Socialism and Panera Bread.

ali123 said:
https://www.dailywire.com/news/4310...ook&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=benshapiro "As with every socialist experiment, the natural harmony between the commoners and the power-brokers devolved into hostility"
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Nice ALI, Interesting read...Socialism is one of those things that sound terrific, I mean now even saying it aloud, "a restaurant where the poor eat free and the privileged get lower cost meals which ultimately fund the free meals"....it sounds genius. That is without taking into accountability, the people though. This really solidifies the fact that when given the option between right and wrong with no repercussions for either, 7 out of 10 people will choose wrong.
It is sad but unfortunately the truth. It is no wonder those Panera Cares stores couldnt survive. I also find that the people who really cant afford to give are the ones who do.
I think in part that is what makes this forum so special. You can have someone list something up on here free of charge and we know that the forum members will see to it that these budget parts reach the members most in need.
 
jeffgordons24 said:
Nice ALI, Interesting read...Socialism is one of those things that sound terrific, I mean now even saying it aloud, "a restaurant where the poor eat free and the privileged get lower cost meals which ultimately fund the free meals"....it sounds genius. That is without taking into accountability, the people though. This really solidifies the fact that when given the option between right and wrong with no repercussions for either, 7 out of 10 people will choose wrong.
It is sad but unfortunately the truth. It is no wonder those Panera Cares stores couldnt survive. I also find that the people who really cant afford to give are the ones who do.
I think in part that is what makes this forum so special. You can have someone list something up on here free of charge and we know that the forum members will see to it that these budget parts reach the members most in need.
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my grandmother used to tell me that morality is "What we choose to do when nobody is looking"...……………. even my fiancée tries to steal stuff now that Walmart is 100 percent self check out... drives me nuts.... I have scolded her more than once for doing this.... I will never steal anything….. I don't have to. not anymore..... god willing. … my girls code of morality seems to be "If it doesn't scan after the third attempt to pay for said item... it is free."
 
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Ben Shapiro has a particular world view. This story fits it nicely.
Steve, I question where you got your "fact" about 70% of people will choose wrong.
This model works elsewhere, has for years.
 
ali123 said:
my grandmother used to tell me that morality is "What we choose to do when nobody is looking"...……………. even my fiancée tries to steal stuff now that Walmart is 100 percent self check out... drives me nuts.... I have scolded her more than once for doing this.... I will never steal anything….. I don't have to. not anymore..... god willing.
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Oh man that is the same thing my first manager told me, well he asked if I knew what the definition of character was. and then as you said proceeded to tell me what we choose to do when nobody is looking.
Like you I cant steal I become guilty and worrisome.
 
Mr Brown said:
Ben Shapiro has a particular world view. This story fits it nicely.
Steve, I question where you got your "fact" about 70% of people will choose wrong.
This model works elsewhere, has for years.
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This was in a seminar I attended about 10 years ago when I worked for Cablevision in which they were outlining the percentage of individuals likely to take or abuse materials from the work place. This could be a skewed interpretation lol but they claim that when given the opportunity to do wrong many people seize the chance.
 
jeffgordons24 said:
This was in a seminar I attended about 10 years ago when I worked for Cablevision in which they were outlining the percentage of individuals likely to take or abuse materials from the work place. This could be a skewed interpretation lol but they claim that when given the opportunity to do wrong many people seize the chance.
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Evidence from larger social surveys doesn't support that claim, in fact the inverse is true. Even when controlled for age, class, race, religion and gender, the vast majority of people (around 78%) are honest most of the time. Your former employer had to justify unpopular policies I'd imagine.....
 
Mr Brown said:
Evidence from larger social surveys doesn't support that claim, in fact the inverse is true. Even when controlled for age, class, race, religion and gender, the vast majority of people (around 78%) are honest most of the time. Your former employer had to justify unpopular policies I'd imagine.....
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HAH that could actually be very true. The sad part is I have been under this delusion for the past 10 years of my life. If 78% of people are honest that is a damn good percentage. All these years of frowning on society and preparing to be screwed over.
 
It's always a good idea to keep your guard up, I'm not suggesting people don't do crappy things. But by and large people are honest the majority of the time.
 
I dunno.… if people fundamentally did the right thing.... then ideas like socialism could survive and thrive.
List of former Communist states
 
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ali123 said:
I dunno.… if people fundamentally did the right thing.... then ideas like socialism could survive and thrive.
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Socialism isn't predicated on people doing the right thing. It is not the same as communism, which is what China and the USSR nominally practiced.
 
Mr Brown said:
Socialism isn't predicated on people doing the right thing. It's a socio-economic system.
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working TOGETHER for the common good... Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways, but different in others.In a communist society, the working class owns everything, and EVERYONE works toward the same COMMUNAL GOAL.
 
And just as an interesting aside, how many of the 'socialist' countries you pulled off Wikipedia met their demise as a result of military intervention rather than intrinsic flaws?
 
IE.. a doctor would receive the same pay as a street sweeper. A manufacturer of weapons would NEVER steal any product and sell illegally.…. NO underground drug market..... also.... in many instances a centrally planned economy in 5 year increments... which make change nearly impossible... its a great idea.... but people suck.
 
ali123 said:
working TOGETHER for the common good... Communism and socialism are economic and political structures that promote equality and seek to eliminate social classes. The two are interchangeable in some ways, but different in others.In a communist society, the working class owns everything, and EVERYONE works toward the same COMMUNAL GOAL.
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Communism and Socialism have similarities, but they aren't interchangeable. They are indeed socio-economic in nature, and are commonly understood as political ideologies.
None of which has anything to do with people doing "the right thing". They are rewarded for their contributions.
 
ali123 said:
IE.. a doctor would receive the same pay as a street sweeper. A manufacturer of weapons would NEVER steal any product and sell illegally.…. NO underground drug market..... also.... in many instances a centrally planned economy in 5 year increments... which make change nearly impossible... its a great idea.... but people suck.
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This is a loose description of communism, not socialism. The key difference is ownership of the means of production. Communism gives it to the party, socialism to the workers.
 
Mr Brown said:
Communism and Socialism have similarities, but they aren't interchangeable. They are indeed socio-economic in nature, and are commonly understood as political ideologies.
None of which has anything to do with people doing "the right thing". They are rewarded for their contributions.
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20 million people died in socialisms "forced labor camps"..... via the intellegencia in the formet Soviet union.... I see ure trying to draw a distinction... but really..... who cares? soooooo closely related.. based off the same ideology.
 
Mr Brown said:
Communism and Socialism have similarities, but they aren't interchangeable. They are indeed socio-economic in nature, and are commonly understood as political ideologies.
None of which has anything to do with people doing "the right thing". They are rewarded for their contributions.
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well... for the millions in stalins forced labor camps.... they werrent rewarded.
 
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