Should guns be banned?

[GNBRETT]

yes, if he had not had access to a gun he probably would have just blown the school up. He was intent to kill as many people as he could apparently and when nut jobs like that get an idea in their head they will execute their plan. He apparently planned this so I'm certain that if guns weren't an option he would have found something else. Sadly, something else probably would have killed as many or more.

that's rediculous and your well aware of that.

anyone can pull a trigger. setting up a bomb takes special skills and knowledge of explosives.

and how many street or store robberies, car jackings, home invasions, rapes, drive-by's, etc.... take place with a BOMB? how many? ur argument holds no water whatsoever.

 

[Flicka]

A major part of the problem is that people are not properly securing their legally owned guns. We have a standing rule in our house that any weapon not locked in the safe is to be under the immediate control of me or my wife. That doesn't mean you leave it holstered on the coffee table and go to the bathroom, or that you lay it on the kitchen counter while you take the dog out. "Immediate control" means exactly what it says.

I'm not saying that securing personal weapons is the answer to people with a clean record who legally obtain guns before experiencing a mental break, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

Gun control starts here:

 

[GNBRETT]

A major part of the problem is that people are not properly securing their legally owned guns. We have a standing rule in our house that any weapon not locked in the safe is to be under the immediate control of me or my wife. That doesn't mean you leave it holstered on the coffee and go to the bathroom, or that you lay it on the kitchen counter while you take the dog out. "Immediate control" means exactly what it says.

I'm not saying that securing personal weapons is the answer to people with a clean record who legally obtain guns before experiencing a mental break, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

Gun control starts here:

there is no arguning that securing guns would help but how many ppl have $1500-2500 to spend on a top notch safe like that?

ppl want quick access to their guns and therefore chose to keep them in a location that they can access them quickly. but the problem is their child, family member, friend of family or burglar also has quick access to them so the reality is most even if that had to money to purchase such a safe would chose not to.







this nutjob could have never bought a gun legally but like

 

[mestona]

that's rediculous and your well aware of that.

anyone can pull a trigger. setting up a bomb takes special skills and knowledge of explosives.

and how many street or store robberies, car jackings, home invasions, rapes, drive-by's, etc.... take place with a BOMB? how many? ur argument holds no water whatsoever.

Rape with a bomb? Counter productive.

Car Jacking with a bomb? Can't drive that fly whip if its dun blowed up yo.

Home invasion with a bomb? Can't sell that bling if its dun blowed up yo.

:wtf:

Ban baseball bats, crow bars, knives, kitchen knives, steak knives, rocks, cars, oh and the internetz - cause I heard you can read how to make bombs on there.

 

[gueroaero]

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[sixpack577]

Yes idiots, lets take all the guns away from legal resposible citizens. The ones who use guns to hunt, recreationally target shoot, and worst case, need them for self and/or home defense.
Take them all away and gun crimes will disapear forever...
This line of thinking is exactly what's wrong with this country. Idiots in office, and idiots helping them get there.
The shooting in Connecticut is too horrible to even discuss, and my heart goes out to all the parents.
However, I don't think ANY gun law would have prevented it.
Anyone that diranged and who thought it through, could and would have easily gotten illegal gun(s).
Sad but true. Adding more pointless laws only makes it more difficult for those who already obey the laws and are no threat to others.

 

[gueroaero]

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[jphilipson]

How much you wanna bet when they search his house they find an Xbox and recent releases of the most popular shootem-up games.....or an extensive video collection...but no bible...

And, I hear there was a mom...how about a dad?

Seriously, no bible? So your saying only people that don't have bibles or aren't Christian commit acts like these? *Facepalm*

I don't have a bible, and I can assure you, the thought of shooting up a group of people never crossed my mind.

 

[Flicka]

there is no arguning that securing guns would help but how many ppl have $1500-2500 to spend on a top notch safe like that?

ppl want quick access to their guns and therefore chose to keep them in a location that they can access them quickly. but the problem is their child, family member, friend of family or burglar also has quick access to them so the reality is most even if that had to money to purchase such a safe would chose not to.







this nutjob could have never bought a gun legally but like

It's true that not everyone can afford a large safe. However, the fact is that if you can afford enough firepower to need a safe this size, then you can afford the security as well. There are many less expensive and smaller options that can secure enough weapons for personal protection. I don't see any reason why someone should have a weapon in their home with no way to secure it. There's just no excuse for that.

Your second point goes back to what I said about having immediate control of unsecured weapons. If someone came in my house right now, the Glock on the table beside me is enough to handle that threat. If I go down the hall or to the garage, the gun goes with me. That's just being responsible. I understand that some people like to have guns staged in different parts of the home, but I don't agree with that from a security perspective. I feel much safer by having only a single gun out of the safe (or two if you include my wife's) and keeping it with me. Maybe that sounds like a hassle, but it's not. It's just something that you make yourself do until it becomes habit. I know it's unusual, but it's safe, secure, and effective.

 

[jphilipson]

However, the fact is that if you can afford enough firepower to need a safe this size, then you can afford the security as well.

Bingo.

I wonder if the mother of the CT shooter had her guns secured as you do, how different thinks might have been.

 

[Postal]

Cap wanted a new thread, so I'm not skeered, lets hear it.

Most know my stance on this, gun control is not the solution...



Let the debate commence...

No!

P.

 

[Flicka]

Bingo.

I wonder if the mother of the CT shooter had her guns secured as you do, how different thinks might have been.

I've also been wondering about that. Of course, it's possible they were locked up and her son had the combination.

 

[1busa]

Constructing bombs out of urine?? Highly unlikely...??? Not everybody has the aptitude or skill set to be a Timothy McVeigh and last time I checked he didnt act alone remember the other guy? Terry Nichols? Oh yeah no mention of him in all those pointless arguments. That was an act of terrorism not a mass murder, 2 completely different subjects. As far as the guy in China stabbing 20 people, there was a guy in NY that flipped out with a knife on the subway and guess what somebody stepped in and handled his before he was able to attack multiple people. Despite what you see on TV and in the movies not everybody walks around with the capacity of Jason Bourne Not everybody is physically capable to run jump and fight multiple people and attack with a samurai sword...... Have you seen the size and stature of the CO, OR, and VT mass murderers? Looked like they never played a sport in their life let alone been in a fight so stop trying to make any and everybody out to be a lean mean sadistic killing machine. I tell you what they had the capacity to do, and that is pick up a gun and pull a trigger. Now that is easy to do Big gun with Alot of bullets.......... dont need Alot of trainig for it either. Load it up and point the barrell end into a crowd and squeeze! Bound to hit somebody sooner than later. Im all for guns and home protection but its no longer the quote unquote bad guys that you need to be worried about. Its your next door neighbor, his kid, your child, brother, best friend etc. You need to protect yourselves from yourselves Funny how I own a Pitbull and if I decide to move there are certain homes, neighborhoods, and even cities that im not allowed to live in because Pitbulls are a threat and danger to the public because of past instances. Even if im allowed to move there there are severe restrictions such as I must have a 6ft high fence and so far under the ground and the dog must be muzzled etc etc. but I can buy 20 assault rifles and have as many bullets as I want and have them sitting in a closet or under a bed and move where ever I want....... Just food for thought

 

[fallenarch]

So here's the elephant in the room: Why are these guys who do the mass murder thing usually white? There was the subway shootings and the DC sniper, but basically most of the crazy kill indescriminately sorts are conservative leaning, Christian, big-R, white people? Now we (black Americans) do our share of killing obviously (so we all have a share in the gun problem), but the crazed spray the room types are typically white people. And why aren't the police profiling them?

 

[fallenarch]

A major part of the problem is that people are not properly securing their legally owned guns. We have a standing rule in our house that any weapon not locked in the safe is to be under the immediate control of me or my wife. That doesn't mean you leave it holstered on the coffee table and go to the bathroom, or that you lay it on the kitchen counter while you take the dog out. "Immediate control" means exactly what it says.

I'm not saying that securing personal weapons is the answer to people with a clean record who legally obtain guns before experiencing a mental break, but it's certainly a step in the right direction.

Gun control starts here:

Is that ammo stacked on the safe? Wouldn't that cook off in a fire?

 

[Flicka]

Is that ammo stacked on the safe? Wouldn't that cook off in a fire?

Yes, it is. And yes, it could cook off in a fire, but it's not like in the movies where bare ammunition shoots at people from a fire. It needs to be in the barrel of a gun to acheive velocity instead of just going "pop." In some cases, a loaded and chambered gun in a fire could be a problem, but not so much if you just have ammo alone.

 

[GsxrBots]

So here's the elephant in the room: Why are these guys who do the mass murder thing usually white? There was the subway shootings and the DC sniper, but basically most of the crazy kill indescriminately sorts are conservative leaning, Christian, big-R, white people? Now we (black Americans) do our share of killing obviously (so we all have a share in the gun problem), but the crazed spray the room types are typically white people. And why aren't the police profiling them?

Not trying to be "that guy" but if the roles were reversed, "we" wouldn't be allowed to say that statement...

 

[GsxrBots]

One answer is, give every legal person a weapon and "open carry" for all.

From what I understand, the guy in CT used a tactical vest, and I'd bet his pistols were being carried "openly" what does this solve?

 

[GsxrBots]

there is no arguning that securing guns would help but how many ppl have $1500-2500 to spend on a top notch safe like that?

ppl want quick access to their guns and therefore chose to keep them in a location that they can access them quickly. but the problem is their child, family member, friend of family or burglar also has quick access to them so the reality is most even if that had to money to purchase such a safe would chose not to.







this nutjob could have never bought a gun legally but like

I have fingerprint safes that take appx 1 second to open if needed, and you can buy safes for far less than the firearms in them cost.

It has more to do with intelligence than it does money.

 

[GNBRETT]

So here's the elephant in the room: Why are these guys who do the mass murder thing usually white? There was the subway shootings and the DC sniper, but basically most of the crazy kill indescriminately sorts are conservative leaning, Christian, big-R, white people? Now we (black Americans) do our share of killing obviously (so we all have a share in the gun problem), but the crazed spray the room types are typically white people. And why aren't the police profiling them?

the police arent profiling them cause the majority of violent crimes that take place are not mass murders like this one. most murders, robberies, car-jackings, drive-by shootings, etc.... taking place by black people. those are facts not opinions.

so we can establish that both black and white people kill people with guns for the most part.

and when you say "indescriminately" what exactly does that mean? do the majority of black people that commit murder know the person they are killing when they rob someone on the street or rob a convient store or car-jack someone and shoot them in the face? no they dont.

50% of murder victims are black people. blacks make up roughly 13% of the population. but 93% of those murdered are murdered by black people. but 85% of white people are killed by white people so I guess people like killing people who look like they do.???

70% of all murders are committed by guns.

92% of all suicide attempts with guns are fatal.

its obvious more guns in our country will solve our gun problem....