U.S. News - Violent holiday weekend claims at least 10 lives in Chicago
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns?
When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns?
So I gotta ask, How's that Gun Control workin for ya, Chicago?
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Gun control, point , aim, squeeze 
Anyway only good citizens are affected by laws 
Anyway only good citizens are affected by laws 
What is that they say about history?
lil charlie
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I saw that report this morning and all I could do was shake my head. I will always have a gun...even if they change the laws and say I can't.
Ludicrous Speed
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I have never seen a state where one city contols EVERYTHING the rest of the state does...
Indy does not control Indiana, St Louis does not control Missouri..........
Indy does not control Indiana, St Louis does not control Missouri..........
lankeeyankee
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It's been proven by Kennesaw, GA.
Its proven long read but the stats dont lie.
Lets compare to a state I used live in New Jersey. New Jersey has one of the strictest gun laws! Did you know a BB gun such as a Red Ryder is considered an Asualt Weapon by New Jersey? If you want to buy one for your kid you have to apply for a gun permit which takes up to 90 Days!
New Jersey had and maybe still has the highest rate of car jackings in the US! Hmm If I am in the ilegal buisness of carjacking people should I start my buisness in New Jersey or a Southern State? Hmmmm?
In 1998 I was arrested and thrown in the back of a police car after 6 cop cars came fleaing in on my after I was pulled over for a minor traffic violation when I was coming back from a shooting range. I was up against unlawful possesion of a firearm which was up a 5000.00 fine and imprisonment. After spending almost 4K to have the case dropped I then realized that New Jersey can kiss my white well you know..
NJ!!
Gun Ownership - It's The
Law In Kennesaw
By Jonathan Hamilton and David Burch
Marietta Daily Journal Staff Writers
The Marietta Daily Journal - News, Sports, Classifieds, Businesses in Marietta, GA
3-14-1
KENNESAW, Ga - Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.
In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.
The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."
Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."
"People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."
In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.
Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.
"It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."
Mayor Leonard Church was not in office when the law was passed, but he said he is a staunch supporter of it.
"You can't argue with the fact that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of any city our size in the country," said Church, who owns a denture-making company in Kennesaw.
The author of the ordinance, local attorney Fred Bentley Sr., attributes at least some of the decrease in crime to the bill.
"I am definitely in favor of what we did," he said. "It may not be totally responsible for the decrease, [but] it is a part."
Although he is pleased with the outcome, Bentley said he was originally opposed to drafting the law.
"I didn't think it could be written in a constitutional fashion," he said. "Obviously, it was constitutional, because the American Civil Liberties Union challenged it in court and we won."
Jones said the ACLU challenged the law in a federal court just after it was passed. In response, the city added a clause adding conscientious objectors to the list of those exempt.
Although the law is now being credited with a drop in crime, Jones said that was not the law's original purpose. He also pointed out that Kennesaw did not have a big problem with crime before.
"The crime rate wasn't that high to start with. It was 11 burglaries per 1,000 residents in 1981," he said.
According to the Kennesaw Police Department, the city's most recent crime statistics show 243 property crimes per 100,000 residents in 1998, or .243 per 1,000.
The city's crime rate continues to be far below other metro Atlanta city's with similar populations, like Decatur. In 1998, Decatur recorded 4,049 property crimes per 100,000 residents.
Jones said one motivation for the council passing the ordinance had to do with publicity.
"It was done in response to a law passed by Morton Grove, Ill., outlawing gun ownership within the city limits," he said. "Several council members were upset Morton Grove had gotten a lot of attention with their ordinance so they decided to top them.
"They figured the gun ownership ordinance would knock that city right off the front pages. They were right."
Jones said the ensuing publicity surrounding the law has given Kennesaw worldwide name recognition.
"I have been to Australia and Europe and when I tell people I am from Kennesaw they recognize the name as the place that requires everyone to own a gun," he said.
But Stephenson said the issue was not publicity-driven but issue-driven.
"We believed in the right of people to own guns," he said.
Jones said he has sold 550 copies of a 1994 book about the first-of-its-kind law, "The Law Heard 'Round the World."
He said the law in its final form has many loopholes, so not everyone is required to own a gun.
"There are many outs," he said. "When you look at it, almost anyone could fit into one of the exempted groups."
Kennesaw Police Chief Dwaine Wilson said no one has ever been prosecuted under the ordinance.
Among those exempt are residents "who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine." Others exempt include the physically and mentally disabled, paupers and those convicted of a felony.
The law contains no clause addressing punishment for violating the law. If convicted, City Clerk Diane Coker said punishment would be determined by the general penalty clause of the Kennesaw Code Ordinance - probably a fine of about $100.
Jones said the unusual law has not deterred anyone from moving to Kennesaw.
"Our population has increased just like everyone's in Georgia in the past 20 years," he said. "The law really hasn't done any harm to the city's growth."
The city's population in 1998 was recorded at 14,493 - a sharp increase over the 8,936 residents recorded in the 1990 census.
Cobb Chamber of Commerce president Bill Cooper said odd laws are typically not counted as strike against a city when a business is looking to relocate.
"These laws don't have laws don't have an impact on a company's decision to move to Cobb County," Cooper said.
"Many communities have strange laws that are out of date. Businesses look at many factors when relocating, such as quality of life, education, infrastructure and available workforce."
Bentley said the law actually may have helped business development.
"Kennesaw is home to more manufacturing businesses than any other Cobb city," he said. "Companies have said they want to be located in conservative areas."
And Kennesaw isn't the only city in Cobb with an unusual law on the books.
According to Jeff Koon, who runs a Web site specializing in funny laws, Dumblaws.com, Acworth has a ordinance requiring residents to own a rake.
In Marietta, it is illegal to spit from a car or a bus, but perfectly legal to spit from a truck.
Its proven long read but the stats dont lie.
Lets compare to a state I used live in New Jersey. New Jersey has one of the strictest gun laws! Did you know a BB gun such as a Red Ryder is considered an Asualt Weapon by New Jersey? If you want to buy one for your kid you have to apply for a gun permit which takes up to 90 Days!
New Jersey had and maybe still has the highest rate of car jackings in the US! Hmm If I am in the ilegal buisness of carjacking people should I start my buisness in New Jersey or a Southern State? Hmmmm?
In 1998 I was arrested and thrown in the back of a police car after 6 cop cars came fleaing in on my after I was pulled over for a minor traffic violation when I was coming back from a shooting range. I was up against unlawful possesion of a firearm which was up a 5000.00 fine and imprisonment. After spending almost 4K to have the case dropped I then realized that New Jersey can kiss my white well you know..
NJ!!Gun Ownership - It's The
Law In Kennesaw
By Jonathan Hamilton and David Burch
Marietta Daily Journal Staff Writers
The Marietta Daily Journal - News, Sports, Classifieds, Businesses in Marietta, GA
3-14-1
KENNESAW, Ga - Several Kennesaw officials attribute a drop in crime in the city over the past two decades to a law that requires residents to have a gun in the house.
In 1982, the Kennesaw City Council unanimously passed a law requiring heads of households to own at least one firearm with ammunition.
The ordinance states the gun law is needed to "protect the safety, security and general welfare of the city and its inhabitants."
Then-councilman J.O. Stephenson said after the ordinance was passed, everyone "went crazy."
"People all over the country said there would be shootings in the street and violence in homes," he said. "Of course, that wasn't the case."
In fact, according to Stephenson, it caused the crime rate in the city to plunge.
Kennesaw Historical Society president Robert Jones said following the law's passage, the crime rate dropped 89 percent in the city, compared to the modest 10 percent drop statewide.
"It did drop after it was passed," he said. "After it initially dropped, it has stayed at the same low level for the past 16 years."
Mayor Leonard Church was not in office when the law was passed, but he said he is a staunch supporter of it.
"You can't argue with the fact that Kennesaw has the lowest crime rate of any city our size in the country," said Church, who owns a denture-making company in Kennesaw.
The author of the ordinance, local attorney Fred Bentley Sr., attributes at least some of the decrease in crime to the bill.
"I am definitely in favor of what we did," he said. "It may not be totally responsible for the decrease, [but] it is a part."
Although he is pleased with the outcome, Bentley said he was originally opposed to drafting the law.
"I didn't think it could be written in a constitutional fashion," he said. "Obviously, it was constitutional, because the American Civil Liberties Union challenged it in court and we won."
Jones said the ACLU challenged the law in a federal court just after it was passed. In response, the city added a clause adding conscientious objectors to the list of those exempt.
Although the law is now being credited with a drop in crime, Jones said that was not the law's original purpose. He also pointed out that Kennesaw did not have a big problem with crime before.
"The crime rate wasn't that high to start with. It was 11 burglaries per 1,000 residents in 1981," he said.
According to the Kennesaw Police Department, the city's most recent crime statistics show 243 property crimes per 100,000 residents in 1998, or .243 per 1,000.
The city's crime rate continues to be far below other metro Atlanta city's with similar populations, like Decatur. In 1998, Decatur recorded 4,049 property crimes per 100,000 residents.
Jones said one motivation for the council passing the ordinance had to do with publicity.
"It was done in response to a law passed by Morton Grove, Ill., outlawing gun ownership within the city limits," he said. "Several council members were upset Morton Grove had gotten a lot of attention with their ordinance so they decided to top them.
"They figured the gun ownership ordinance would knock that city right off the front pages. They were right."
Jones said the ensuing publicity surrounding the law has given Kennesaw worldwide name recognition.
"I have been to Australia and Europe and when I tell people I am from Kennesaw they recognize the name as the place that requires everyone to own a gun," he said.
But Stephenson said the issue was not publicity-driven but issue-driven.
"We believed in the right of people to own guns," he said.
Jones said he has sold 550 copies of a 1994 book about the first-of-its-kind law, "The Law Heard 'Round the World."
He said the law in its final form has many loopholes, so not everyone is required to own a gun.
"There are many outs," he said. "When you look at it, almost anyone could fit into one of the exempted groups."
Kennesaw Police Chief Dwaine Wilson said no one has ever been prosecuted under the ordinance.
Among those exempt are residents "who conscientiously oppose maintaining firearms as a result of beliefs or religious doctrine." Others exempt include the physically and mentally disabled, paupers and those convicted of a felony.
The law contains no clause addressing punishment for violating the law. If convicted, City Clerk Diane Coker said punishment would be determined by the general penalty clause of the Kennesaw Code Ordinance - probably a fine of about $100.
Jones said the unusual law has not deterred anyone from moving to Kennesaw.
"Our population has increased just like everyone's in Georgia in the past 20 years," he said. "The law really hasn't done any harm to the city's growth."
The city's population in 1998 was recorded at 14,493 - a sharp increase over the 8,936 residents recorded in the 1990 census.
Cobb Chamber of Commerce president Bill Cooper said odd laws are typically not counted as strike against a city when a business is looking to relocate.
"These laws don't have laws don't have an impact on a company's decision to move to Cobb County," Cooper said.
"Many communities have strange laws that are out of date. Businesses look at many factors when relocating, such as quality of life, education, infrastructure and available workforce."
Bentley said the law actually may have helped business development.
"Kennesaw is home to more manufacturing businesses than any other Cobb city," he said. "Companies have said they want to be located in conservative areas."
And Kennesaw isn't the only city in Cobb with an unusual law on the books.
According to Jeff Koon, who runs a Web site specializing in funny laws, Dumblaws.com, Acworth has a ordinance requiring residents to own a rake.
In Marietta, it is illegal to spit from a car or a bus, but perfectly legal to spit from a truck.
Liberals still try to argue gun control is necessary. They are too blinded to see what really happens. If Chicago doesnt show the gun control idiots then nothing will :duh:
If they ever passed gun control laws, I would not be stupid enough to obey the law and leave myself unprotected. I will always own protection.
If they ever passed gun control laws, I would not be stupid enough to obey the law and leave myself unprotected. I will always own protection.
TWT racer
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Gun control, point , aim, squeeze
Amen !!
GNBRETT
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gun control for law abiding citizens is not the issue. its the straw sales and false reports of stolen or lost guns as well as homes being broken into and guns being stolen is why criminals have guns.
where do u think the criminal get their guns from? do u think they just walk into a gun store and buy them? they get them from people who can legally get them or have them.
13000 murders last year in our country. 8800 of those were committed with GUNS. we need more guns in this country.
where do u think the criminal get their guns from? do u think they just walk into a gun store and buy them? they get them from people who can legally get them or have them.
13000 murders last year in our country. 8800 of those were committed with GUNS. we need more guns in this country.
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"For us, when the weather's warm, the first thing we think, we're going to get some gunshots in here because we know people are out in the street," Dr. Larry Mitchell of Chicago's Roseland Community Hospital told NPR.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, well, I guess we have to outlaw the SUN! I can't believe anyone listens to these idiots. More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens equals less crime....along with no sun.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, well, I guess we have to outlaw the SUN!
I can't believe anyone listens to these idiots. More guns in the hands of law abiding citizens equals less crime....along with no sun.
Yes guns get stolen from people but the guns these criminals buy are usually black market or come from illegally smuggled stashes. 8800 guns did not get stolen from legal gun owners. I would say maybe 1% of them were stolen from legal owners, if that.
superchargedv8
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has anyone ever been to a flea market and seen guns for sale?? mostly rifles but i have back in the day....dunno if that still goes on.
superbeagle
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This is from the CDC:
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
Number of deaths for leading causes of death:
Heart disease: 599,413
Cancer: 567,628
Chronic lower respiratory diseases: 137,353
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases): 128,842
Accidents (unintentional injuries): 118,021
Alzheimer's disease: 79,003
Diabetes: 68,705
Influenza and Pneumonia: 53,692
Nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis: 48,935
Intentional self-harm (suicide): 36,909
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Gpmo
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BUSA CRUSEN said:"For us, when the weather's warm, the first thing we think, we're going to get some gunshots in here because we know people are out in the street," Dr. Larry Mitchell of Chicago's Roseland Community Hospital told NPR.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, well, I guess we have to outlaw the SUN!
There's actually a fair amount of research by sociologist and anthropologist that suggest humans are more violently active during hotter weather. I find it very interesting. Also it's logical. I know when it's 30 degrees out I am more likely to hang out inside during my evenings. But if it's nice I'm going to go out and have fun and enjoy nice weather.
As for Chicago gun laws. It's dumb. They have some serious gang issues there. Need To get out and put them down IMHO. But I believe they just had to cut their police force, add that to the difficulty in prosecuting criminals now. it causes a problem. Good luck to those officers who are trying.
Ludicrous Speed
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The warm weather thing is true, to an extent. We have had more fights and altercations at the prison in the last week than two months previous combined
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