Turbo\'s-are they ready, really?
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Yngve - I'm not buying a turbo for the Busa anytime soon. I've already spent tens of thousands on a turbo car and I'm not in a hurry to do the same on my Busa. I'm just interested in what is coming to market and the different types of setups. IF I were to turbo my Busa I would want to go with a low boost setup that uses stock internals and injectors and offers easy installation. The Mr. Turbo low boost setup is directed towards that goal and worthy of consideration. If I were going for all out power and had lots of time and money I would consider more elaborate higher boost setups like the one you have been writing about. Your past reports have not gone unnoticed.
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Apples to oranges here. and whats with only showing from 6000 up i want to see the whole dyno chart. thats where the real tell tale signs are.how about showing boost pressure and the entire rpm range.this is useless otherwise.
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Stage one 250 HP $3900
Stock pistons, compression, and injectors. Stage one ecm.
Stage two 300 HP $4200
9:1 Pistons required, not supplied
Injector upgrade
Stage two ecm.
Stage three 350 HP $4900
9:1 Pistons, not supplied
Injector upgrade
Intercooler
Stage three ecm
Custom and full race kits will also be available by special order. Kits will be available next month. You would swap out your injectors and ecm for the upgrades. Can use stock exhaust!
Stock pistons, compression, and injectors. Stage one ecm.
Stage two 300 HP $4200
9:1 Pistons required, not supplied
Injector upgrade
Stage two ecm.
Stage three 350 HP $4900
9:1 Pistons, not supplied
Injector upgrade
Intercooler
Stage three ecm
Custom and full race kits will also be available by special order. Kits will be available next month. You would swap out your injectors and ecm for the upgrades. Can use stock exhaust!
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Let's put it this way any kit is better than having a stock bike and terrys kit is good bang for the buck.But suzuki did design the busa for pressurization and little resistance to the air flow and look at the stock air box and look at the mr.intake.granted it's a turbo but it's still a pressurized system like stock system only they use the turbo to overcome all that restriction in the manifold.and i'll bet that below 3-4k rpm power is less than stock and that power will not surpass stock band till 6k or so and i'm waiting to see the numbers so we'll see.
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If you do a search on turbo's you will find prices that I posted on the kits that I will be selling next month. The kit I will be selling will have newer technology and a little different approach to the turbo kit development. We will be using the ecm to change the rev. limiter, timing and other aspects of the bike. They are not trying to be the first ones with a turbo kit, but they are trying to give you the best kit for the best price. The intercooler will be the size of the one on a SVO mustang. I will be able to give you more detail next month.
Sherm. I have been posting about the mc-Xpress turbo kit for over 6 months now. I have seen the bike in real and seen it on the dyno. The day I was supposed to ride the busa it SNOWED but I got to ride the GSXR750 turbo the Kawa 750 turbo and a Honda 900 turbo from McXpress some days earlier. I didnt get to ride the Busa turbo because Roland Brown was supposed to try it and I was next in line. Then it snowed. 
Anyhow, if U go to www.mc-xpress.com U will se the bike for yourself.
MR turbo was some 6 months later on his project and it doesnt have Intercooler ( not a must but it sure a nice thing to have those hot summer nights )and its not capable of more than , lets see about 240 hp. The mcXpress kit gives out 320-340. The one I saw had 320. If U search U will find that I posted the numbers here in October. I think it had 300Nm at 6000 rpm. and 340 hp at 9500.
Only drawback to the Mc-Xpress kit is the price. 50,000,- SEK about 5000$.
Anyhow, if U go to www.mc-xpress.com U will se the bike for yourself.
MR turbo was some 6 months later on his project and it doesnt have Intercooler ( not a must but it sure a nice thing to have those hot summer nights )and its not capable of more than , lets see about 240 hp. The mcXpress kit gives out 320-340. The one I saw had 320. If U search U will find that I posted the numbers here in October. I think it had 300Nm at 6000 rpm. and 340 hp at 9500.
Only drawback to the Mc-Xpress kit is the price. 50,000,- SEK about 5000$.
Here is my post the 5 of OCT 1999
Yngve wrote :
"MC-Xpress Sweden Tlf+ 4691152005
SuperFlow Engine Dynamometer
GSX1300R 99/10/04 Turbo Intercooler
Owner Gary Rotwell ( yes THAT Gary Rotwell )
Rpm Torque ( Nm ) HP
6000 246,3 210
6500 266,8 247
7000 295,2 294
7300 300,7 313
7500 289,5 309
8000 292,4 333
8500 279,9 339
9000 266,4 341,5
9500 250,0 338
10000 237,5 338
10400 218,9 324
As U can see it has a max Torque 300,7Nm (216,3 ft/lb)@7300 and max horsepower 341,5@9000 , One bad m******f*****.
It has more than 300 hp from 7100 to 10400 where they aborted the run. If U cant wheelie on this bike, U must stop riding bikes "
Yngve wrote :
"MC-Xpress Sweden Tlf+ 4691152005
SuperFlow Engine Dynamometer
GSX1300R 99/10/04 Turbo Intercooler
Owner Gary Rotwell ( yes THAT Gary Rotwell )
Rpm Torque ( Nm ) HP
6000 246,3 210
6500 266,8 247
7000 295,2 294
7300 300,7 313
7500 289,5 309
8000 292,4 333
8500 279,9 339
9000 266,4 341,5
9500 250,0 338
10000 237,5 338
10400 218,9 324
As U can see it has a max Torque 300,7Nm (216,3 ft/lb)@7300 and max horsepower 341,5@9000 , One bad m******f*****.
It has more than 300 hp from 7100 to 10400 where they aborted the run. If U cant wheelie on this bike, U must stop riding bikes "
Just to see how they compared I put both side by side.
Most interesting is the different at "low" rews.
The McXpress starts build boost at 2500 rpm, dont know about the mrTurbo.
Just for fun. Europe vs Usa.
( just to remind U all that SAAB was the first to use Turbo in a car ( ok I know about the BMW and other project cars but SAAB was first on a real production car ))
MrTurbo,McXpress
6000 130hp 210 hp
6500 160hp 247 hp
7000 190hp 295 hp
7500 210hp 309 hp
8000 220hp 333 hp
8500 230hp 339 hp
9000 235hp 341 hp
9500 233hp 338 hp
10000 230hp 338hp
10500 220hp 324hp
Ride safe
Most interesting is the different at "low" rews.
The McXpress starts build boost at 2500 rpm, dont know about the mrTurbo.
Just for fun. Europe vs Usa.
( just to remind U all that SAAB was the first to use Turbo in a car ( ok I know about the BMW and other project cars but SAAB was first on a real production car ))
MrTurbo,McXpress
6000 130hp 210 hp
6500 160hp 247 hp
7000 190hp 295 hp
7500 210hp 309 hp
8000 220hp 333 hp
8500 230hp 339 hp
9000 235hp 341 hp
9500 233hp 338 hp
10000 230hp 338hp
10500 220hp 324hp
Ride safe OB_mbuehler
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I'm with Sherm on this one. Aside from Marty Kane's bike, I didn't think there were any kits out there yet. I'm curious to hear about the other two kits, though I can't find any online info comparing workmanship, power output, and most importantly cost. So far it looks like Mr. Turbo is the way to go since I only want 215 - 230hp, the installation looks like a snap, and its under 4 grand. Anyone have a price for the other two systems? Or a reason that the Mr. Turbo kit is of lower quality then the others?
Bob. U can set the pressure where U like it.
Funny thing is that the first Turbusa gave 340 at 1,2 bar pressure and the second one gave 320 at 0,8 bar pressure.
The difference was in the lower part of the powerband. I have posted that dynorun too.
I think it was something like 80 hp difference at 6000 rpm. And to be fair to mrTurbo and his followings , it a lot more controllable when U doesnt have that much hp at "low" rews. Motorhead asked for figures below 6000 but I dont have them. All I know that if U give it a handful in 6th gear at 80 mph it will wheelie and thats enough low speed hp for me
By the way I do like the mrTurbo-set up. I just like the mcXpress better ( Maybye because I know the man behind it and that I have ridden 3 turboes from him b4. And even if they were only 750 and 900 the behaved extremely well. even at low rews. I have ridden one from mrTurbo and one from RBracing and they werent that good. (
Can I stop now ?
Funny thing is that the first Turbusa gave 340 at 1,2 bar pressure and the second one gave 320 at 0,8 bar pressure.
The difference was in the lower part of the powerband. I have posted that dynorun too.
I think it was something like 80 hp difference at 6000 rpm. And to be fair to mrTurbo and his followings , it a lot more controllable when U doesnt have that much hp at "low" rews. Motorhead asked for figures below 6000 but I dont have them. All I know that if U give it a handful in 6th gear at 80 mph it will wheelie and thats enough low speed hp for me
By the way I do like the mrTurbo-set up. I just like the mcXpress better ( Maybye because I know the man behind it and that I have ridden 3 turboes from him b4. And even if they were only 750 and 900 the behaved extremely well. even at low rews. I have ridden one from mrTurbo and one from RBracing and they werent that good. (
Can I stop now ?
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this reminds me of the old muzzy pipe debate!
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Hmmm... Well, for street use the Mr. Turbo kit appears to fit my bill anyway. In the process of liquidating a Catamaran and Bandit 600 which should free up the necessary funds (and leave enough in my legal defense fund to cover a few tickets anyway). If a better-for-my-needs system shows up in the mean time, I'll be sure to check it out.
If a better-for-my-needs system shows up in the mean time, I'll be sure to check it out.OB_Turbo1186
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How many people here have ridden a turbo bike? I gurantee 250 hp would make most of you guys scared. Then again you might be like me. The first time I rode a turbo bike it made me laugh. The things are so damn fast its funny!
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That was my reponse first time I rode the Busa and gave it a handfull of throttle. BIG grin and a very long laugh! Haven't ridden a turbo bike before, but from what I'm hearing, this is going to be alot of fun!The bummer will be waiting the 4-6 weeks after order for the kit to be assembled and arrive.
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Turbo1186, you are right on the money. The extra HP the MC Express kit provides is nice, but most of that extra HP is unuseable. What will be interesting is what Motorhead suggested: dyno plots from 2000 rpm on up. A hard HP hit is impressive in its own right, but I'll take a softer hit with less peak HP anyday as it is much more ridable. The power to weight ratios of a Turbo Hayabusa border on absurd. I wish I had one!
Here is a horsepower and torque comparison between the Mr Turbo dyno chart on dragbike.com and the Motorcyclist dyno chart for the stock busa.
I can't get tables to come out so read it like this from left to right:
RPM - MrT hp - stock hp - MrT torque - stock torque.
3000 37 40 65 70
4000 60 63 79 83
5000 95 87 100 92
6000 135 105 118 92
7000 190 130 142 98
8000 220 145 144 95
9000 235 153 137 89
10000 230 121 153 80
somewhere between 4000 and 5000 RPM Mr T starts to make more power than stock and by 6000 its laying down 26 more ft-lb than stock. Lyle, maybe you ought to put your wheel money into turbo's.
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I can't get tables to come out so read it like this from left to right:
RPM - MrT hp - stock hp - MrT torque - stock torque.
3000 37 40 65 70
4000 60 63 79 83
5000 95 87 100 92
6000 135 105 118 92
7000 190 130 142 98
8000 220 145 144 95
9000 235 153 137 89
10000 230 121 153 80
somewhere between 4000 and 5000 RPM Mr T starts to make more power than stock and by 6000 its laying down 26 more ft-lb than stock. Lyle, maybe you ought to put your wheel money into turbo's.
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