This Is What Life Without Retirement Savings Looks Like

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Many seniors are stuck with lives of never-ending work—a fate that could befall millions in the coming decades.


CORONA, Calif.—Roberta Gordon never thought she’d still be alive at age 76. She definitely didn’t think she’d still be working. But every Saturday, she goes down to the local grocery store and hands out samples, earning $50 a day, because she needs the money.

“I’m a working woman again,” she told me, in the common room of the senior apartment complex where she now lives, here in California’s Inland Empire. Gordon has worked dozens of odd jobs throughout her life—as a house cleaner, a home health aide, a telemarketer, a librarian, a fundraiser—but at many times in her life, she didn’t have a steady job that paid into Social Security. She didn’t receive a pension. And she definitely wasn’t making enough to put aside money for retirement.

So now, at 76, she earns $915 a month through Social Security and through Supplemental Security Income, or SSI, a program for low-income seniors. Her rent, which she has had to cover solo since her roommate died in August, is $1,040 a month. She’s been taking on credit-card debt to cover the gap, and to pay for utilities, food, and other essentials. She often goes to a church food bank for supplies.

More and more older people are finding themselves in a similar situation as Baby Boomers reach retirement age without enough savings and as housing costs and medical expenses rise; for instance, a woman in her 80s is paying on average $8,400 in out-of-pocket medical expenses each year, even if she’s covered by Medicare. Many people reaching retirement age don’t have the pensions that lots of workers in previous generations did, and often have not put enough money into their 401(k)s to live off of; the median savings in a 401(k) plan for people between the ages of 55 and 64 is currently just $15,000, according to the National Institute on Retirement Security, a nonprofit. Other workers did not have access to a retirement plan through their employer.

That means that as people reach their mid-60s, they either have to dramatically curtail their spending or keep working to survive. “This will be the first time that we have a lot of people who find themselves downwardly mobile as they grow older,” Diane Oakley, the executive director of the National Institute on Retirement Security, told me. “They’re going to go from being near poor to poor.”

The problem is growing as more Baby Boomers reach retirement age—between 8,000 to 10,000 Americans turn 65 every day, according to Kevin Prindiville, the executive director of Justice in Aging, a nonprofit that addresses senior poverty. Older Americans were the only demographic for whom poverty rates increased in a statistically significant way between 2015 and 2016, according to Census Bureau data. While poverty fell among people 18 and under and people 18 to 64 between 2015 and 2016, it rose to 14.5 percent for people over 65, according to the Census Bureau’s Supplemental Poverty Measure, which is considered a more accurate measure of poverty because it takes into account health-care costs and other big expenses. “In the early decades of our work, we were serving communities that had been poor when they were younger,” Prindiville told me. “Increasingly, we’re seeing folks who are becoming poor for the first time in old age.”

This presents a worrying preview of what could befall millions of workers who will retire in the coming decades. If today’s seniors are struggling with retirement savings, what will become of the people of working age today, many of whom hold unsteady jobs and have patchwork incomes that leave little room for retirement savings? The current wave of senior poverty could just be the beginning. Two-thirds of Americans don’t contribute any money to a 401(k) or other retirement account, according to Census Bureau researchers. And this could have larger implications for the economy. If today’s middle-class households curtail their spending when they retire, the whole economy could suffer.

The retirement-savings system in the United States has three pillars: Social Security, employer-sponsored pensions or retirement-savings plans, and individual savings. But with the rise of less stable jobs and the decline of pensions, a larger share of older Americans are relying only on Social Security, without either of the two other pillars to contribute to their finances. This by definition means they have less money than they did when they were working: Social Security replaces only about 40 percent of an average wage earner’s income when they retire, while financial advisors say that retirees need at least 70 percent of their pre-retirement earnings to live comfortably.

Today’s seniors are so reliant on Social Security in part because companies that once provided pensions began, in the 1970s, to turn the responsibility of retirement saving over to individuals. Rather than “defined benefit” plans, in which people are guaranteed a certain amount of money every year in retirement, they receive “defined contribution” plans, which means the employer sets aside a certain amount of money per year. This switch saved companies money because it asked employees, not employers, to take on the risks associated with long-term investing. This means that the amount people receive is more affected by the ups and downs of the stock market, their individual wages, and interest rates. In 1979, 28 percent of private-sector workers had participated in defined-benefit retirement plans—by 2014, just 2 percent did, according to the Employee Benefit Research Institute, a nonprofit. By contrast, 7 percent of private-sector workers participated in defined-contribution plans in 1979—by 2014, 34 percent did.

The recession and economic trends in the years since have also worsened the finances of millions of seniors. Some bought homes during the housing boom and then found they owed more on their homes than they were worth, and had to walk away. Others invested in the stock market and saw their investments shrink dramatically. Jackie Matthews, now 76, lost her investments during the recession, and then had to sell her Arizona home in a short sale, netting only $3,000. She now lives near her family in Southern California, renting a room in a friend’s apartment, and budgets her finances carefully, skimping on meat and never buying anything new.

But even people who emerged from the recession relatively unscathed may have a hard time saving, according to a 2017 report from Government Accountability Office. Average wages, when adjusted for inflation, have remained near where they were in the 1970s, which makes it hard for workers to increase their savings. This has had a significant impact on the bottom 80 percent of workers, for whom average wages have remained relatively constant, even as income increased for the top 20 percent of households in the past three decades.

For many seniors, the answer to this lack of savings has meant working longer and longer, as Roberta Gordon is doing. Today, about 12.4 percent of the population aged 65 or older is still in the workforce, up from 3 percent in 2000, according to Oakley. I met a woman named Deborah Belleau who is 67 and works as a manager at a mobile-home park in Palm Springs, California. She worked as a waitress for 30 years, and often relied on government assistance as she raised her two children as a single mother. “You just don’t think about tomorrow” when you’re more worried about getting food on the table, she said. That means that today, though she receives money through Social Security, she can’t afford a cellphone or a TV. Her rent is $600 a month. She works full-time at the mobile-home park, despite aches and pains in her back and feet. Sometimes, when she wakes up, she can’t walk. But, she says, “I can’t quit. There’s no way I can live on $778 a month,” the amount she receives from Social Security.

These troubles can be particularly hard on women. That’s in part because they typically receive lower benefits than men do. In 2014, older women received on average $4,500 less annually in Social Security benefits than men did. They received lower wages when they worked, which leads to smaller monthly checks from Social Security. They also are more likely to take time off from work to care for children or aging parents, which translates to less time contributing to Social Security and thus lower monthly benefit amounts.

At least Belleau and others are physically able to work. Some seniors without retirement savings or a safety net have become homeless in recent years as housing costs have risen and they find themselves without the ability to generate income. “I see more homeless seniors than I’ve ever seen before” Rose Mayes, the executive director of the nonprofit Fair Housing Council of Riverside County, just east of Los Angeles, told me. In America in 2016, nearly half of all single homeless adults were aged 50 and older, compared to 11 percent in 1990.

What can be done to help today’s seniors and generations to come? There are two approaches, Prindiville says: help people save for old age and make retirement more affordable. As for the first approach, some states have been trying to establish programs that help people save for retirement through payroll deductions even if their employers don’t offer any retirement-savings accounts, for example. But the Trump administration in May repealed an Obama-era rule from the Department of Labor that would have made it easier for states to help people to set up these plans. And the federal government is winding down a program, called myRA, that tried to encourage middle- and low-income Americans to save for retirement. “There are no new initiatives or strategies coming out of the federal government at a time when the need is growing,” Prindiville said.

The second approach might mean expanding affordable housing options, creating programs to help seniors cover medical costs, and reforming the Supplemental Security Income program so that poor seniors can receive more benefits.But there does not seem to be much of an appetite for such ideas in Washington right now. In fact, the Trump administration has proposed cutting money from SSI as well as the Social Security Disability Income program.

These initiatives can make the difference between having a home—and some semblance of stability—and not. Roberta Gordon, in Corona, was barely scraping by when I talked to her. A few months later, she was much more stable. Why? She’d gotten off a wait list and been accepted into the housing-voucher program known as Section 8, which reduces the amount of income she has to put towards housing. She’s still working at 76, but she feels a little more secure now that she has more help. She knows, at least, that she’s one of the lucky ones—able, in her older years, to keep food on the table and a roof over her head.

Published on The Atlantic
 
I don’t even have to watch this to know it’s a bad idea. It’s probably more free stuff that they always promise. Free healthcare, free income, free education etc. I want to hear what their plan is when the money runs out. When the dollar is rendered worthless due to debt. Where do we go then?
 
I don’t even have to watch this to know it’s a bad idea. It’s probably more free stuff that they always promise. Free healthcare, free income, free education etc. I want to hear what their plan is when the money runs out. When the dollar is rendered worthless due to debt. Where do we go then?
Come on, you're brighter than that. You know the problem isn't lack of funds, is priority of application. There's plenty of money, Lord knows we pay enough in taxes, the problem lies in what the government spends it on.
 
I have very mixed feelings about these type stories. On the one hand, you want to find a reason that they simply didn't live smartly enough. On the other hand, not everyone can be assured that they know how long they will live and how much they will need. Nor that the Corp they worked for will pay out a pension that was planned.

I may not have enough to retire on. And I consider myself a planner. I watched my dad scrimp and save his whole life. Never living bad, but certainly not a life of splurging. Now I take care of mom on what he left behind for her. At 92 I can only say I have enough to know that as long as nothing catastrophic happens, I can likely get her through to the end. But one broken hip, and life as we know it will be a lot more difficult to figure out how long that would go.

I worked for an Aerospace Co for 12 years. At that time, I was what is called a "legacy" employee. My retirement was going to be made up of a pension, a 401K payout, and healthcare benefits. Didn't seem like that big a deal when you leave at 40. Not really caring what happened in 25 years. Then they sell off to a new company and the new company waits until I'm 55 and sends a letter that says, we can't afford your plan so instead here's pennies on the dollar in a lump sum. Totally legal. So rather than sulk I got back in the saddle and started working again. But NOTHING will offer me the type package I had planned on getting.

So people get stuck in this ladies story by doing nothing but the right thing. We can't all have jobs that pay into our retirement plan. SS was never supposed to be what we were to live on solely. Not everyone can make the 6 figure incomes that leaves room to invest for a future. Someone has to do the jobs she gladly did her whole life.

I actually think a plan that instead of putting it into the SS system, the govt should place that tax into like a stock indexed fund or some other growth vehicle. Like it or not the stock market has provided the highest gains overall despite its ups and downs. The same ups and downs that the 401Ks suffer. But all better than sitting there gaining ZERO gains and getting raided to pay for anything but peoples retirements.

You can argue that we should force lower house prices or controlled rents. But if you do that, you now affect MY retirement because that is what goes into part of my plans to not be like the woman above.

This like many of our other social problems isn't a black and white logic.
 
I don’t even have to watch this to know it’s a bad idea. It’s probably more free stuff that they always promise. Free healthcare, free income, free education etc. I want to hear what their plan is when the money runs out. When the dollar is rendered worthless due to debt. Where do we go then?

I’d try to respond but as you said, you “don’t even have to watch this to know it’s a bad idea” :confused:

Now, Sandow, WTH?
 
Come on, you're brighter than that. You know the problem isn't lack of funds, is priority of application. There's plenty of money, Lord knows we pay enough in taxes, the problem lies in what the government spends it on.
Actually we don’t pay enough in taxes. The government spends more money than they receive in taxes. That debt gets passed on to future generations to suffer. Have you ever stopped to think why a loaf of bread is $4 when it was only a dime 50 years ago or why a new Camaro is 40 thousand now when it was 3 thousand in 1969? That debt is the reason why. Endless wars and endless social programs funded by the federal reserve with money that is created out of thin air and then hit with interest. Eventually it will crumble!
 
Actually we don’t pay enough in taxes. The government spends more money than they receive in taxes. That debt gets passed on to future generations to suffer. Have you ever stopped to think why a loaf of bread is $4 when it was only a dime 50 years ago or why a new Camaro is 40 thousand now when it was 3 thousand in 1969? That debt is the reason why. Endless wars and endless social programs funded by the federal reserve with money that is created out of thin air and then hit with interest. Eventually it will crumble!
Not quite as simple as this, but certainly a contributor. A loaf of bread was a dime 50 years ago and your father made about $200 a week 50 years ago. Raising the pay accomplishes nothing after about the first year.

Something is wrong that we live in a country whereby a person can live in a run down $14K mobile home, and park a $70K car in the dirt driveway that leads up to it.
 
Not quite as simple as this, but certainly a contributor. A loaf of bread was a dime 50 years ago and your father made about $200 a week 50 years ago. Raising the pay accomplishes nothing after about the first year.

Something is wrong that we live in a country whereby a person can live in a run down $14K mobile home, and park a $70K car in the dirt driveway that leads up to it.
Hey my car wasn’t $70k! Lol
 
I learned at a young age to save money and not count on others or companies to secure my financial well being. I took ownership of that savings and only splurged when I really deserved it. I put as much as I can in my 401k and my health savings account that continues to roll over every year. When my wife and I had our first kid this past december I never felt burdened by medical bills because I had been stacking money away.

Social security is a huge ponzi scam that never would have worked out in the end.

A giant government stock fund would have so much control over any business that we shouldn't want that. Just think of the power a fund with trillions of dollars would have over decisions that companies are making.

People just need to learn that just because others have it doesnt mean you need to have it. It's a very hard lesson to learn but one that can set you on a path to financial freedom. And if someone makes fun of your $20 sneakers who cares. A more expensive pair still has rubber on the bottom. Still gets you where you need to go. Spend on something that actually brings value to your life.

End of my rant.
 
I learned at a young age to save money and not count on others or companies to secure my financial well being. I took ownership of that savings and only splurged when I really deserved it. I put as much as I can in my 401k and my health savings account that continues to roll over every year. When my wife and I had our first kid this past december I never felt burdened by medical bills because I had been stacking money away.

Social security is a huge ponzi scam that never would have worked out in the end.

A giant government stock fund would have so much control over any business that we shouldn't want that. Just think of the power a fund with trillions of dollars would have over decisions that companies are making.

People just need to learn that just because others have it doesnt mean you need to have it. It's a very hard lesson to learn but one that can set you on a path to financial freedom. And if someone makes fun of your $20 sneakers who cares. A more expensive pair still has rubber on the bottom. Still gets you where you need to go. Spend on something that actually brings value to your life.

End of my rant.
I wasn't clear enough the way I wrote that. I don't mean for the govt to be the buyer of the stock funds. I meant that the govt should take that tax and make us invest in a 401K as a forced retirement savings. Which is what they propose with SS payments.

If every 21 year old would start putting $15 a week into a 401K account for the rest of thier working life. They'd have no retirement money issues. Since they will pay taxes at 21, lets put it to a forced 401K retirement fund if their choosing.
 
I'd be up for that. I wish the govt would let me not pay for SS and allow me to take and into my 401k. My company can still pay their half of that tax into SS.

Itd be nice for force people to save but really it's more about education and learning about opportunity cost.

18-25 all should be trying to max a health savings account every year when they are healthy and not using the doctor. Sure you have a high deductible but if you aren't going it doesnt matter. Then a few years later when life happens you can have a little nest egg and not need to take on credit card debt. I realize that wont work for everyone since some people by 18 already have health issues. But anytime I look at my open enrollment option the high deductible is cheaper until I'm about 2k away from my max out of pocket. Then the low deductible plan starts to edge it out. That's over 30k in medical bills before that happens.
 
I'd be up for that. I wish the govt would let me not pay for SS and allow me to take and into my 401k. My company can still pay their half of that tax into SS.

Itd be nice for force people to save but really it's more about education and learning about opportunity cost.

18-25 all should be trying to max a health savings account every year when they are healthy and not using the doctor. Sure you have a high deductible but if you aren't going it doesnt matter. Then a few years later when life happens you can have a little nest egg and not need to take on credit card debt. I realize that wont work for everyone since some people by 18 already have health issues. But anytime I look at my open enrollment option the high deductible is cheaper until I'm about 2k away from my max out of pocket. Then the low deductible plan starts to edge it out. That's over 30k in medical bills before that happens.
The insurance at my company has been ruined. We have 60,000 employees so it’s not an issue of size. My deductible is $12,000 which basically means I pay for everything. It’s super cheap per month though! For $33 per month I can pay for something that I get no benefit from unless I’m knocking on deaths door! Lol
 
The insurance at my company has been ruined. We have 60,000 employees so it’s not an issue of size. My deductible is $12,000 which basically means I pay for everything. It’s super cheap per month though! For $33 per month I can pay for something that I get no benefit from unless I’m knocking on deaths door! Lol

Again it's great for young kids so they can build up the savings in the HSA so that when they start needing it the money is there to cover the deductible.

Does your company offer a lower deductible plan?

What's the cost difference if they do? What I minimally started doing was taking the difference of the low deductible plan vs high deductible and that's what I was putting into HSA.
 
Again it's great for young kids so they can build up the savings in the HSA so that when they start needing it the money is there to cover the deductible.

Does your company offer a lower deductible plan?

What's the cost difference if they do? What I minimally started doing was taking the difference of the low deductible plan vs high deductible and that's what I was putting into HSA.
That’s exactly what I do. They have the basic three tier Obamacare deal. Gold, silver and bronze. I chose the bronze and put the difference in the HSA. They match your contribution and they also give us bonus money for it if we meet certain health goals.
 
Actually we don’t pay enough in taxes. The government spends more money than they receive in taxes. That debt gets passed on to future generations to suffer. Have you ever stopped to think why a loaf of bread is $4 when it was only a dime 50 years ago or why a new Camaro is 40 thousand now when it was 3 thousand in 1969? That debt is the reason why. Endless wars and endless social programs funded by the federal reserve with money that is created out of thin air and then hit with interest. Eventually it will crumble!
I meant enough to fund the outgoing programs. I agree with you that the federal reserve is a problem, but we're going to have to agree to disagree about social programs. I feel those are absolutely necessary.
 
I meant enough to fund the outgoing programs. I agree with you that the federal reserve is a problem, but we're going to have to agree to disagree about social programs. I feel those are absolutely necessary.
I don’t think they are unnecessary! I just think they should be left to the states to decide like the constitution says.
 
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