The Massacre at the Batman Movie in Colorado.

[zukracer]

Have a look on TMZ. The guy posted on adultfriendfinder and his title was "will you come see me in jail" days ago. The clown knew what he was doing, his apartment is rigged to kill/mame anyone entering it. He's got issues for sure and just as someone with a CCW might not know how to react if fired at, had someone returned fire at this guy, perhaps it would have provided the encouragement for him to stop and run. It could have also escalated the situation and got more killed. No one will know. The fact is, as my buddy's dad (CCW carry instructor, police/military instructor, etc,etc) says "If you pull a weapon use it. Do not shoot to stop, kill whatever you are shooting at....and none of that playstation head shot crap, aim for the chest" Putting rounds on the target is the only way to stop someone like that and you have to think that if weapons were allowed into a theater in a pro gun state, the gunman would need to at least plan for it. As mentioned there are some places in the country I doubt would *ever* have the same attack for fear that the entire theater might return fire.

For the UN Treaty angle, perhaps that could play into it. That treaty will kill the 2nd amendment and we can only hope they don't sign it or if it is signed it can be unsigned later. It is pretty odd that random acts of violence happen around election times and key moments in political history when public opinion swings are important but I cant (don't want to) imagine that this treaty played into this event. If it did, I cant believe Obama or Clinton would have ever approved and it would be the action of some PAC or extremist group hoping to further drive the movement forward. One does wonder how someone who was a medical student with no formal military experience could rig his apartment as he has without some guidance of some sort. And for the record I am definitely NOT an Obama or Clinton fan.

Senseless violence of all types will continue to happen. Access to "how to" do things is unbelievably easy to find online. Access to main ingredients or weapons for those looking for them will remain easy regardless of legality. Same logic applies to all evil/bad acts "if they want it bad enough they will get it/do it". Applies to parking your bike or car, your money/stuff or even your life. And its evident all around the world, even in strict gun controlled states. No doubt the anti-gun folks will have a field day with this one but they'll be the same ones sitting there wondering why the cops couldn't stop a gunman when they arrive with no guns and have to wait for the special police.

 

[zukracer]

because of our gun laws we don't see violent crimes as often as you do, we also have a smaller population might have something to with it. Sorry Chris but i beleave americans carry guns out of fear, Our public officials only have there own interests at heart. For the most part though Canadians dont sue each other at the drop of a dime, mostly mind our own business and i feel safe in my own country enough not to be afraid of a criminal. I think the states is slowly imploding, it really is a shame. For the record Chris I dont like guns but i feel you should the right to own one just not carry in public.

I actually had a similar conversation with a guy from the UK just the other night at a hotel in Rochester NY. He and some of his coworkers from the UAE were discussing how the US puts almost 800 per 100k folks in jail vs 200-300 in Mexico and like 150ish for the UK per 100k folks. In the end we agreed that it was likely a mix of a few things. First the culture of the country was different. There was more of an engrained personal accountability for citizens and less of a litigious nature for folks, which ultimately allowed for more of what seems civilized but Darwinism inspired legal landscape. Second, population sizes. There's just way more folks slammed together in the US cities and suburban areas than most other countries. Third, some folks that were jailed in the US were there by choice. Homeless folks, indigent folks, etc that know they can do something like armed robbery with an unloaded gun that will land them in a place that provides conditioned air (hot/cold), cable tv, educational services, 3 square meals, a dry place to sleep, etc, etc for a period of time. There's also the institutionalized folks that wind up doing things to violate their parole because they cant adjust to free life again but I suggested that was probably a lot less than the other.

End of the day, guns dont kill folks any more than cars or McDonalds. Its personal choice by the one(s) accessing the instruments. Driving or eating crap fast food can be just as deadly as incorrect gun use, though sometimes it might take a little longer to see the harm and folks are very hesitant to say "you stroked out because you ate a big mac, large fry and apple pie every day for 25yrs and well your arteries were just blocked solid"

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

 

[BigBadDodge]

Apartment has been disarmed and the chemicals and what not were taken to an "undisclosed" location for disposal, waiting for the destruction of those channel 9's got a helicopter over it. (we used to party out in this area where they're disposal location is in high school)

Talked to my swat buddy for a bit this morning, i wont go into any detail but as he said " Paul, i was one of the first into columbine in 99, as a brand new father the scene was horrific, but clearing that theater, in the dark with alarms blaring and the movies still playing, that will haunt me till the day i die"

He also made mention about the apartment, where he was later moved to last night, "you got fbi, explosives crews from around the state, specialist's that have disarmed everything there is to disarm here and in iraq and afghanistan, all standing around going WTF, that scares me"

 

[skydivr]

because of our gun laws we don't see violent crimes as often as you do, we also have a smaller population might have something to with it. Sorry Chris but i beleave americans carry guns out of fear, Our public officials only have there own interests at heart. For the most part though Canadians dont sue each other at the drop of a dime, mostly mind our own business and i feel safe in my own country enough not to be afraid of a criminal. I think the states is slowly imploding, it really is a shame. For the record Chris I dont like guns but i feel you should the right to own one just not carry in public.

Your population is a LOT less compacted than ours has a LOT to do with it. And I know some Canadian police, you got plenty of bad guys up there too.

 

[Big Bo]

Sad Sad Sad. lease:lease:

 

[chrisjp]

do i fear criminals...yes...why....duh!!.... do we have more criminals here in the US. sure that comes with the territory of everyone wanting a piece of the pie and most not willing to work for it. will i carry a gun in case i need it....because the other option is not an option. i will not be a martyr (or my family) for someone else's misguided concepts of pacification (insert peace sign here and "ending violence starts with me" signs)

 

[mistaforty]

as a reactive society Im anxious about the reaction to this event. how will the movie theater industry respond? how will politicians respond? how will LE respond locally and in different localities?

there were too many variables to say someone carrying in that theater would have been able to respond effectively. the main variable being the gaseous substance that was introduced. that and low visibility change the whole scenario for even an experienced shooter and an experienced shooter is not necessarily prepared/trained for a combat situation. This situation would/could have involved returning fire, shooting from cover, shooting from unconventional positions, low light shooting, low visibility shooting, multiple friendlies, impaired shooting (effects from the gas) and more. just cuz youre carrying doesnt mean you will be effective response to something like this. you are carrying personal protection to be personally protected

also as said earlier you dont know what you'll do in a situation you have never experienced.

 

[BigBadDodge]

as a reactive society Im anxious about the reaction to this event. how will the movie theater industry respond? how will politicians respond? how will LE respond locally and in different localities?

there were too many variables to say someone carrying in that theater would have been able to respond effectively. the main variable being the gaseous substance that was introduced. that and low visibility change the whole scenario for even an experienced shooter and an experienced shooter is not necessarily prepared/trained for a combat situation. This situation would/could have involved returning fire, shooting from cover, shooting from unconventional positions, low light shooting, low visibility shooting, multiple friendlies, impaired shooting (effects from the gas) and more. just cuz youre carrying doesnt mean you will be effective response to something like this. you are carrying personal protection to be personally protected

also as said earlier you dont know what you'll do in a situation you have never experienced.

I'm also very curious as to what will unfold in the coming days, they are talking the building will be released back to the property company by wednesday, A big part of me really hopes the judge on monday just says ya know what your done, not wasting anyones time on you with a trial!! Personally i think the defense attorneys are fighting a loosing battle, i dont know law but i sure as hell wouldnt have taken the case!

Had someone had a gun there personally i believe this would have ended much differently, he was low and in a corner, not to mention facing the projector, combined with smoke and gas infront of him i think someone even partway up the stadium seating would have the upperhand, all the anti gun folks keep mentioning he had armor on, return fire wouldnt have done anything, that is definitely not the case!!! I have had two friends take rounds into vests, one was a 230gr. .45 hit him dead square in the chest and knocked him out cold, the bruising dang near covered his entire chest, the second was from a 9mm didnt knock him out but did put him down with broken ribs. While i have never been in the situation i do have extensive firearm training in "not optimum" conditions, could i have stopped it? Maybe, could i have made things worse by returning fire? Maybe, Would i have given my all trying to stop him? damn right!!!

Its come out locally (havent seen anything else on national news) He unloaded the shot gun, and started firing the AR, my police sources are saying the AR was jammed when they found it, they believe that is what stopped this, lord only knows what could have happened had this guy known how to clear his firearm and kept going. But in the back of my mind i tend to believe he knew the possibility of return fire with the downtime of unjamming the ar, dropped it and walked out. This guy was a smart kid, he had to know risks involved. I really hope everything comes out as to what the hell happened that night with him, there's just to much unknown right now, dont make sense!

 

[SKnight]

I don't carry because it's pretty decoration, I carry because a cop is too heavy to carry around. Couple that with a .45+P responds at 1150FPS vs. the three to five plus minute response time police average and I'll carry my own protection with me. I don't carry because I'm scared. I carry because our founding fathers gave us the right to the means to defend ourselves no matter what situation presents itself. If we don't exercise our rights we will lose them.

It would have been a really tough situation. Smoke, low light from a poor source (He would have likely been backlit, meaning just a silhouette.) a potential stampede, the single most stressful panic inducing situation imaginable with little margin for error. Unimaginable stress, your life is in danger, your family, the crowd and you have to pull off a shot from 30-100 feet away while he's moving. You have seconds to act, to decide. This was probably over within a minute, no more than two or three.

You determine there is/asses the threat, acquire the targets location and direction of travel, start thinking of a course of action, see to the safety of your family, draw your weapon (Two to three seconds on it's own.) and you've eaten up 20 seconds minimum, all before taking what tactical advantage you can find then seeing about pulling off the shot.

Too many folks think that they'll carry and if it hits the fan they'll simply pull and shoot the bastard. It's why training is so important, perception is often very far from the truth.

Between this and the Trayvon Martin case it worries me what may be coming regarding our future rights. The truth is that if it hadn't been firearms it would have been a bomb. Or poison gas. Or poisoning the food. This guy used firearms and bombs at his apartment. The flavor depends on the madman.

 

[BUSA CRUSEN]

I'm not too worried about losing any gun rights at this point in time. Politicians still have a healthy fear of the NRA. If you love your guns make sure to join up!

 

[masterblaster]

This guy is a immature murdering bastage, wtf the wrong is wrong with his family? They didn't notice anything wrong with this dude thinking he was the Joker at 24 years old? Glad they have him alive, we need to take this guy apart psychologically to see what makes him tick. Then execute him.

 

[zukracer]

This guy is a immature murdering bastage, wtf the wrong is wrong with his family? They didn't notice anything wrong with this dude thinking he was the Joker at 24 years old? Glad they have him alive, we need to take this guy apart psychologically to see what makes him tick. Then execute him.

I hope they find a way to let him be torn apart outside of the US where things like water boarding are allowed. He should be made to suffer every day of his adult life and kept alive with blood transfusions to endure more pain.

 

[Stilslo]

Not much on conspiracy theories, but a neurology student at a college that has recieved almost a billion dollars in grants and contracts since 2007 shoots up a movie theatre a week before the un gun grab treaty anybody heard of mk ultra?

 

[BigBadDodge]

Went down to the vigil tonight, was great seeing alot of old friends, unfortunately not under better circumstances, westboro was supposed to be there protesting it, heard they were up by the theater, but they sure werent at the vigil, have no clue how many people were there but it was a TON!! Was good to see none of the speakers would say the suspects name, and the news channels were refusing any coverage on wbc had they shown up!

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

Not much on conspiracy theories, but a neurology student at a college that has recieved almost a billion dollars in grants and contracts since 2007 shoots up a movie theatre a week before the un gun grab treaty anybody heard of mk ultra?

Isn't it strange? One of the most promising minds in society suddenly and simply snaps?
The difference between genius and insanity is simply the history books. Why are they not hilighting his past, where he's been, what groups he's worked with? Absolutely zero history and just snaps? BS?

Mk Ultra is a very real thing. Cia was experimenting with mind control decades ago and up until 1977 these things were unclassified. Since then it all been classified top secret. Imagine the advances and money spent in the last forty years.

 

[masterblaster]

You guys give too much credit to the CIA, they didn't foresee the Wall coming down, the Soviet Union dissolution, 9-11, the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR before it happened, they predicted Fidel and the Khomeini would be friendly toward the US, they are the frikken Keystone cops of the global intelligence services. You really think they can brainwash a frikken jackoff like this into becoming the Joker and killing a bunch of innocent people in Colorado? I think the jackoff most likely grew up in a dysfunctional family, hung out on the internet all day forgoing any real life social development then realized he couldn't get laid, then blamed society for not worshiping his superior intellect so he went and punished them to show how superior his dumass was. Simple as that, sad but simple. Either way, where the hell was his family, someone should have section 8ed this jackoff when he dyed his hair red and started talking like Jack Nicholson.

 

[Lazerblade]

Can you believe that a network news station would report something like this? I guess not. It's a shame.

Brian Ross of ABC ‘News’ Politicizes Colorado Shooting, Illicitly Blames Tea Party.


Brian Ross of ABC ‘News’ Politicizes Colorado Shooting, Illicitly Blames Tea Party | Wizbang

 

[Blanca BusaLess]

You guys give too much credit to the CIA, they didn't foresee the Wall coming down, the Soviet Union dissolution, 9-11, the invasion of Afghanistan by the USSR before it happened, they predicted Fidel and the Khomeini would be friendly toward the US, they are the frikken Keystone cops of the global intelligence services. You really think they can brainwash a frikken jackoff like this into becoming the Joker and killing a bunch of innocent people in Colorado? I think the jackoff most likely grew up in a dysfunctional family, hung out on the internet all day forgoing any real life social development then realized he couldn't get laid, then blamed society for not worshiping his superior intellect so he went and punished them to show how superior his dumass was. Simple as that, sad but simple. Either way, where the hell was his family, someone should have section 8ed this jackoff when he dyed his hair red and started talking like Jack Nicholson.

Maybe they are so good they've got you thinking they aren't?
Their plan is working perfectly

 

[MO-BUSA]

i just watched the video on cnn of this guy in court, is it me or is he on something, i mean just look at him he gets bug eyed then nods off, very strange....