who needs a turbo?

[POWERHOUSE]

A 300 HP turbo busa can get the job done on a road race track. A 120 HP R6 will embarrass that fire breathing beast with ease. Like spanking a little school girl!

A turbo becomes relatively useless on the side of the tire. The turbo decision for every rider comes down to how the bike will be used. If corner carving track time is your game, a turbo may not be in your best interest.

I like spanking big school girls! ??? Lol

I agree with you 95 percent! I believe some smaller turbos have enough response to not be totally useless around corners. I do belive that for motorcycles n/a is the way to go for road courses. I do not plan to do road course but drag racing is my thing. Im thinking about getting a 1k for some road racing in the future tho.

You guys are pretty funny! Of course a 600 in the right hands will spank bigger bikes on a road course, but how 'bout we go to the drag strip or a land speed event? Who do you think is getting spanked like a school girl there? And if you get pushed off a cliff, you are not gonna want either bike, you're going to need a hang glider . . . the op's "who needs a turbo?" is finally starting to get answered here. We know a road racer doesn't, that's for sure. TB is right, if corner carving is your game, a turbo busa would not be your first choice!

So who NEEDS a turbo, anyway?

[Don Hardcastle]

There has to be a happy medium with a moderate NA build... I carve corners and like to open it up on the straight aways.... I'm a big guy like previously mentioned by a member.

[Boosted Cycle Perf]

I see a fair bit of speculation if you will about riding turbo bikes through corners. Let's please try to keep this factual as you never know who might read this info later on down the road.

Comparing an R6 to a Busa, even an NA Busa is apples to oranges. The Busa weighs more, it's wider, and has a longer wheelbase. The Busa will always be slower in a road race. Long sweepers and straights are where it shines.

As far as riding twisties, the bikes react really well. If you're riding aggressively the rpms should be high anyways when apexing the corner. Turbos love rpm, and will bring on power almost instantly. However with throttle control the power is VERY easily managed, and will come on as smooth as you would like. Other then dragging air filers and dump pipes, na to turbo aren't worlds apart. Just gonna change your riding style a little bit and you will find that you will be faster.

[Quiksilver]

I see a fair bit of speculation if you will about riding turbo bikes through corners. Let's please try to keep this factual as you never know who might read this info later on down the road.

Comparing an R6 to a Busa, even an NA Busa is apples to oranges. The Busa weighs more, it's wider, and has a longer wheelbase. The Busa will always be slower in a road race. Long sweepers and straights are where it shines.

As far as riding twisties, the bikes react really well. If you're riding aggressively the rpms should be high anyways when apexing the corner. Turbos love rpm, and will bring on power almost instantly. However with throttle control the power is VERY easily managed, and will come on as smooth as you would like. Other then dragging air filers and dump pipes, na to turbo aren't worlds apart. Just gonna change your riding style a little bit and you will find that you will be faster.

Absolutely correct. We'll said.

[Tufbusa]

You guys are pretty funny! Of course a 600 in the right hands will spank bigger bikes on a road course, but how 'bout we go to the drag strip or a land speed event? Who do you think is getting spanked like a school girl there? And if you get pushed off a cliff, you are not gonna want either bike, you're going to need a hang glider . . . the op's "who needs a turbo?" is finally starting to get answered here. We know a road racer doesn't, that's for sure. TB is right, if corner carving is your game, a turbo busa would not be your first choice!

So who NEEDS a turbo, anyway?

My point was not about the physical size of the busa compared to a smaller bike. I was pointing out the issue of turbo charged "Power band management" when the bike is off the center of the tire. If you added $300K for Moto GP style traction control to manage tire spin it's possible. As far as I know no one has ever pursued that avenue. What I can tell you is I've witnessed a number of turbo bikes at the track and they all pretty much coast through the corners.

My advise would be to leave the turbo bikes to what they do best, big power in a straight line. Well schooled riders feel for traction with the throttle beginning at full lean all the way to vertical. I dare you to try that with your turbo charged fire breathing busa!

[POWERHOUSE]

Rob is correct when he says that a properly tuned turbo is smooth and has very predictable throttle control and TB is correct about traction issues at full lean. What everyone should realize is that a turbo does NOT have to be on or off like a light switch. They do make great all-around bikes, and most people get used to them and want even more horsepower. Like a bunch of drug addicts . . .:stoopid:

[1busa]

Yeah I think this thread is heading in the wrong direction.... Don't wanna see this thread turn in2 a cornering/geometry debate

Bottom line is a turbo busa is and should be 4 fun! If your an average joe....not Marc Márquez or Valentino Rossi every single time you get on your bike it's ballz 2 the wall on city streets ??? but rather just a regular rider who is bored or perhaps looking for a little more oomph out of your ole busa and you got some $$$ burning a hole in your pocket give it a try.

You wanna drag knee and zip around a race track @ insane lean angles racing 4 an imaginary championship in your head get a track bike!!

Wanna debate lean angles and yada yada yada 4 the umpteenth time start up another thread!

[fallenarch]

We are looking at ultimates for each type of riding and that's really not the point. The great thing about a Busa is it is competent at everything. That's what hyper bikes were supposed to be about - great all around bikes that leave near earth orbit when you twist the throttle hard enough. So when we talk about improving on that, it seems like the turbo is a good choice.

[Quiksilver]

:stoopid::stoopid::stoopid::stoopid::stoopid:

We are looking at ultimates for each type of riding and that's really not the point. The great thing about a Busa is it is competent at everything. That's what hyper bikes were supposed to be about - great all around bikes that leave near earth orbit when you twist the throttle hard enough. So when we talk about improving on that, it seems like the turbo is a good choice.

Great all around bikes that leave near earth orbit when you twist the throttle hard enough. That's a new one nice!

I agree with Frank and rob, turbos can be smooth and predictable.

Frank I think I may be a boost junkie lol. After being terrified for a year I started to let loose some and learned where the boost comes in vs throttle and whatnot. At stock wheelbase everyone thought I was crazy. But turbo bikes aren't bad well only when you want them to be lol

[Got-Busa?]

I don't see the problem or why it's even being debated.... ???

If you have the means and are a level headed rider, WHY NOT TURBO YOUR BUSA FOR THE STREET AND/OR TRACK?

I looked at both options when I was looking to mod my bike. For what I was going to spend on a BIG BORE setup to run decent numbers in 1-Mile I wasn't far from a Turbo making a bunch more power. No reason to spend that kind of money and be capped on speeds when I can turn the boost up as I wish and go MUCH faster with stock bodywork. My bike looks stock, rides like stock, and makes two and a half times the power of a stock bike. With just a Turbo swap it will make over three times what a stock bike makes. I would say it's a BUCKET LIST ITEM if you haven't done it...

[raydog]

Do it Willie, what the heck?!

[Quiksilver]

Mine does

[fallenarch]

Its funny to hear busa people debating too much power! lol! It like the different between a bike with too much power and a bike with seriously too much power

[black diamond busa]

Now I find it funny that all these people are saying that a stage 1 turbo busa is useless. A gen1 turbo weighs around 530lbs and makes around 240-250HP. Doesn't the Kawasaki H2 have around those same specs? Everyone has all great things to say about that.

[fallenarch]

Actually the H2 is really useless!

[Boosted Cycle Perf]

Now I find it funny that all these people are saying that a stage 1 turbo busa is useless. A gen1 turbo weighs around 530lbs and makes around 240-250HP. Doesn't the Kawasaki H2 have around those same specs? Everyone has all great things to say about that.

The h2 is also 30k. For 30k I can build you a 600hp Busa, and put money back in your pocket.

[POWERHOUSE]

The h2 is also 30k. For 30k I can build you a 600hp Busa, and put money back in your pocket.

Yeah, 30K, and you get a supercharger with an impeller the size of 1/2 dollar making upwards of 25+ pounds of boost putting out a romping, stomping 220 crank horsepower . . . efficiency at its best!

[Don Hardcastle]

yeah, 30k, and you get a supercharger with an impeller the size of 1/2 dollar making upwards of 25+ pounds of boost putting out a romping, stomping 220 crank horsepower . . . Efficiency at its best!

guys guys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has wangs!!!!!

[1busa]

guys guys>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it has wangs!!!!!

Actually the flying nun version A.K.A. the H2R costs in the upwards of 50+GRAND!!! The H2 doesn't have wangs instead there are mirrors. So for 50 large you can get a non street legal non warranty alleged 300 HP bike you can park in your living room and have discussions about over cocktail parties

Do you have any idea what you could do with 50 GRAND and a busa!!!??

[shade]

375 hp in a straight line fills my crack pipe any day. So glad I went turbo
You want to blaze around corners like some moto gp skinny bastid you bought the wrong bike.