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I have Beranger 6 piston front brake calipers and a Beringer 2 piston rear. I want to make the bike as light as I can. The calipers have stainless pistons. They weigh about 26.71 each so x 14=379.4 grams or about 13.355 oz. Titanium piston weight about 14.62 grams each so x 14 =204.68 grams or about 7.34 oz. I would save 6.015 oz at a cost of $ 1344.00 a lot cash ! I am looking into Phenolic pistons, I do not know the cost or the weight savings. I could go with aluminum pistons too again cost weight? I would have to have some make them for me, cost? Anyone have any info I could use? This bike will have many 1 off parts! I will post most all of what I do to the bike. I will list all the people and companies that help me.
















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On face value seems insane. But I know a lot of people here spend tons of money on weight savings. How does it compare to other things on a weight vs $$$. Also lots of people run one front rotor and say bike stops just as good.

Know lots of comments on weight but I believe you said weight was 150. So I’m sure your smaller than 99% of the people here.
 
I'm all for lightening up the Busa and I've spent quite a bit of money to achieve a sub 500lb street legal missile. However with that being said I think $1400 for 6 oz of weight reduction is absolutely STOOPID!!!

You will never.... I repeat NEVER be able to feel or determine a 60z weight reduction on your bike. That's like taking a piss before you get on your bike, not riding with your cell phone, or just don't top your bike off next time you get gas.
 
1busa said:
I'm all for lightening up the Busa and I've spent quite a bit of money to achieve a sub 500lb street legal missile. However with that being said I think $1400 for 6 oz of weight reduction is absolutely STOOPID!!!

You will never.... I repeat NEVER be able to feel or determine a 60z weight reduction on your bike. That's like taking a piss before you get on your bike, not riding with your cell phone, or just don't top your bike off next time you get gas.
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Hi all. Thank all of you for all the input. I am going to Jenny Craig lol! I do need to lose a few LBS to get to all in weight op 600 LBS total. I want to about 1 LBS per HP or less. This is my last build and want it to my best ever!
 
On previous posts , pretty sure Mike has stated that this bike is going to be possibly his very last full on project , and his intentions is to build the ultimate Turbo Busa to run in at least a couple of very serious competitive racing formulas . His stated part list is to be no expense spared , with top line lightweight components sourced , and where possible I guess , those parts also scrutinized for extra weight shedding . This particular bike would seem an exercise in what can be done to extremes with chassis weight reduction . The motor will also be done with the same no expense spared , and is to be built by Frank at Powerhouse , so I'm pretty sure a lot of us are looking forward to that monster motor build . The entire package , of weight reduction build / all power build combination , taken to the very limit of what's possible would seem the goal here , using every possible means to achieve that end result .
Some people want something and just get it done , the logic and rational are sometimes hard for others to fathom , so be it , just another example of the way of the world .
I recall Mike mentioning he was a veteran of Nam , helicopter ( slick ? ) door gunner I believe , so has lived and survived on the extreme edge , is no stranger to extremes , and it would seem , no fear when it comes to him being a pilot of this land based missile build !! Tuff enuff sir !!
I for one are very happy such enthusiastic Busa modifiers / builders are out there , doing it .
One last thing though , yes , a full thorough internal clear out before you ride this creation I'd say is highly recommended bro !!!
Cheers
 
Much better way to spend $1k+ IMO....:beerchug:

You start replacing hard parts like Subframes, airboxes, and kickstands now your talking POUNDS not ounces off your bike :race:
 
202mphbusa said:
Would aluminum really work????? saftey issues??
cause I could make caliper pistons out of aluminum
....I think,,,,,,no I am pretty sure......
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Brembo use aluminum pistons , 7075 T6 hard anodized ?? I don't know which aluminum series , but I know the finish is hard anodized . The calipers on my L2 , the black & also nickle GP4-RX series run them for sure , so do the P4 billet radial series , also the older axial p4 billet caliper . I am pretty sure the mono-bloc billet race variants run titanium pistons . Anyway pretty safe for street use and my calipers also tested at Hidden Valley Darwin Australia 3 day track sortie . Sound like its a possible option .
 
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Brembo use aluminum pistons , 7075 T6 hard anodized ?? I don't know which aluminum series , but I know the finish is hard anodized . The calipers on my L2 , the black & also nickle GP4-RX series run them for sure , so do the P4 billet radial series , also the older axial p4 billet caliper . I am pretty sure the mono-bloc billet race variants run titanium pistons . Anyway pretty safe for street use and my calipers also tested at Hidden Valley Darwin Australia 3 day track sortie . Sound like its a possible option .
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Hi all and to ROADTOAD 1340, 1Busa and 202mphbusa. Wow this is great stuff! To 1Busa I have a D M E 2008 sub frame 7 lbs lighter than stock . No kickstand when I race. On the street I will have an aluminum P S R stand with a lightened mount. To ROADTOAD1340 Thank you I went on over 3000 missions 283 hot, under fire. One time came home with 90 holes in the bird! Not counting yhe holes going out. I was wounded twice, stabed in right hand in hand to hand in 1966. I was short in the back in 1969. that is why my E mail is vn66676869@aol.com. I would gladly go fight N.K. or Iran today.To 202mphbusa I am very interested in what you said if you want call me at 774-328-2265 thank you all Michael Parris Heuberger.
 
michael parris heuberger said:
Hi all and to ROADTOAD 1340, 1Busa and 202mphbusa. Wow this is great stuff! To 1Busa I have a D M E 2008 sub frame 7 lbs lighter than stock . No kickstand when I race. On the street I will have an aluminum P S R stand with a lightened mount. To ROADTOAD1340 Thank you I went on over 3000 missions 283 hot, under fire. One time came home with 90 holes in the bird! Not counting yhe holes going out. I was wounded twice, stabed in right hand in hand to hand in 1966. I was short in the back in 1969. that is why my E mail is vn66676869@aol.com. I would gladly go fight N.K. or Iran today.To 202mphbusa I am very interested in what you said if you want call me at 774-328-2265 thank you all Michael Parris Heuberger.
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Hey Mike , mate , by the sounds you very definitely have lived a lot on the edge , tasted in life what I can only try to imagine and at best read about . Facing your own mortality multiple times as you have , could only promote a unique perspective and gathered knowledge in regards to ones valued time on this earth . You have rolled the dice many times and beaten chance , sincerely my upmost respect and count me honored to make your acquaintance .
I have a very favorite book titled "chickenhawk" , written by Robert Mason , a personal account of his tour in Vietnam flying UH-1 Huey . I found this book to be excellent . It is my only reference of pilots perspective of those insanely dangerous times .
Got to say , I read in another post Mike that in the 80's you were piloting a Kawasaki GPZ1100 based machine , I think running 7.6 @ 173mph ??... absolutely awesome stuff , that was Pro Bike over here in early to mid '90's . Clearly an adrenaline junkie of the highest caliber , this current build , your last pinnacle machine , a shining example that you are far from finished with this ethos .
Cheers
 
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I did a lot of research on brake calipers for the 14 last winter and determined that Berringer fronts were not going to save any weight although they do look very nice. I almost bought them. The single piston rear was a worthwhile weight loss. There is a company called ISR that makes calipers that are lighter than OEM and the price is close to that of Berringer. ISR was in Sweden, I believe. I don't know how costly they would be to get to the US. I found no US suppliers that had exactly what I needed for the 14...or I probably would have them now.

http://power-barn.com/brands/ISR-Brakes.html
 
Really like ISR , was considering them for L2 , was talking to Mike at Power Barn , and his price on 6 pistons ISR front calipers was excellent , but I decided on Brembo and bought the front calipers from him instead . Might go ISR next project bike , just for something different maybe .
 
Was rereading this and I was thinking. Maybe go to a super caliper like a Brembo M50, GP or something like that and then just use one of them? Seems like that might save a lot more than 6 oz? Personally I am against single calipers on the street. From what I hear they are significantly less powerful, fade quicker, and they can snatch the bike to the side if you go aggressive with a handful of front brake (all hear-say, not personal experience). Maybe someone already said that, just a thought.

The OP must be one of us senior citizens on here if he was flying in The Nam and much respect for his service and for still hitting it hard!
 
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