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[Tree]

Dave,

I put Engine Ice in about 2000 miles ago. One thing I've noticed is it seems to reach running temperature quicker. The fan also seems to come on sooner than before. My comparisome is when riding with a friend in traffic (he has standard coolant in his bike), my fan comes on before his. On the positive side, my engine seems to cool down all most instantly. Is this correct? The reason I'm asking is I am going to the AMA Superbike at Mid-Ohio this year and bike week in Daytona next spring. I don't want to be overheating or other related problems, several hours away from home.

Thank you,

Steve

 

[rubbersidedown]

Dave,

I put Engine Ice in about 2000 miles ago.  One thing I've noticed is it seems to reach running temperature quicker.  The fan also seems to come on sooner than before.  My comparisome is when riding with a friend in traffic (he has standard coolant in his bike), my fan comes on before his.  On the positive side, my engine seems to cool down all most instantly.  Is this correct?  The reason I'm asking is I am going to the AMA Superbike at Mid-Ohio this year and bike week in Daytona next spring.  I don't want to be overheating or other related problems, several hours away from home.

Thank you,

Steve

who knows about this product ? does dave even ride a Busa? will he get to yer question soon,or will it be 3 weeks from now?
dont mean to knock the guy or the product, well , maybe I do .

I come from a broken home

Who put the crap(I mean the really great product) in ?
Have you got a whole bunch of air in the system,instead of product/water?
Were the manufactures instructions followed? Maybe it's different than the standard 50/50 mix common to the industry.Also, did you use distilled water,it's not gonna help cool it any better,but down the road,you'll have way less CRUD in yer cooling system...(besides the Engine Ice I mean).
Start yer bike when cold....remove cap...squeeze a hose a bunch of times...did coolant level fall?....bunch of air bubbles?...AIR IN THE SYSTEM .
Something thats supposed to run cooler , should mean , for me anyways , that it runs cooler . Unless "ICE" has a rapid boiling point, then magically goes into super ice mode .And get the motor cool after that . Whats yer climate ? My fan functions (been tested) but rarely comes on .
Who knows...maybe "Engine Ice Selling Dave" does .

 

[EngIceDave]

I see that "rubbersidedown" is a happy guy.

Sorry it took me a couple days to find your post.

One thing we've found is that you really cannot compare two bikes side by side.

We did some tests with identical bikes, side by side, right out of the showroom and got different results everytime.

Not sure how much of a difference you're talking about in regards to:
One thing I've noticed is it seems to reach running temperature quicker. The fan also seems to come on sooner than before.[/QUOTE]

I'm sure you went through all the steps of bleeding the air from the system, correct?

You didn't add anything or mix anything with the Engine Ice, did you?

Did you flush the system out before filling with the Engine Ice?

The fast cool down is normal. You may also notice that the temperatures on the track is a lot more stable, less fluctuation from high-speed and slower speed sections.

Please feel free to call me if you'd like if none of this seems to answer your questions or help you. There's also other questions I'd like to ask you to help you further.

Thanks for considering our product.

 

[Tree]

Dave,

I did everything by the book. I even ran some de-ionized water through the open pipes after the flush. Should not be any air in the system. If there is how do I get it out? If there were air in the system shouldn't it have overheated by now? This bike will never see the track except maybe the 1/4 mile. If I wanted to carve the corners I'd have kept my 929. It also doesn't seem to be running any cooler on the idiot guage. (I know stock guages are just about worthless.)

Thanks,

Steve

 

[ks-waterbug]

To remove the air from the system simply sit on the bike and gently rock it side to side. Sometimes this involves warming the bike up to operating tempature and letting it cool back down. You have to check the fluid level everytime! So don't open the radiator when its hot!!!!!!!

Dave, I'm also running Engine Ice and I must say I'm very impressed. The fan hardly ever comes on anymore and my temp gauge stays just below the half-way mark.............I recommend your product to everyone I meet on a bike. Thanks Ks.........................

 

[Tree]

How far over to you have to rock the bike? Once you do this, is the air purged or just at the top of the radiator? I shouldn't have to add more coolant should I? Shouldn't it just pull what it needs from the overflow?

Thanks,

Steve

 

[ks-waterbug]

Just rock it side to side, doesn't have to go real far. Yes, add more coolant if it is required...............

 

[Tree]

OK, I did the tilt thing, again, a couple of times to be sure. Coolant level is fine. I'll find out if this is going to be a bad thing in a couple of days. I'm leaving for FL on Sunday. I guess I'll find out one way or another.

Later,

Steve

 

[rubbersidedown]

I see that "rubbersidedown" is a happy guy.

Actually, I am a happy guy . I like the people on this site . I like to help look out for them . Most of us seem too like helping each other too. Yer a fuggin' salesman with some crap to sell . Whatever . One of the boys was worried about his ride after puttin' yer crap in ." Sorry" , you said, took you a couple of days ( 4 or 5 actually ) to see his thread . So...for 4 or 5 days he's wondering about his cooling system . He didnt have a prob before...but now he does an' he has to hope some jergoff salesman over the net can help him with his problem.
Maybe I stand alone here . No problem . I think anybody who has gotta try an flog his product on web sites , better find a real job .
If being skeptical , an' askin' questions , an' lookin' out for my brothers an' sisters , leads you to a comment like...
"I see Rubbersidedown is a happy guy" ...
I say you can go an' fug yerself . It just might be my personal feeling , but I think a site like this could function just fine without yer kind of sponsorship . Yer in it for the dollar .
Were here 'cause we love the busa...an' the people that ride her . Not 'cause it's somewhere to make money .
No one knows what yer product is gonna do to a motor 5 years from now . No one knows much about yer product. I asked some questions before...I got yer salesman double talk. Check this site...you told me....Yer tech was pretty much crap .
Yer supposed to be friends with the Cap'n , thats great . Maybe he like's you . I think yer a jerk .

I've stood alone before . I'll stand alone again . Yer answer to one of my questions did it for me .
We cant tell you who's using "Engine Lice" (meaning the pro's) because they might be getting sponsorship from someone else . ya . Like who ? I see sponsors names plastered all over the side of vehicle's in NASCAR , Form 1,etc,etc. BUT... everyone who's usin' "Engine Dice" wants to keep it a secret . OK Whatever you say .
Yer product might be ok.....problem is.....YER NOT.

drop by some time.....
We'll have tea .

 

[EngIceDave]

Mr. Rubber,

I apologize if you can't see a joke when it's written...from now on, I'll clearly mark any jokes with; *JOKE* just so you know it's a joke.
*JOKE* I see that "rubbersidedown" is a happy guy.[/QUOTE] *JOKE*


Please note that I did ask Tree to call me if he had any additional questions or if he wanted any additional help.

Being a skeptic is normal and I'm used to it. If you think I'm in this to get rich, you're nuts. You obviously don't know much about the motorcycle business...We put just about everything we make back into the motorcycle industry in sponsoring races, events, fund raisers, riders, teams and websites like this one.

I have no idea how much you think we're making...but you probably have about 5 or 6 zeros too many.

I am a rider just like you. I may not own a "busa, but I think they're cool...it's a bad ass bike.

Now, in regards to my comment about riders that use our product, but we can't tell you....lemme give you some idea as to why...

Maxima, Spectro, Motorex, Pro Honda and others all make thier own antifreeze/coolant products...they sponsor riders and why would they want their competitors product promoted or advertised on "their" sponsored rider. The rider may have chosen to use Engine Ice, but because of their oil/lube contract, we cannot have an "official" deal with them.

Want proof?
Go find any racer with a sponsorship deal with Maxima or Motorex, it specifically states in the rider contract that the sponsored rider is "FORBIDDEN" to use Engine Ice...my product is mentioned specifically. A couple others like WD-40 and No-Toil (air filter stuff) is also listed.

So if a rider wants to use it, I still may give it to them, but they aren't an "officially" sponsored rider and by mentioning them by name I can get them in a lot of trouble.

This actually happened a few months back when a motocross racer named Davi Millsaps made the cover of Racer X magazine...he's been using Engine Ice for a few years, but American Suzuki (his main sponsor) has a team deal with Maxima...but Davi still ran Engine Ice and had a decal on his chest protector. Well, when he made the cover of that magazine with an Engine Ice decal in the center of his chest...the poop really hit the fan and it went as high as the head guy of American Suzuki's Racing Program.

I hope that gives you an understanding of why there are some riders I can't tell you about.

I'm not here to rip off your friends. I'm just a fellow motorcyclist like yourself who got lucky developing a product.

Back to the original topic....

Mr. Tree,

My invitation to you (or anyone) is still open to call me directly if you have any questions or need help in any way....even you may call me Mr. Rubber if you'd like to discuss this further.

 

[Revlis]

Dave,

I am not running engine ice yet but I wanted to say thanks for helping Captain out with his website. Nice work.

Thanks.

 

[Tree]

I think I figured out my coolant issue. I have the front end lowered 1.25" ( let the fork tubes slide up into my Genmar risers). This causes a reduced air flow. While riding this weekend I noticed at over 85 the engine temp seemed to be lower. The recuced air flow over the radiator may have caused premature heating.

Later,

Steve

 

[EngIceDave]

Glad to hear it Mr. Tree

Have a great day,

Dave

 

[Darkeyce]

Dave,
I have Ei inthe colling system now, seems to be doing fine after some early temp fluctuations...

My questions; can i reuse the coolant, i mean if i drain the system do I have to go with new coolant? What is the lifespan of EI? change it once a season or after a fixed set of miles?

[Joke]
and if you calll me Mr. Dark I'm gonna punch ya!
[/joke]

 

[rubbersidedown]

I think I figured out my coolant issue.  I have the front end lowered 1.25" ( let the fork tubes slide up into my Genmar risers).  This causes a reduced air flow.  While riding this weekend I noticed at over 85 the engine temp seemed to be lower.  The recuced air flow over the radiator may have caused premature heating.

Later,

Steve

an inch an' a quarter you say.....A WHOLE INCH AND A QUARTER . The reduced air flow may have......yadda yadda

I'd be "tempted" to look elsewhere . Just me thou .

 

[rubbersidedown]

[Joke]
and if you calll me Mr. Dark I'm gonna punch ya!
[/joke]

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[EngIceDave]

Dave,
I have Ei inthe colling system now, seems to be doing fine after some early temp fluctuations...

My questions; can i reuse the coolant, i mean if i drain the system do I have to go with new coolant? What is the lifespan of EI? change it once a season or after a fixed set of miles?

[Joke]
and if you calll me Mr. Dark I'm gonna punch ya!
[/joke]

You can drain and re-use if you wish.

Just always keep this in mind, fresher coolant will always outperform an older coolant.

We'd prefer you change once per year. For best results with ANY coolant, twice a year is best.

 

[Tree]

RSD,

1.25" might not seem like much but when you put mine next to another 'Busa, you would not believe the difference. It cuts the area between the upper fairning and the front fender in half, maybee by 2/3. I had to drill a new hole in my adjustable kickstand to accomodate how low my bike is. I don't think it is that low but I do have to be carefull. I have gotten used to this and have learned how to notice places where I should beware. I may try to solve the coolant problem this winter by going to straight NPG+. Time will tell.

Later,

Steve

 

[rubbersidedown]

just keep her gunned all the time Steve , that will raise yer front end to a stock position when riding , an' help keep 'er cool .

Hav a good evening man .