As i thought C19 was a Wuhan lab leak - It was never a conpiracist theory

mark3evo said:
www.theepochtimes.com

Republicans React to Energy Department’s Reported Finding That COVID ‘Likely’ Leaked From Wuhan Lab

www.theepochtimes.com www.theepochtimes.com

can't really blame China when gain of function tests were funded by Fauci and company

3 years on its man-made caused millions of deaths, near world economic breakdown etc

who should pay reparations ?
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Hold your horses there Kimosabee. If you read the actual report they say it has low certainty that it leaked. Possible yes. But low certainty. Sort of like can a Honda 125 beat a Busa. And they then proceed to tell you the Busa has a hole in 3 pistons and missing 3 teeth on the output shaft.

Yes the Honda could have a chance.

Don't let the Republican mouthpieces leave out the actual possibility.
 
TallTom said:
Hold your horses there Kimosabee. If you read the actual report they say it has low certainty that it leaked. Possible yes. But low certainty. Sort of like can a Honda 125 beat a Busa. And they then proceed to tell you the Busa has a hole in 3 pistons and missing 3 teeth on the output shaft.

Yes the Honda could have a chance.

Don't let the Republican mouthpieces leave out the actual possibility.
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there are plenty of other evidence

the one fingerprint of proof is there was only one source and that is around the wuhan lab

other natural outbreaks have multiple sources why animals move around , such as SARS

 
There is an email trail which early in 2020 most governments wanted to bury

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...

We are public health scientists who have closely followed the emergence of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and are deeply concerned about its impact on global health and wellbeing. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. https://www.nature.com/articles/S4159...
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0tNWUFwV3l2SS1DWXlMUDdQOTByUUNXdi02UXxBQ3Jtc0ttZWlsdzFqZUswWDhjblBjVnRiS0tiZ3BYWU9zQnd3NWhFbDRFMEZxQkdtY2hEdUhNYVRRdVQ4aHR1SFFYZWlVeUMzeWRwNG1VbDhpVDlJNUQyLTkxR3BXT2hMZ1lOR0FadUhqbXhITGpkZVBKNWZmWQ&q=https://www.nature.com/articles/S41591-020-0820-9&v=FckD6qL76uA
Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus. Conclusion Obtaining related viral sequences from animal sources would be the most definitive way of revealing viral origins. (Fully formed or evolutionary intermediate) UK experts helped shut down Covid lab leak theory - weeks after being told it might be true Sir Patrick Vallance among scientists behind paper that stifled debate into the origins of the virus https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpZz9... Top scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance, Were warned that virus could have evolved in lab animals Collaborated in above paper Debate therefore stifled To date Proximal origins paper Accessed more than 5.7 million times and cited in 2,627 subsequent papers. Emails from early 2020 FoI request, James Tobias, freelance journalist Authors held lengthy discussions with experts, Sir Patrick and Sir Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust Warned WIV had been carrying out research on bat-coronaviruses, at worrying levels of biosecurity. Research to alter Sars-like bat coronaviruses had been taking place for many years in Wuhan (not mentioned in paper) Sir Jeremy Farrar, (Wellcome) Wuhan was like the "Wild West". Prof Kristian Andersen, Scripps Research Institute La Jolla, California (lead author) had earlier told colleagues that features of the virus looked as if they’d been engineered in a lab. (No mention of this was made in the paper) Dr Jeremy Farrar, (Wellcome) It is important that we understand how all pathogens emerge so that we can prevent future pandemics as the efforts to gather evidence continue, it is important to stay open-minded Serial passaging Would cause the virus to contain o-glycans The second notable feature of SARS-CoV-2 is a polybasic cleavage site (RRAR) at the junction of S1 and S2 Prof Ron Fouchier, Dutch virologist (from another e mail chain) It is good that this possibility was discussed in detail with a team of experts. However, further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from active duties, and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular February 8th e mail Prof Edward Holmes (one of the authors) Ever since this outbreak started there have been suggestions that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, if only because of the coincidence of where the outbreak occurred and the location of the lab. I do a lot of work in China and I can tell you a lot of people there believe this and believe they are being lied to Prof Kristian Andersen, February 8th (Lead author) Passage of Sars-live coronaviruses have been going on for several years and more specifically in Wuhan under BSL-2 conditions BSL-2 laboratories are used to study moderate-risk infectious agents or toxins such as salmonella. Serious diseases should be handled in BSL-3 or 4 labs. Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) Importing bat coronaviruses from areas of China which hold the closest viruses to Covid-19 Had also applied for funding to manipulate viruses by inserting a furin cleavage site (FCS) The email chain Involved Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), an organisation which was funding research at the Wuhan lab. Senate report on viral origins the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 that resulted in the COVID-19 pandemic was most likely the result of a research-related incident https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media...
https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/new-evi...
https://www.researchgate.net/publicat...
Dec. 20, 2019 to Jan. 18, 2020 Searches for flu-like symptoms Differs from Previous Natural Zoonotic Spill overs Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) Lack of intermediate bats to humans Influenza H7N9 (2019) multiple independent introductions across multiple locations Geographically disparate, independent spill overs of H7N9
 
mark3evo said:
There is an email trail which early in 2020 most governments wanted to bury

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/la...

We are public health scientists who have closely followed the emergence of 2019 novel coronavirus disease (COVID-19) and are deeply concerned about its impact on global health and wellbeing. We stand together to strongly condemn conspiracy theories suggesting that COVID-19 does not have a natural origin. https://www.nature.com/articles/S4159...
https://www.youtube.com/redirect?event=video_description&redir_token=QUFFLUhqa0tNWUFwV3l2SS1DWXlMUDdQOTByUUNXdi02UXxBQ3Jtc0ttZWlsdzFqZUswWDhjblBjVnRiS0tiZ3BYWU9zQnd3NWhFbDRFMEZxQkdtY2hEdUhNYVRRdVQ4aHR1SFFYZWlVeUMzeWRwNG1VbDhpVDlJNUQyLTkxR3BXT2hMZ1lOR0FadUhqbXhITGpkZVBKNWZmWQ&q=https://www.nature.com/articles/S41591-020-0820-9&v=FckD6qL76uA
Our analyses clearly show that SARS-CoV-2 is not a laboratory construct or a purposefully manipulated virus. Conclusion Obtaining related viral sequences from animal sources would be the most definitive way of revealing viral origins. (Fully formed or evolutionary intermediate) UK experts helped shut down Covid lab leak theory - weeks after being told it might be true Sir Patrick Vallance among scientists behind paper that stifled debate into the origins of the virus https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpZz9... Top scientists including Sir Patrick Vallance, Were warned that virus could have evolved in lab animals Collaborated in above paper Debate therefore stifled To date Proximal origins paper Accessed more than 5.7 million times and cited in 2,627 subsequent papers. Emails from early 2020 FoI request, James Tobias, freelance journalist Authors held lengthy discussions with experts, Sir Patrick and Sir Jeremy Farrar, head of the Wellcome Trust Warned WIV had been carrying out research on bat-coronaviruses, at worrying levels of biosecurity. Research to alter Sars-like bat coronaviruses had been taking place for many years in Wuhan (not mentioned in paper) Sir Jeremy Farrar, (Wellcome) Wuhan was like the "Wild West". Prof Kristian Andersen, Scripps Research Institute La Jolla, California (lead author) had earlier told colleagues that features of the virus looked as if they’d been engineered in a lab. (No mention of this was made in the paper) Dr Jeremy Farrar, (Wellcome) It is important that we understand how all pathogens emerge so that we can prevent future pandemics as the efforts to gather evidence continue, it is important to stay open-minded Serial passaging Would cause the virus to contain o-glycans The second notable feature of SARS-CoV-2 is a polybasic cleavage site (RRAR) at the junction of S1 and S2 Prof Ron Fouchier, Dutch virologist (from another e mail chain) It is good that this possibility was discussed in detail with a team of experts. However, further debate about such accusations would unnecessarily distract top researchers from active duties, and do unnecessary harm to science in general and science in China in particular February 8th e mail Prof Edward Holmes (one of the authors) Ever since this outbreak started there have been suggestions that the virus escaped from the Wuhan lab, if only because of the coincidence of where the outbreak occurred and the location of the lab. I do a lot of work in China and I can tell you a lot of people there believe this and believe they are being lied to Prof Kristian Andersen, February 8th (Lead author) Passage of Sars-live coronaviruses have been going on for several years and more specifically in Wuhan under BSL-2 conditions BSL-2 laboratories are used to study moderate-risk infectious agents or toxins such as salmonella. Serious diseases should be handled in BSL-3 or 4 labs. Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) Importing bat coronaviruses from areas of China which hold the closest viruses to Covid-19 Had also applied for funding to manipulate viruses by inserting a furin cleavage site (FCS) The email chain Involved Anthony Fauci, the director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID), an organisation which was funding research at the Wuhan lab. Senate report on viral origins the emergence of SARS-CoV-2 that resulted in the COVID-19 pandemic was most likely the result of a research-related incident https://www.help.senate.gov/imo/media...
https://asiatimes.com/2022/10/new-evi...
https://www.researchgate.net/publicat...
Dec. 20, 2019 to Jan. 18, 2020 Searches for flu-like symptoms Differs from Previous Natural Zoonotic Spill overs Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS) Middle East Respiratory Syndrome (MERS) Lack of intermediate bats to humans Influenza H7N9 (2019) multiple independent introductions across multiple locations Geographically disparate, independent spill overs of H7N9
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Mark. This is gaining some traction. It seems the liberally appointed Director of the FBI is starting to share this alignment.

Dam*. If true, they are going to melt down having to admit Trump was right. They will start jumping off buildings!
 
TallTom said:
Mark. This is gaining some traction. It seems the liberally appointed Director of the FBI is starting to share this alignment.

Dam*. If true, they are going to melt down having to admit Trump was right. They will start jumping off buildings!
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Hi. I do not care if you are a Democrat, Republican or any other we will all ɓe finding out thst Trump was right about a lot of things. I do not care who is in office if they do good for the USA they will get my vote. OH has Biden sighined over our rights over to the WHO yet?
 
Bumblebee said:
With all the covert and overt labs running around the world some of which are working on some really, really lethal projects. I'm surprised mankind hasn't perished long ago...

There were lots of close calls here in North America...it was only a matter of time before some lab on the planet messed up...
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My Japanese neighbor said from day one she thought the Chinese purposely did this. I attributed her view to the long standing hatred between their countries.

But to attempt to deflect and suppress this evidence in order to manufacture a pandemic fear is beyond criminal. How dare they call Trump treasonous if they purposely hid this evidence. Millions of life's were taken from this.

Not to mention how much faster a vaccine could have come.
 
TallTom said:
My Japanese neighbor said from day one she thought the Chinese purposely did this. I attributed her view to the long standing hatred between their countries.

But to attempt to deflect and suppress this evidence in order to manufacture a pandemic fear is beyond criminal. How dare they call Trump treasonous if they purposely hid this evidence. Millions of life's were taken from this.

Not to mention how much faster a vaccine could have come.
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People have to realize that the Chinese government is not our friend....

If what we know about their practices rings true, their quality assurance and safety protocols most likely leave a lot to be desired....

It was known that the virus came from China-there is no way in my mind did this happen on purpose as it crippled their economy as well...
 
Bumblebee said:
People have to realize that the Chinese government is not our friend....

If what we know about their practices rings true, their quality assurance and safety protocols most likely leave a lot to be desired....

It was known that the virus came from China-there is no way in my mind did this happen on purpose as it crippled their economy as well...
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They have always been our enemy. In our quest for cheap labor our leaders decided they can't be our enemy.

Or maybe we collapsed their economy pre Covid. They made a crap load of $$ during the pandemic selling us medical supplies and equipment at "name thier price".

It may not have been intentional. It could have gotten out of a lab there by accident. It's not like they are going to invite us in to help out.
 
TallTom said:
They have always been our enemy. In our quest for cheap labor our leaders decided they can't be our enemy.

Or maybe we collapsed their economy pre Covid. They made a crap load of $$ during the pandemic selling us medical supplies and equipment at "name thier price".

It may not have been intentional. It could have gotten out of a lab there by accident. It's not like they are going to invite us in to help out.
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i fear many are missing the point, Wuhan lab worked in lockstep with US Lead 'gain of function' aka with Dr Fauci - who paid for this likely it was with help of honest Joe's taxes. it was leaked from a class 2 lab , it should have been in a class 3 or 4.

seems this is why so little backlash from US to China , in my opinion both countries are complicit
 
mark3evo said:
i fear many are missing the point, Wuhan lab worked in lockstep with US Lead 'gain of function' aka with Dr Fauci - who paid for this likely it was with help of honest Joe's taxes. it was leaked from a class 2 lab , it should have been in a class 3 or 4.

seems this is why so little backlash from US to China , in my opinion both countries are complicit
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I worked for my govt long enough and was placed in enough situations that I know we are into chyt deeper than most want to know or can ever prove.

That aside.

Just to see that they tried to suppress how this got introduced is enough. I have little faith that anyone will face charges. But it sure makes me start to stoke the coals of why I've lost faith in this country years ago.
 
TallTom said:
Mark. This is gaining some traction. It seems the liberally appointed Director of the FBI is starting to share this alignment.

Dam*. If true, they are going to melt down having to admit Trump was right. They will start jumping off buildings!
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Hi. I think the ones that were the spreaders Randy Marsh and Mickey Mouse when they went to China. LOL.
 
This was an unprecedented event, nobody had a clue as to what occurred at the time and hindsight is key here....

Governments HAD to react to protect their citizens.....it's easy to look back and pick out all the nuances that happened but at the time reaction was necessary.

China is a communist country which is not our friend and definitely were not forthcoming as to where the virus originated, nor were they going to admit they unleashed it on the world.

The only good thing that came out of this is knowledge. There are many labs operating around the globe, all we can do is hope they maintain proper protocols because the next virus that escapes containment could be deadly.
 
China declared sometime in the late 1940s that it aspired to gain control over the world under the direction of the CCP. Some here believe China wouldn't hurt its own people and ability to produce the goods required to keep it financial momentum going so it can remain strong and powerful. Based on what I have noticed, China doesn't have many issues with killing its own people... or the people of the USA and other places. Just consider the product called fentanyl and how much of it is distributed to America from China through the cartels in Mexico. Hundreds of pounds of this deadly drug are being found often which means a whole bunch of it is getting through our borders undetected. I wonder if the "Big Guy" is getting his 10% on those imported drugs?
 
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