Why Bikes Are Restricted

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instead of complaining--go vote! its your elected people who make these changes-- and by the way the gov. is not on speed restrictions nor the insurance co. its the guys who build them that got togehter and decided to "self impose" these sanctions-- why not everyone quit buying and see if they dont lift these restrictions---bet you a 1000 dollars they would have a true 200mph bike out next year--power is in the people and this is a "free"(yeah right) society!!!! oh well looks like i have the fastest bike ill ever own--busa
 
Ok,

While everyone is on these speed restrictions why don't we go over what we know. There has been no concrete evidnce that either teh Busa or the 12 is restricted. Just parinoia becuase the 12 wasn't as fast as claimed.

Even if the EU has imposed a speed restriction on bike (even though it was voluntary the manufacturers were forced to do it..just like paying taxes is voluntary if you want to stay out of jail). Why would that affect the USA? Maybe they could have a USA ECU and a EU ECU?? Oh wait, I think there are differnt part numbers.

What the EU does does not affect the US motor vehicle laws. In fact in the EU any aftermarket part has to be TUV approved. Not in the US.

Think about, the speed restriction IMHO is an urban myth.

-Dana
 
Actually, Dana - the speed restriction is not an urban myth. According to Bikenet online magazine, ALL major manufacturers of motorcycles will begin complying with voluntary, self-imposed speed restrictions on their hyper-sports bikes beginning in model year 2001. The reason for the voluntary restrictions were due to public outcry (mostly EU) over the top speed bike wars waged by the manufacturers. The manufacturers imposed these restrictions (186 mph or 300kph) upon themselves rather than face mandatory legal restrictions that were imminent in many EU countries.

The reason we should care here in the good ole US of A is that bike manufacturers are not going to produce two separate bike lines under the same model name (i.e., an EU version and US version). The cost is too prohibitive. This cost/benefit analysis applies even if we're talking different something as simple as different parts such as ECU's in the EU vs. US bikes. So manufacturers will make all bikes restricted because its cheaper AND they will still sell.

Bike restrictions (IMHO) should not have been a surprise to anyone. Production cars are already restricted to 150mph. Besides, the restrictions don't mean squat. I'll bet that the aftermarket parts manufacturers will come up with ECU's, pipes, jet kits or whatever else it takes to get around the "restrictions." Of course, these parts will be sold only for use on off-road bikes and bikes used on closed race courses only.
 
the reason for restricted bikes,or should i say (the last straw)was a hayabusa commercial in europe.a bmw and a mercedes on the autobahn,side by side flat out(155mph.resstricted)when along comes a busa at 190plus and lane splits them.eurpean gov. said you will restrict them or we will ban thier sale.186mph possible 155mph down the road. this is not gospel,but something i have read
 
Dana,
I watched Speedvision's Motorcyclist show. They tested the 12 & the Busa with a radar gun. In fact they tested them with two guns as one of the cops clocked the bikes at speed too.
They said that they could only get 184 out of the Busa and 183 from the 12R. They also added that last year with a 99 Busa they saw 189. The 2000 makes more power and the two bikes appear to wear the same plastic so that would mean that the Y2K bike would go faster but it doesn't, it goes slower. That seems like it's limited to me.

Jamie
 
Jamie,

I'm not saying you're far from the truth, but the fact of the matter is. Whether you ride a 1300cc sport bike, a 800cc cruiser or a 250cc dirt bike, you have poeple that will push themselves as well their bikes to the limit and beyond. Is it because they know they have insurance? I don't really think so. Some just ignore the fact that they are over their heads. Some no what they are doing but the proverbial 'sh** happens' comes in to play. Are our rates going higher because of them, nah, I don't see it. I mean more bikes are probably stolen in one day than ones that go down. And I honestly find it hard to believe that folks jump on a 10-13K motorcycle saying "I'm pushing this baby way past my skills because I know if I crash I have the insurance to cover me." Granted, some people do jump on their bikes and test their skills. But like I said at the beginning, they test them on all bikes, they get hurt on all bikes, they get killed on all bikes.

If they are limiting motorcycles, maybe you can lobby for manufacturers to sell unlimited ECU's to riders that can prove they have the skills to go over 155 mph. Maybe you can help determine the requirements for such.

[This message has been edited by JokerJ (edited 13 June 2000).]
 
Jamie Jamie Jamie... Why are you saying those things? Now you have to be real careful when you ride, cause you are gonna be the next one to CRASH!

Of course we won't know about it, cause you're gonna feel like crap when you crash.

Just a supersticion.
 
JC,

Let me see if I can undersatnd your logic. In order to save money and not produce two models Suzuki has seen better to make a new EDU that restricts the Busa nad at the same time Kawi decided to save money and develope a rumored ECU that restricts the ZX12 (when they supposedly had an ECU that made the 12 much faster)while at the same time causing a two month slip in the release date of the 12.

And I also want to be sure that we understand the 250kMH speed restriction on cars. First of all, high performance cars in Europe are not regulated to 250kMH. This is a simple FACT, not an urban myth. If you do not belive this, please look at the top speed of the following cars: 911, Boxster S, 911 Twin Turbo, Carrera RSR, F550, ect. They are not limited. Why, the europea governments do not want to force these companies out of business. Who will buy a $150,000 car that does 250kMH?

I have not yet seen anything but magazines hypothesis that bikes are restricted. Come on, lets see some proof.

-Dana
 
Joker, what is this thread about?


It's about me being pissed that limits are being set. It's about insurance company's pull on what laws are made and how a crash influences insurance companies decisions. Do you think a bike's top speed affects whether it get stolen or not? Please! Look at how laws are made and you'll see, they implement them slowly and in small steps. Today we're limited to 180mph tomorrow it'll be 150 and in a few years it'll be 100. Before you know it bike manufactures won't even make a bike bigger than 500cc because there's no need. Look at the way cigarette taxes climb and the way gun laws get tighter.

Don't come off acting like I'm the **** here. I'm bitching about limits, who the F-u-c-k are you to act like I'm the one who thinks he should be setting them.

I hate rules. I think once you're 18 you should be able to do whatever you want as long as it doesn't hurt someone else. If you want beast porn, bam there it is. If you want to drive 200mph, bam there it is. Wanna do drugs? Take your pick. Want to screw a prostitute.......? You get my drift? Whatever your heart desires. The limits should be set by each person's own little voice. I don't need some hypocrite telling me what I can't see or do.


Jamie
 
Dana,

What about the Speedvision test?

A more powerful Busa goes slower than a less powerful one?

How do you explain that?

It seems like a big coincidence that they top out very near 300kph, especially when they didn't the year before.

There is a guy on the ZX12 site who has upped his gearing and still goes the same speed. He has even run side by side with a stock bike. He now has a pipe on the bike with a custom filter on the intake and he still goes the same speed. That seems pretty convincing to me.

Jamie
 
It seems like the more posts I read and the more salvaged bikes I see the more upset I get. Recient posts on multiple boards have lead me to this post.

You know why bikes have speed /power limiters?
It's because people don't know their limits. Jerkoffs go buy a Hayabusa or a 12R or some other hyper bike and they toss it down the road. Instead of saying boy I was in over my head with that bike they say, "aw no problem, it was insured." Hey, on behalf of everyone who'd like to own a non restricted bike, THANKS.

It's these poor riders who give governments and insurance agencies the ammo they need to put a vise on our nuts. Every time someone drops their bike another log goes on the "these bikes are too powerful" fire. No logs go on the "this guy can't ride" fire though. Its a shame because not only do you make it harder for manufacturers to release these bikes, but you make it harder for the rest of us to insure them or even get them in our country.

What can you do? Take a course. Learn your limits on some other bike, like a Schwinn. Stop using the "I have full coverage insurance so it'll be ok" excuse. The next time someone asks you if a hyperbike is good to learn on tell them NO and insist that they learn on something weak and old. Honda VTR250s come to mind.


Look at guns. We're allowed to own them, but every time some sugar kid shoots someone at school the hoops we have to jump through to get a gun get higher and higher. Someday soon, we'll be like the UK, no guns.

It's the f-u-c-k sticks that are ruining it for the rest of us. The next time someone says they dumped their bike, chew them out, don't pat them on the head and say good thing you had insurance.

Jamie
 
Power to weight?

Who are you?

Weight has almost nothing to do with top speed. Top speed is hp pushing through wind. Weight would affect how quickly it got there.

Again, you're not impressing me with your "knowledge."

Jamie




[This message has been edited by Jamie (edited 14 June 2000).]
 
I give up you are as bad as Busa Won on the labusa site never answering a question just running the mouth.
I will leave you this little bit of info if power to weight has nothing to do with top speed then then I guess you must know something that every builder doesn't
So if you want to answer questions and prove something instead of running the mouth I will answer if not you are a waste of my time.
 
Jamie,

The point is that the 2000 are slower becuase they are restricted.

Did they test a 99 and 00 busa on the same day, same time, ect? If not everything I said will change speeds and you cannot compare the tests.

-Dana
 
Johnny,

You make me laugh.

In top speed, weight has nothing to do with it. Now if you wanted to turn or stop or drag race then yes, but top speed no.

Who's running at the mouth here? I posted on rider's accountability and you turned this into a debate about limiters.

A buddy of mine runs at the salt flats. His bike went faster with more weight. Sounds wrong to you doesn't it? He added weight for traction, put lead in his swing arm.

I tried to explain my thinking to you but you're to dense to understand.

One last time for you, maybe I can educate you tonight.

155hp= 189mph
160hp= 184mph

ERROR, more power equals more speed not less.

With your big fact finding comparo you did, were the two bikes run against each other for top speed? If not, then were they at least run against a radar gun? You admitted yourself that you didn't have enough road to get it all out. How do you call these facts?

In your next breath you told me the two Busas you "tested" ran the same quarter mile times. You must have one ultra quick Busa if a top speed limiter affects you quarter mile times.

Jamie
 
Geeeeeeezzz, Jamie, it's even more serious than I thought with you ... YOUR thread ... AH that's how it works according to you.

Well here's another one mixing in on your thread.

And get your facts straight for a start, autobahns with (partly) no speed limits are not in the UK but in Germany.

And with this, like with the restriction thing, it's funny to see how you think you know it all while being so much further away from all this "action" than many other (Euro) board-members that don't have as big a mouth and silently laugh at this ignorance.

There now, planned on staying out of this nonsense thread but you lured me into it.
 
Jamie,

who the F*** am I? I'm nobody. I was only saying that stolen bikes are just as much the reason for insurance rate hikes.

As far as you making the rules for the limits. I was working with you not against you. My statement only suggested you develope a system that would determine who has a limited bike (the novice riders, etc) and who doesn't (the serious, experienced rider).

I do want to say this, don't post your remarks if you can't handle the responses. And try reading them a second time before you decide to make rude remarks.
 
Oh, and just for the record Jamie, I'm all with you regarding what you started to say in this here thread about people possibly risking (too) much because of knowing that they've got full coverage anyway and thus influencing premiums for all of us in a negative way and sometimes even leading to bikes becoming close to impossible to insure and I also agree on the point you were trying to make about (too) inexperienced riders on bikes like these (it CAN be OK but if it's a combo of inexperienced and a no-brainer than it's bad for ALL of us again).

It's just stupid/silly that it all went down-hill after that in this thread thanks to several others as well, but mostly you IMHO.
 
JokerJ,
If you weren't being sarcastic than I'm sorry. I interpreted this line here, "If they are limiting motorcycles, maybe you can lobby for manufacturers to sell unlimited ECU's to riders that can prove they have the skills to go over 155 mph. Maybe you can help determine the requirements for such," as a smart *** remark. Sorry.

Animal,
D.a.m.n it, you're right. I misspoke there. I knew that the Autobahn was in Germany. I just got done watching a show on TV about top speed records that Auto Union set on it back in "the day." I'm so tired of these uphill battles every time I post on this site.

Listen this is the last time I'll reply to any limited or not crap. If anyone else wants to talk about lost freedom then post, if not don't bother because I'll ignore you.

Jamie

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