cool vid i seen on another forum.
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why switzerland has a low crime rate
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YEAH!!!!! The US SHOULD Follow example! Unbelievable...AWESOME! Great share!
Now this should be passed on to the Obama Office.. This was great and the gentleman said it right ( gunz mean freedom )...
dk55belair
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There was a town in Georgia that had a terribly high crime rate(Kennesaw) maybe, and they passed a law that more or less said every home must own a firearm. The crime rate went to near zero and were talking 20 miles outside of Atlanta.
This is one of the reasons why the Nazis chose to respect the neutrality of the Swiss during WWII. Not too mention they are surrounded by mountains but every home and every citizen is armed and well trained. It also had alot to do with the fact the nazis deposited billions in bulk gold in Switzerland that is only now coming to light but that was not a major factor.
dk55belair
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I think the USA should put the father of every underage criminal in the jail cell with them. It would sure stop a lot of "the drop a baby and run" syndrome.
Only works when there are more good people around than bad
There are many more good folks who own guns than bad. Last estimate was there are over 200 million guns in private hands in this country.
Trouble is that when only one of those folks does something wrong they are singled out and talked about on CNN to ad nauseum making all the rest look bad.
Lets do a little figuring. Figure the percentage of criminal shootings in the USA as compared to the amount of guns owned.
2004 stats which you can see are far lower since 1992-93 which just so happens to be when most states enacted CWP laws.
A little more than 8,000 Homicides by handgun and around 4,000 by other guns.
So lets divide 12,000 by 200,000,000 guns and you get .000006% or 6 one hundred thousandth of a percent of guns owned are used to commit a crime.
???
I'd say we are pretty trustworthy in this subject.
Right-To-Carry Laws
Gun Control
* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course. (13)
* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws. (14)
* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states. (3)
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence." (13)
* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them. (13)(15)
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida
United States
homicide rate
-36%
-0.4%
firearm homicide rate
-37%
+15%
handgun homicide rate
-41%
+24%
(3)
* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. (15)
* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense. (7)
* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life. (7)
Accidents
* 1995 Fatal Accident Totals
Motor Vehicles
43,900
Falls
12,600
Poisonings
10,600
Drownings
4,500
Fires
4,100
Choking
2,800
Firearm
1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)
* For Children 14 and Under
Motor Vehicles
3,059
Drownings
1,024
Fires
883
Choking
213
Firearm
181 (2.7% of fatal accidents)
Falls
127
Poisonings
80
(8)
* There were 259 fatal firearm accidents for 15-19 year olds in 1995. (8)
* There were 6,319 fatal motor vehicle accidents for 15-20 year olds in 1996. (9)
Old stats yes but not much has changed since.
I say lets ban cars...
There are many more good folks who own guns than bad. Last estimate was there are over 200 million guns in private hands in this country.
Trouble is that when only one of those folks does something wrong they are singled out and talked about on CNN to ad nauseum making all the rest look bad.
Lets do a little figuring. Figure the percentage of criminal shootings in the USA as compared to the amount of guns owned.
2004 stats which you can see are far lower since 1992-93 which just so happens to be when most states enacted CWP laws.
A little more than 8,000 Homicides by handgun and around 4,000 by other guns.
So lets divide 12,000 by 200,000,000 guns and you get .000006% or 6 one hundred thousandth of a percent of guns owned are used to commit a crime.
???
I'd say we are pretty trustworthy in this subject.
Right-To-Carry Laws
Gun Control
* Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course. (13)
* In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws. (14)
* As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states. (3)
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated:
"lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence." (13)
* When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and August of 1992, Dade County recorded 4 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. None of these crimes resulted in an injury. The record keeping program was abandoned in 1992 because there were not enough incidents to justify tracking them. (13)(15)
* Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. Between 1987 and 1996, these changes occurred:
Florida
United States
homicide rate
-36%
-0.4%
firearm homicide rate
-37%
+15%
handgun homicide rate
-41%
+24%
(3)
* 221,443 concealed carry licenses were issued in Florida between October of 1987 and April of 1994. During that time, Florida recorded 18 crimes committed by licensees with firearms. (15)
* As of 1998, nationwide, there has been 1 recorded incident in which a permit holder shot someone following a traffic accident. The permit holder was not charged, as the grand jury ruled the shooting was in self defense. (7)
* As of 1998, no permit holder has ever shot a police officer. There have been several cases in which a permit holder has protected an officer's life. (7)
Accidents
* 1995 Fatal Accident Totals
Motor Vehicles
43,900
Falls
12,600
Poisonings
10,600
Drownings
4,500
Fires
4,100
Choking
2,800
Firearm
1,400 (1.5% of fatal accidents)
* For Children 14 and Under
Motor Vehicles
3,059
Drownings
1,024
Fires
883
Choking
213
Firearm
181 (2.7% of fatal accidents)
Falls
127
Poisonings
80
(8)
* There were 259 fatal firearm accidents for 15-19 year olds in 1995. (8)
* There were 6,319 fatal motor vehicle accidents for 15-20 year olds in 1996. (9)
Old stats yes but not much has changed since.
I say lets ban cars...
Hmmm I guess my post didn't come out well... what I mean is 1 good person in a home has his firearm to protect himself an his family and a gang of armed thugs come in the door with guns depending on what he is packing
he is outta luck 
on a second note I am for people owning guns any kind of guns
I am just for requiring gun registration an holding people responsible for who they sell their guns too. This jmo so don't flame me please 
Hmmm I guess my post didn't come out well... what I mean is 1 good person in a home has his firearm to protect himself an his family and a gang of armed thugs come in the door with guns depending on what he is packing
on a second note I am for people owning guns any kind of guns
Yes sorry Manny I misinterpreted you but my money would still be on the 1 well trained well disciplined homeowner who should practice regularly over the thugs who hold their guns sideways like Wesley Snipes ?
When one like me can draw from cover and place 2 to the chest and 1 to the head in less than a second as well as having dropped five steel plates in less than 2 seconds from a distance of 15ft they better watch the F out
Practice, practice, practice makes perfect !
Ding...ding..ding..ding..ding...done !
cipher5791
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Becareful what you ask for. Switzerland is a socialist society. Many people say Obama is taking us into socialism.
afterhours
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while it nice to discuss.....there simple facts that are overlooked.
1. Switzerland has mandatory service.
2. Everyman in Switzerland is trained in the proper use of a weapon, by the military.
its not a realistic comparison, because most buyers of firearms in America have little if any training at all.
Before everybody starts with the insults, I am pro 2nd ammendment....I just believe that it was intended to mean more that just tha bility to own firearms, it was intended to that citizens be trained in the proper use of them for the purpose of combat.
PS: the anti-gun crusaders care little about the facts, they do not care that it is proven that crime rates go down as the populace is given the ability to arm themselves....you cannot change thier opinions with facts.
1. Switzerland has mandatory service.
2. Everyman in Switzerland is trained in the proper use of a weapon, by the military.
its not a realistic comparison, because most buyers of firearms in America have little if any training at all.
Before everybody starts with the insults, I am pro 2nd ammendment....I just believe that it was intended to mean more that just tha bility to own firearms, it was intended to that citizens be trained in the proper use of them for the purpose of combat.
PS: the anti-gun crusaders care little about the facts, they do not care that it is proven that crime rates go down as the populace is given the ability to arm themselves....you cannot change thier opinions with facts.
Thyg0d
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We had that until yesterday over here as well..
Now we're going to use a proffesional army.. Which I kinda think is sad 'cause the military service actually makes men out of boys..
We can own handguns but it's regulated like crazy..
you have to show that you're activly competing and member in a club which you only can be by recommendation of at least two other members,
you have to shoot a test, you can't have a criminal record and so on..
You can own a hunting rifle but then you have to member of a hunting team,
take courses in hunting and how to take care of the animal you've shot..
Then of course we have the military guys and National Guard.. But it's strictly controlled by the military.
no matter what firearm you have, you have to have the weapons locked away in classified lockers, with the firing pin removed and stored elsewhere, you can't carry the handgun with you unless you going to a training or a competition and it must never be loaded...
We don't have that many shootings except between Hells Angels & Bandidos or some other criminal gangs but that just Darwin at it's best so..
How do they get guns you may ask.. Either they steal them from houses with firearms
or import them from some other country.. downside of having no borders within EU..
But still it's very seldom an innocent bystander gets killed by firearms..
Knife's are a bit more common over here though..
My personal view is that the more guns available the more people will get them stolen
and into the wrong hands and in the end you'll have more shootings..
I.e. it's not that often the owner of the gun that actually shoots someone it's more likely stolen and then used to shot/rob someone..
Yeah yeah, I know... I just stepped in a deep pile of sh*t because some of you guys really likes guns and you do have the right to defend yourself...
We don't.. we have to trust in the police and justice instead..
Which is best is for each one to decide...
I like it the way we have it anyway...
Now we're going to use a proffesional army.. Which I kinda think is sad 'cause the military service actually makes men out of boys..
We can own handguns but it's regulated like crazy..
you have to show that you're activly competing and member in a club which you only can be by recommendation of at least two other members,
you have to shoot a test, you can't have a criminal record and so on..
You can own a hunting rifle but then you have to member of a hunting team,
take courses in hunting and how to take care of the animal you've shot..
Then of course we have the military guys and National Guard.. But it's strictly controlled by the military.
no matter what firearm you have, you have to have the weapons locked away in classified lockers, with the firing pin removed and stored elsewhere, you can't carry the handgun with you unless you going to a training or a competition and it must never be loaded...
We don't have that many shootings except between Hells Angels & Bandidos or some other criminal gangs but that just Darwin at it's best so..
How do they get guns you may ask.. Either they steal them from houses with firearms
or import them from some other country.. downside of having no borders within EU..
But still it's very seldom an innocent bystander gets killed by firearms..
Knife's are a bit more common over here though..
My personal view is that the more guns available the more people will get them stolen
and into the wrong hands and in the end you'll have more shootings..
I.e. it's not that often the owner of the gun that actually shoots someone it's more likely stolen and then used to shot/rob someone..
Yeah yeah, I know... I just stepped in a deep pile of sh*t because some of you guys really likes guns and you do have the right to defend yourself...
We don't.. we have to trust in the police and justice instead..
Which is best is for each one to decide...
I like it the way we have it anyway...
While that may be true to some extent, you have to ask yourself, is it permissible to deny the rights of the many, because a few would break the law? It's the same argument for drunk driving. Just because a select few people can't make the mature decision to drive sober, it should not disenfranchise other from enjoying a drink responsibly.
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