Poppy
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Yes, that setup is awesome! The bike is a little too long though....oh wait!
When is "stretched" to much?
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Yes, that setup is awesome! The bike is a little too long though....oh wait!
Buckeyes87
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10 over with 240 and rear shock re-valved with 17.9 kg spring, rides nice and handle really good for me.
Although the look is fantastic and the effort to create it is commendable, I believe, unless you are a drag racer or an LSR participant, 1" over is too much. I have a 0-6" swingarm on one of my Busas and so far have not extended it! Anyways, that doesn't mean I don't support people doing that mod, it's just that it has little to do with sport touring, twisties and track days so it isn't part of my motorcycle experience.
If I lived in the flatlands, who knows?!
If I lived in the flatlands, who knows?!
Tony Nitrous
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I tried to shorten mine.
IMO both the Busa and King are on the long side to start with.
The GSXR6 arm will do it, but there was trouble with it fouling at full height.
If I ever go aftermarket, i'd go -1 to +5 or -1.5 to +4.5
Would cover me to play with a shorter streetbike,
and still give me a 5" stretch for the strip.
B-King has a longer arm than the Busa,
but I cant put a Busa arm into it, unfortunatly.
IMO both the Busa and King are on the long side to start with.
The GSXR6 arm will do it, but there was trouble with it fouling at full height.
If I ever go aftermarket, i'd go -1 to +5 or -1.5 to +4.5
Would cover me to play with a shorter streetbike,
and still give me a 5" stretch for the strip.
B-King has a longer arm than the Busa,
but I cant put a Busa arm into it, unfortunatly.
BusainOrlandoFlorida
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BusainOrlandoFlorida
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The other day my eight yr old informed us that she forgot her shoes while we were going to her uncles farm. When we got there I made her a pair of slides out of cardboard and duct tape.
Custom slides, thank you very much.
she did not like them, but she wore them on the gravel !
Now they looked pretty crazy but very functional. I personally dont have a problem with looking crazy if thats what I like for the occasion.
Well there were some not so nice words tossed around about my creation but you know what ? Who cares... I liked them.
Now don't make me post a pic of her slides because I think they look pretty darn good and dont give a darn who doesnt like them or what they are called. (Made out of post office cardboard so they are red white and blue by the way !)
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OK, I'v already made the point that I am NOT on either side of this argument, if that's what it is. Some pics displayed above clearly reveal some beautiful and quality assembled, stretched Hayabusas. Conflict between org members over something like this, I believe, demonstrate some deeper desire to be confrontational so I won't waste my time "taking sides" as though one group is right and one group is wrong. Acting like, "I have all the right answers" is not a mark of intelligence.
So, attempting to post a fact based point, I would like to say this......if you extend your wheelbase, even one inch, it does have a profound effect on handling. For cruising, or even spirited riding in the mountains, a few inches longer Busa can fly with the group with no problems, BUT, please know that when you REALLY ask your Big Busa to dance on its edges, wheelbase, like rake, trail and suspension, all affect the motorcycles ability to carve like a thoroughbred. She is already at a disadvantage because of weight so her geometric set up is hypercritical.
Yes, for 98% of Busa owners, it doesn't matter, but for a few, every centimeter of "set up distances" is critical.
Forgive me, I just wanted to speak about the very edge of the Busas track and twisties ability because many of us orgsters spend a lot of time focusing on it! Doyle
So, attempting to post a fact based point, I would like to say this......if you extend your wheelbase, even one inch, it does have a profound effect on handling. For cruising, or even spirited riding in the mountains, a few inches longer Busa can fly with the group with no problems, BUT, please know that when you REALLY ask your Big Busa to dance on its edges, wheelbase, like rake, trail and suspension, all affect the motorcycles ability to carve like a thoroughbred. She is already at a disadvantage because of weight so her geometric set up is hypercritical.
Yes, for 98% of Busa owners, it doesn't matter, but for a few, every centimeter of "set up distances" is critical.
Forgive me, I just wanted to speak about the very edge of the Busas track and twisties ability because many of us orgsters spend a lot of time focusing on it! Doyle
I think a stretched busa is very appealing to the eye. Most who stretch seem not to end the beautification there and some have made their beloved busa into a work of art.
Swingarm extentions are apparently an asset for launching big horse power. Since drag racing is not my gig I'll let others comment on that aspect.
Before I voice my opinion let me say this, I have no issues with anyone stretching their ride. It's entirely up to the individual and whatever and however they choose to glorify their ride is no ones business but their own.
However, just so the ones who are pondering the thought of stretch are aware there is a price to pay when and if they choose to alter their suspension. As one poster stated, stretch up to a point has no affect on cornering. Whomever that was, you are badly mistaken. If you are impressed with Big Rods cornering on his 8 inch over 330 then it doesn't take much to impress you. As I recall you said if one didn't have the facts to STFU.
Well, let me help you out with some facts that you seem to have overlooked! Stretching does affect the ability of the bike to corner. Your busa came from the factory with both ends of the bike balanced in weight within a few pounds. By extending the rear wheel it transfers more weight to the front where the contact patch is only half the size of the rear. Now agressive cornering is going to take you much closer to overloading and washing out the front. This is probably your biggest concern cornering with an extended swingarm.
Weight transfer is only the beginning of the effects of the rear extention. Now you realize the extention has raised the rear so you add dog bones to lower that puppy down to look normal only to find the rear tire hits the undertail so you add a 1000# per inch shock spring to keep the tire from rubbing. Now it's a sweet ride and I can go romp the twisties and show off to my buddies who doubt me! Not so fast, your woahs are not quite over. Now your rear is so stiff with the overkill spring that the tire cannot properly follow the contour of the pavement over bumps and un-be-knowing to you your tire is skipping by loosing contact with the pavement when you hit a bump. This is not a problem you say! True, unless you are leaned over,,,,,,,,,,, then those skips become very serious problems because your rear tire is likely to skip right out from under you.
I could go on pointing out other issues that stretching creates (The geometry of your suspension is now all fookered up) and there are many but I think you get the picture. Stretching and agressive cornering should never be used in the same sentence. For those who think agressive cornering is a 15 degree lean angle through a sweeper, stretching will have little effect on you. If you desire to get 40 degrees of lean angle I can see a crash in your future.
My point is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, buy what you want, apply whatever mods you desire but keep in mind, it's wise to actually know your "Facts" before making suspension modifications. Going fast is more about suspension than HP. Cornering is all about suspension. Adding HP without proper suspension is a waste of money and can be dangerous. Suspension also dictates whether or not your tires can function at their best. If you want to ride well and improve your skills, first set your suspension up properly, it will make life much more enjoyable as well as increased safety!
Swingarm extentions are apparently an asset for launching big horse power. Since drag racing is not my gig I'll let others comment on that aspect.
Before I voice my opinion let me say this, I have no issues with anyone stretching their ride. It's entirely up to the individual and whatever and however they choose to glorify their ride is no ones business but their own.
However, just so the ones who are pondering the thought of stretch are aware there is a price to pay when and if they choose to alter their suspension. As one poster stated, stretch up to a point has no affect on cornering. Whomever that was, you are badly mistaken. If you are impressed with Big Rods cornering on his 8 inch over 330 then it doesn't take much to impress you. As I recall you said if one didn't have the facts to STFU.
Well, let me help you out with some facts that you seem to have overlooked! Stretching does affect the ability of the bike to corner. Your busa came from the factory with both ends of the bike balanced in weight within a few pounds. By extending the rear wheel it transfers more weight to the front where the contact patch is only half the size of the rear. Now agressive cornering is going to take you much closer to overloading and washing out the front. This is probably your biggest concern cornering with an extended swingarm.
Weight transfer is only the beginning of the effects of the rear extention. Now you realize the extention has raised the rear so you add dog bones to lower that puppy down to look normal only to find the rear tire hits the undertail so you add a 1000# per inch shock spring to keep the tire from rubbing. Now it's a sweet ride and I can go romp the twisties and show off to my buddies who doubt me! Not so fast, your woahs are not quite over. Now your rear is so stiff with the overkill spring that the tire cannot properly follow the contour of the pavement over bumps and un-be-knowing to you your tire is skipping by loosing contact with the pavement when you hit a bump. This is not a problem you say! True, unless you are leaned over,,,,,,,,,,, then those skips become very serious problems because your rear tire is likely to skip right out from under you.
I could go on pointing out other issues that stretching creates (The geometry of your suspension is now all fookered up) and there are many but I think you get the picture. Stretching and agressive cornering should never be used in the same sentence. For those who think agressive cornering is a 15 degree lean angle through a sweeper, stretching will have little effect on you. If you desire to get 40 degrees of lean angle I can see a crash in your future.
My point is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, buy what you want, apply whatever mods you desire but keep in mind, it's wise to actually know your "Facts" before making suspension modifications. Going fast is more about suspension than HP. Cornering is all about suspension. Adding HP without proper suspension is a waste of money and can be dangerous. Suspension also dictates whether or not your tires can function at their best. If you want to ride well and improve your skills, first set your suspension up properly, it will make life much more enjoyable as well as increased safety!
Wow guys, thanks for respecting my opinion so much that it can shatter your worlds.
Just let me clarify my opinion for you. I don't like stretched bikes, don't like the look, don't like the look of fat tires either or spikes, funky poser levers and kickstands, skulls, demons, most flames, Superman or Spiderman paint jobs or theme based bikes in general. Don't like rim stripes, fake CF mirrors, res covers or decals.
I'm a function over form guy. So if your a drag racer or a hill climber I can relate to an extended arm as it serves a purpose. On a street bike it's purely cosmetic. I don't think it looks good and it most certainly destroys it function. Those that don't think so are grossly uninformed.
Extending wheelbase alters every bike from a scooter to a Moto GP machine. When wheelbase is altered so is weight bias, swing arm angle, suspension travel, ride height, rake and trail etc. These geometry changes ARE going to degrade handling. On top of that, that fat tire adds unsprung weight and spinning mass. Both of which further compromise handling. These are simple facts that are easily found online or in almost any basic motorcycling book. Search for gyroscopic progression, M/C geometry or suspension.
So, if your going to be so bold as to say STFU, these things don't matter it's wise to have some concept of which you speak. In fact they all matter. Every manufacturer has teams of engineers dedicated to balancing them against each other.
It's also my opinion that you should do whatever you want with your bike. It's yours, your time, your money. If you think it looks good, then feel free to do it, as long as your willing to live with the consquences. Stretch, slam and paint a mural on it Personally, I can't understand why anyone would do it or spend the time and money on such a thing. For just a fraction of that time and money you could have something much better, new suspension, set up for you.
Someone asks how much stretch is too much? Any in my opinion. It's ugly and ruins handling. I would discourage anyone from doing it. Then again I just ride, don't go to Bike Nights, go to Bike Shows or hang out at Starbucks.
I think a stretched busa is very appealing to the eye. Most who stretch seem not to end the beautification there and some have made their beloved busa into a work of art.
Swingarm extentions are apparently an asset for launching big horse power. Since drag racing is not my gig I'll let others comment on that aspect.
Before I voice my opinion let me say this, I have no issues with anyone stretching their ride. It's entirely up to the individual and whatever and however they choose to glorify their ride is no ones business but their own.
However, just so the ones who are pondering the thought of stretch are aware there is a price to pay when and if they choose to alter their suspension. As one poster stated, stretch up to a point has no affect on cornering. Whomever that was, you are badly mistaken. If you are impressed with Big Rods cornering on his 8 inch over 330 then it doesn't take much to impress you. As I recall you said if one didn't have the facts to STFU.
Well, let me help you out with some facts that you seem to have overlooked! Stretching does affect the ability of the bike to corner. Your busa came from the factory with both ends of the bike balanced in weight within a few pounds. By extending the rear wheel it transfers more weight to the front where the contact patch is only half the size of the rear. Now agressive cornering is going to take you much closer to overloading and washing out the front. This is probably your biggest concern cornering with an extended swingarm.
Weight transfer is only the beginning of the effects of the rear extention. Now you realize the extention has raised the rear so you add dog bones to lower that puppy down to look normal only to find the rear tire hits the undertail so you add a 1000# per inch shock spring to keep the tire from rubbing. Now it's a sweet ride and I can go romp the twisties and show off to my buddies who doubt me! Not so fast, your woahs are not quite over. Now your rear is so stiff with the overkill spring that the tire cannot properly follow the contour of the pavement over bumps and un-be-knowing to you your tire is skipping by loosing contact with the pavement when you hit a bump. This is not a problem you say! True, unless you are leaned over,,,,,,,,,,, then those skips become very serious problems because your rear tire is likely to skip right out from under you.
I could go on pointing out other issues that stretching creates (The geometry of your suspension is now all fookered up) and there are many but I think you get the picture. Stretching and agressive cornering should never be used in the same sentence. For those who think agressive cornering is a 15 degree lean angle through a sweeper, stretching will have little effect on you. If you desire to get 40 degrees of lean angle I can see a crash in your future.
My point is,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, buy what you want, apply whatever mods you desire but keep in mind, it's wise to actually know your "Facts" before making suspension modifications. Going fast is more about suspension than HP. Cornering is all about suspension. Adding HP without proper suspension is a waste of money and can be dangerous. Suspension also dictates whether or not your tires can function at their best. If you want to ride well and improve your skills, first set your suspension up properly, it will make life much more enjoyable as well as increased safety!
No comment, don't want to be accused of being blinded by friendship again.
You guys behave yourselves or I'll be forced to close this down and I'm pretty darn sure the Original poster didn't have that in mind.
Give your opinions and then be done with it. No need to tell some one to stfu. Be respectful of each other and if you can't do that then I highly suggest you use the ignore button....it works wonders.
Give your opinions and then be done with it. No need to tell some one to stfu. Be respectful of each other and if you can't do that then I highly suggest you use the ignore button....it works wonders.
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Thanks EZDUZIT ! I have no problem with anyone's opinion. For a person to think that his or her opinion can " Shatter my World " is laughable. I don't care what you say. AGAIN... CHOOSE YOUR WORDS CAREFULLY !!! ALWAYS SHOW RESPECT !! People can except opinions as long as it is said with RESPECT !! The word " GHETTO " is DISRESPECTFUL !!!
Gpmo
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This is hot btw.
Great thing about bikes is the vast amount of customizing you can do to them to make them yours. Some mods do nothing other than make things sparkly and others to increase performance. All in all its one of the best parts about this industry/hobby/passion. I don't care for the pic that started this but to be negative and ridicule it is not fair of me.
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How could the work ghetto b offensive
Some ppl take stuff too serious !!!!
Because its disrespectful, if someone categorized you, you would have something to say to!
It's all in the rider. I'm no racing pro but I used to do real well in the mountains of the Shenandoah valley. Moving up here to the DC area and riding a 10over stretched Busa for a couple years afterwards left me very rusty. But, I've ridden with people on stock wheelbased Busa's and have been asked how I can make my stretched Busa turn so well. It's all in the rider.
You cannot take literal and racing info and apply it to the street without factoring in rider skill. That's where the problem lies as there's no mathimatical way to factor in all riders. Back when I was a decent corner carver I stretched my Busa 4", then to 6"over after 2-3yrs of riding stock wheelbased bikes. While I noticed a small deviation in handling from stock, it was by no means limiting until I really turned up the heat and started pushing faster than people should ride on the street. The only real concern I found was the bike's rear tire wanted to drift out more and I was leaving blackies coming out of most turns. This was at higher cornering speeds.
Most of the general riding public would never be riding a stretched or any bike like I was at that time, so any loss of turning ability is redundant and most will never notice at all. What I did find was that any stretch 7" or longer did have much more of an effect. It seemed to me that to stay stretched 6" or less will leave the bike to handle no problem.
You racers need to stop all this Literal crap about stretching bikes. No duh, ANY stretch effects handling, but to what degree? It's not much up to a point.
I do know what I'm talking about. And bud, you were not behind Bigrod at that meet. He was hauling the mail and knew exactly how to throw that fat tired Busa around. To the point that I have no issues of running a fat tire on my bike anymore. This is coming from a guy(me) that believed fatty's destroyed the handling and I believed all the BS false facts that float around the net. It's just most of the fat tired bikes are non-riders and we are all used to that and assume they ALL can't ride. Some can. I only wish Rod could take another ride. Hopefully in the future.
You cannot take literal and racing info and apply it to the street without factoring in rider skill. That's where the problem lies as there's no mathimatical way to factor in all riders. Back when I was a decent corner carver I stretched my Busa 4", then to 6"over after 2-3yrs of riding stock wheelbased bikes. While I noticed a small deviation in handling from stock, it was by no means limiting until I really turned up the heat and started pushing faster than people should ride on the street. The only real concern I found was the bike's rear tire wanted to drift out more and I was leaving blackies coming out of most turns. This was at higher cornering speeds.
Most of the general riding public would never be riding a stretched or any bike like I was at that time, so any loss of turning ability is redundant and most will never notice at all. What I did find was that any stretch 7" or longer did have much more of an effect. It seemed to me that to stay stretched 6" or less will leave the bike to handle no problem.
You racers need to stop all this Literal crap about stretching bikes. No duh, ANY stretch effects handling, but to what degree? It's not much up to a point.
I do know what I'm talking about. And bud, you were not behind Bigrod at that meet. He was hauling the mail and knew exactly how to throw that fat tired Busa around. To the point that I have no issues of running a fat tire on my bike anymore. This is coming from a guy(me) that believed fatty's destroyed the handling and I believed all the BS false facts that float around the net. It's just most of the fat tired bikes are non-riders and we are all used to that and assume they ALL can't ride. Some can. I only wish Rod could take another ride. Hopefully in the future.
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