maybe if everyone goes to electric than the demand for fuel will go down and I can keep my gas hog
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The problem is, everyone else is saying the same thing, so no one is going electric because they are all waiting for everyone else to do it.

Fuel consumption can be dropped by limiting your excess driving, if you have any. Stop going out on the weekend just to go shopping, run errands, etc. Try to do more things on the way home. You might not get home as early, but at least you don't have to do all the extra driving later.
 
Cut and paste from James Kunstler site.

I can't link to the site because it has a naughty word in the address.


"Black Swans Everywhere

    After a one-day reprieve from total meltdown in the financial markets, news media cheerleaders for the most reckless gang of bankers in world history declared the crisis over on Good Friday (with the markets safely closed). Whew, that's a relief. Problem solved. And just in time for baseball season, too, so none of the Banker Boyz have to sell their sky box leases.  
 

     What is meant by "meltdown," by the way, since the word is used so promiscuously by myself and others. I'd define it as the shock of recognition that many big institutions are worse than flat broke and are therefore powerless to conduct normal operations. By "worse than flat broke" I mean they are so deep in hock that all the accountants who ever lived, in the life of this universe and several others like it, using the fastest parallel processing computers ever built, could not keep up with their compounding accelerating losses (now approaching the speed of light).

     The current vacation from reality on Wall Street may last a few more days, or even a couple weeks, but it seems as though a whole flock of black swan events is circling the sky over Financial-land and is about to blot out the sun. By black swan, I refer to the concept popularized by Nassim Nicholas Taleb in his recent book of that name, namely unexpected events of  great power that tend to change the course of history.
    For the moment, with the crisis "contained," and the Boyz getting ready to air out their Hampton villas for the coming season, we are once again primed to be blindsided by potent random events that nobody saw coming. The trouble is, there are enough potent potential fiascos already visible on the horizon.

     The mortgage fiasco is still just gathering steam as it moves from the non-payment stage to the default and repossession level on the grand scale. Even the political wish to bail out feckless mortgage holders will stumble on the mammoth clerical task of administrating the process, especially since we've barely begun to sort out who actually holds the mortgages after they've been minced into a fine mirepoix of securities off-loaded onto countless dupe "investors" ranging from municipal funds in obscure corners of foreign nations to countless public employee retirement plans.

    No matter how the authorities try to "nationalize" the sucking chest wound of bad mortgages, the body of finance will flat-line -- and the American public will get stuck with the bill from the intensive care unit. Those who, for some weird reason, continue to pay their way and meet their obligations, will be none too pleased to pay for misdeeds of the deadbeats and their banker-lenders. This portends a taxpayer rebellion, which may translate into a voter rebellion.

     It's too bad the current presidential candidates have been unable to address the unfolding economic nightmare. Their collective silence on the matter suggests that they don't have a clue what to say about it. As the nightmare plays out and black swans flock in to blot out the sun, and the hedge funds come a'tumbling down, and more big banks blunder into black holes, and businesses big and small across the land shutter up their operations, and the unemployment rolls swell, and families are thrown out of their houses even when bailouts are supposed to be saving them (but the bureaucracy can't get the paperwork done in time) -- well now, they are going to be one pissed off bunch of people. What will they do at the conventions? Our outside the conventions?

     In the deeper background of all this is the all-important oil story that nobody in politics or the media wants to pay attention to. Notice that in the fervid unloading of assets this past week, as investors dumped their positions in the commodities markets, the price of oil remained stubbornly above $100-a-barrel when it was all over on Thursday afternoon. Well, maybe they'll ratchet down a little further this week, but the trend line will prove to continue remorselessly upward in the months ahead.

     Peak oil is for real. The supply can't keep up with global demand, even if it dips in the USA. And more portentous sub-plots develop in the story every month. Export rates are falling at a steeper rate than depletion rates. The exporting nations are not only buying more cars and running more air-conditioners, they also need to use more energy to lift the oil they've got out of the ground.

     Another sub-plot is the fact that the equipment used world-wide to drill for oil and recover oil and move oil around the planet -- all that equipment is now so old and rusty that it can barely do the job, and it is going to start failing altogether unless investments are made to replace it, which nobody is making.

  By the way, Americans blame the familiar private oil companies for all the trouble with oil in their lives -- Exxon-Mobil, Shell, et al -- but they don't seem to know that oil nationalism is in the driver's seat now. The old private "majors" are only producing five percent of the world's oil. The rest is coming from the national companies -- Aramco, Petrobras, Pemex, et blah blah -- and the very operations of the oil markets are entering a phase of radical instability as they move away from auctioning their stuff on the futures markets and start making long-term favored customer contracts instead.

     The bottom line is that high prices for oil is hardly the only thing America has to worry about. Pretty soon the US will have to worry about getting the oil at any price -- meaning, we're in for shortages and supply disruptions sooner rather than later.

     Also unbeknownst to most of America, the financial markets reflect all this instability around the basic resource of oil because industrial economies like ours are set up in such a way that they can't run without cheap and reliable supplies of the stuff. So the least little twitter in the reality-based world of peak oil means that everything to do with money and capital investment will naturally go batshit, since our expectations for increased wealth -- i.e. "growth" -- are predicated on the activities driven by oil.

    It will be interesting to see what new machinations are unveiled this week. Whatever else this catastrophe is, it's a good show from the cheap seats."



cheers
ken
 
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I was buying 300G ever other day when I was training drivers... I can just see spending $600 a day on fuel...Owner/Ops gotta be having a tough go at it..
 
I hope it keeps going up.

Less people can afford to drive around aimlessly in there suv's = less traffic.

Higher cost of fuel = better deals on boats and such.

Poor people were poor when gas was cheap, now they have an excuse.
 
I hope it keeps going up.

Less people can afford to drive around aimlessly in there suv's = less traffic.

Higher cost of fuel = better deals on boats and such.

Poor people were poor when gas was cheap, now they have an excuse.
no the idiots with the suv's are the ones who have the money to drive around aimlessly on their cell phones not the poor people in the mid 90's geo's
 
Cut and paste from James Kunstler site.

I can't link to the site because it has a naughty word in the address.


"Black Swans Everywhere

    After a one-day reprieve from total meltdown in the financial markets, news media cheerleaders for the most reckless gang of bankers in world history declared the crisis over on Good Friday (with the markets safely closed). Whew, that's a relief. Problem solved. And just in time for baseball season, too, so none of the Banker Boyz have to sell their sky box leases.  
 

     What is meant by "meltdown," by the way, since the word is used so promiscuously by myself and others. I'd define it as the shock of recognition that many big institutions are worse than flat broke and are therefore powerless to conduct normal operations. By "worse than flat broke" I mean they are so deep in hock that all the accountants who ever lived, in the life of this universe and several others like it, using the fastest parallel processing computers ever built, could not keep up with their compounding accelerating losses (now approaching the speed of light).

     The current vacation from reality on Wall Street may last a few more days, or even a couple weeks, but it seems as though a whole flock of black swan events is circling the sky over Financial-land and is about to blot out the sun. By black swan, I refer to the concept popularized by Nassim Nicholas Taleb in his recent book of that name, namely unexpected events of  great power that tend to change the course of history.
    For the moment, with the crisis "contained," and the Boyz getting ready to air out their Hampton villas for the coming season, we are once again primed to be blindsided by potent random events that nobody saw coming. The trouble is, there are enough potent potential fiascos already visible on the horizon.

     The mortgage fiasco is still just gathering steam as it moves from the non-payment stage to the default and repossession level on the grand scale. Even the political wish to bail out feckless mortgage holders will stumble on the mammoth clerical task of administrating the process, especially since we've barely begun to sort out who actually holds the mortgages after they've been minced into a fine mirepoix of securities off-loaded onto countless dupe "investors" ranging from municipal funds in obscure corners of foreign nations to countless public employee retirement plans.

    No matter how the authorities try to "nationalize" the sucking chest wound of bad mortgages, the body of finance will flat-line -- and the American public will get stuck with the bill from the intensive care unit. Those who, for some weird reason, continue to pay their way and meet their obligations, will be none too pleased to pay for misdeeds of the deadbeats and their banker-lenders. This portends a taxpayer rebellion, which may translate into a voter rebellion.

     It's too bad the current presidential candidates have been unable to address the unfolding economic nightmare. Their collective silence on the matter suggests that they don't have a clue what to say about it. As the nightmare plays out and black swans flock in to blot out the sun, and the hedge funds come a'tumbling down, and more big banks blunder into black holes, and businesses big and small across the land shutter up their operations, and the unemployment rolls swell, and families are thrown out of their houses even when bailouts are supposed to be saving them (but the bureaucracy can't get the paperwork done in time) -- well now, they are going to be one pissed off bunch of people. What will they do at the conventions? Our outside the conventions?

     In the deeper background of all this is the all-important oil story that nobody in politics or the media wants to pay attention to. Notice that in the fervid unloading of assets this past week, as investors dumped their positions in the commodities markets, the price of oil remained stubbornly above $100-a-barrel when it was all over on Thursday afternoon. Well, maybe they'll ratchet down a little further this week, but the trend line will prove to continue remorselessly upward in the months ahead.

     Peak oil is for real. The supply can't keep up with global demand, even if it dips in the USA. And more portentous sub-plots develop in the story every month. Export rates are falling at a steeper rate than depletion rates. The exporting nations are not only buying more cars and running more air-conditioners, they also need to use more energy to lift the oil they've got out of the ground.

     Another sub-plot is the fact that the equipment used world-wide to drill for oil and recover oil and move oil around the planet -- all that equipment is now so old and rusty that it can barely do the job, and it is going to start failing altogether unless investments are made to replace it, which nobody is making.

  By the way, Americans blame the familiar private oil companies for all the trouble with oil in their lives -- Exxon-Mobil, Shell, et al -- but they don't seem to know that oil nationalism is in the driver's seat now. The old private "majors" are only producing five percent of the world's oil. The rest is coming from the national companies -- Aramco, Petrobras, Pemex, et blah blah -- and the very operations of the oil markets are entering a phase of radical instability as they move away from auctioning their stuff on the futures markets and start making long-term favored customer contracts instead.

     The bottom line is that high prices for oil is hardly the only thing America has to worry about. Pretty soon the US will have to worry about getting the oil at any price -- meaning, we're in for shortages and supply disruptions sooner rather than later.

     Also unbeknownst to most of America, the financial markets reflect all this instability around the basic resource of oil because industrial economies like ours are set up in such a way that they can't run without cheap and reliable supplies of the stuff. So the least little twitter in the reality-based world of peak oil means that everything to do with money and capital investment will naturally go batshit, since our expectations for increased wealth -- i.e. "growth" -- are predicated on the activities driven by oil.

    It will be interesting to see what new machinations are unveiled this week. Whatever else this catastrophe is, it's a good show from the cheap seats."



cheers
ken
*Cliffs*?
 
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