ObamaCare for Dummies

gurrera

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Here is the 2700 page ObamaCare condensed to 5
> sentences.....
> 1. In order to insure the uninsured, we first have to
> un-insure the insured.
> 2. Next, we require the newly un-insured to be
> re-insured.
> 3. To re-insure the newly un-insured, they are required
> to pay extra charges to be re-insured.
> 4. The extra charges are required so that the original
> insured, who became un-insured, and then became re-insured,
> can pay enough extra so that the original uninsured can be insured,
> free of charge to them.
5. Then, if the insured actually need medical attention, a government group will determine if you deserve it or not.:rulez: :banghead:


Gurrera
 
Hey, gurrera, I don't know where you are getting this stuff, but you've done it again! :thumbsup:

Keep'em coming. Always puts a smile on my face. :beerchug:
 
The AHA continues to be troubled. Who would have thought :laugh:

The young healthy Americans that work were suppose to sign up and pay for others and that didn't exactly happen.

Those with health issues signed up for the silver plan vs. the cheaper bronze plan and it's loaded with government subsidies; that's exactly why they did it. So those that are sick are getting much larger pay outs from the system than was predicted.

It's going broke fast, but it doesn't matter to the tax and spend group in Washington.

I have Health Insurance and always have had. What AHA did for me was reduced things covered, and increased my premiums and co pays by about 25%, and I'm lucky.
 
The AHA continues to be troubled. Who would have thought :laugh:

The young healthy Americans that work were suppose to sign up and pay for others and that didn't exactly happen.

Those with health issues signed up for the silver plan vs. the cheaper bronze plan and it's loaded with government subsidies; that's exactly why they did it. So those that are sick are getting much larger pay outs from the system than was predicted.

It's going broke fast, but it doesn't matter to the tax and spend group in Washington.

I have Health Insurance and always have had. What AHA did for me was reduced things covered, and increased my premiums and co pays by about 25%, and I'm lucky.

It's not going broke. It has the full faith and credit of the US government behind it. Translation: We will be bailing out the insurance companies at the end of the first year. Except we won't call it a bailout. It's part of the law. It's gonna happen.
 
The AHA continues to be troubled. Who would have thought :laugh:

The young healthy Americans that work were suppose to sign up and pay for others and that didn't exactly happen.

Those with health issues signed up for the silver plan vs. the cheaper bronze plan and it's loaded with government subsidies; that's exactly why they did it. So those that are sick are getting much larger pay outs from the system than was predicted.

It's going broke fast, but it doesn't matter to the tax and spend group in Washington.

I have Health Insurance and always have had. What AHA did for me was reduced things covered, and increased my premiums and co pays by about 25%, and I'm lucky.

It's not going broke. It has the full faith and credit of the US government behind it. Translation: We will be bailing out the insurance companies at the end of the first year. Except we won't call it a bailout. It's part of the law. It's gonna happen.

Exactly and these, I almost cursed, never back off a program.
 
Conservative

A person who believes that nothing should be done for the first time!
A statesman fond of existing evils.

The radical of one century is the conservative of the next. The radical invents the views. When he has worn them out the conservative adopts them.
— Mark Twain


REPUBLICAN PARTY – The second of two gangs of white-collar criminals who have hijacked the nation’s political system and prevent third parties from gaining a competitive foothold. Republicans react to all criticism by accusing their critics of being unpatriotic and ungodly.

If i was a conservative i would know everything too.

:p
 
While the below probably fills it out better, I can sum it all up...Liberals like to have all these grand ideas paid for by someone else's labors....


Liberal:

A liberal is someone who supports liberalism, which is a political philosophy on the left of the political spectrum. Liberals favor an increase in government spending, power, and control, as in ObamaCare. Most liberals also support the censorship and denial of Christianity because of its strong moral values[1]. Liberals who are a part of the secular left prefer atheism over the Christian faith, as atheism has no objective morality to hinder its big government plans. This lack of an objective morality, or moral relativism, was used as one of the main justifications by the Nazis and the Communists for their crimes against humanity. Increasingly, liberals side with the homosexual agenda, including supporting homosexual "marriage". Many liberals favor a welfare state where people receive endless entitlements without working. Liberals are often anti-Christian, or otherwise disagree with moral or social principles held by many American Christians. The liberal ideology has worsened over the years and degenerated into economically unsound views and intolerant ideology. Some liberals simply support, in knee-jerk fashion, the opposite of conservative principles, while lacking an actual ideology or values of their own.

Polling data has consistently shown that a increasingly large percentage of Americans identify as conservative, rather than as liberal, currently by 38% to 21%.[2]

A liberal supports many of the following political positions and practices:
## Spending money on government programs (the significant economic problems in the Eurozone due to government debt will no doubt increasingly discredit this aspect of liberal ideology and make things more difficult for advocates of liberal economic ideologies)
## Government's ability to solve economic problems[3]
## The belief that terrorism is not a huge threat, and that the main reason for Muslim extremists' hostility towards America is because of bad foreign policy [4]
## Brainwashing voters with propaganda
## Taxpayer-funded and/or legalized abortion
## Censorship[5]
## Cessation of teacher-led prayer in classrooms and school/state-sponsored religious events.
## Gun control
## Anti-Americanism
## Affirmative action[6]
## Opposition to government regulation or restriction of obscenity, pornography and violence in video games as a First Amendment right[7]
## Government-funded medical care, such as Obamacare
## Belief in evolution
## Destroying the Christian foundations on which America was built on.
## Taxpayer-funded and government-controlled public education
## Placement of men and women in the same jobs in the military
## Slowly eroding the U.S. through Progressivism.[8]
## Legalized same-sex marriage and homosexual adoption
## Tax and spend economics
## Economic sector regulations[9]
## Spreading of political correctness
## Destroying liberty
## Ending Western morality
## Non-syndicalist labor unions
## Encouraging promiscuity through sexual education (the teaching of safe sex) rather than teaching abstinence from premarital sex[10]
## A "living Constitution" that is reinterpreted as liberals prefer, rather than how it is thought to have been intended.
## Government programs to rehabilitate criminals
## Abolition of the death penalty
## Environmentalism[11]
## Globalism
## Constitutionally mandated separation of church and state.
## Opposition to full private property rights.[12]
## Reinstatement of the Fairness Doctrine
## Opposition to domestic wire-tapping as authorized in the Patriot Act
## Regulation of business rather than a laissez-faire capitalist economy
## Opposition to the Constitution. Liberals seek to expand federal power at the expense of local government and silence the conservatives who hold them back, violating the 10th and 1st Amendments respectively.
## Denial of traditional gender roles
## Support of financially irresponsible policies
## Advocating policies which are proven to be incorrect
## Encouragement of global warming alarmism
## Persecution of Christianity with deference to other religions, such as Islam.

Liberals currently use two Clauses of the Constitution to try to expand their power: the Commerce Clause and the General Welfare Clause. The General Welfare Clause mentions "promoting the general welfare". This to a liberal means taxing the rich at increased rates and redistributing that money. The Commerce Clause, on the other hand, says that Congress has the power to regulate trade with foreign nations, between the states and with the Indian tribes. Since the days of FDR this Clause has been interpreted very loosely and has resulted in the federal government expanding its power. The latest example is The Affordable Care Act (ACA), better know as Obamacare. In the ACA, the liberals justify the individual mandate by saying it regulates commerce between the states.

The decline in liberal principles can be illustrated by how Franklin Delano Roosevelt opposed and condemned public sector unions, stating that the idea of collective bargaining can't be transferred from the private to the public sector, as that would result in the government being unable to carry out its duties. Yet today, decades later, Democrats and liberals are in lock-step with public sector unions, as they "donate" money to the reelection campaign in exchange for more taxpayer money in their wallets and fluffed up pensions.

Current dictionaries describe the liberal ideology by pretending that a liberal is "a person who favors a political philosophy of progress and reform and the protection of civil liberties" or "a person who favors an economic theory of laissez-faire and self-regulating markets,"[13] or "open-minded or tolerant, especially free of or not bound by traditional or conventional ideas, values, etc." or "favorable to or in accord with concepts of maximum individual freedom possible, especially as guaranteed by law and secured by governmental protection of civil liberties."[14] In practical usage, the term "liberal" is more closely synonymous with "radical," "immoral," "anti-freedom," or "bad."
 
So your sole argument for Obamacare is now: Well, we had to try something! (with other peoples money) ?
 
So your sole argument for Obamacare is now: Well, we had to try something! (with other peoples money) ?


Yes we had to do something different with our health care system absolutely. Do i agree with the way it was done hell no. But there wasn't a single fat ass republican sitting on his epic high horse willing to do a damn thing. Its pathetic and shameful that we live in a society as great as America and we treat our sick and invalid the way we do. We have wealth we have innovation and we have the brains to build something better. But NOOOOOOO the republican and democratic party is to happy sitting about getting rich and polluting our society with this BS to do anything about it. You should be ashamed i know i sure as hell was thus i left the republican party. Independent free thinker thank you very much. Free unregulated economics DOES NOT work. we have been shown that it does not.. May i point you to the last 10 years and a wonderful break down in our banking industry?

The fact is people are so damned caught up in "IM a LIBERAL' "I'M a Conservative" " I know more than you" " No I know more than you" "I love this country more than you": BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH like little damned children... in the mean time the established political parties are raking in the money and the power. cause we are to petty to do anything about it.

Also i can find a webpage full of facts that shows the all the dumb crap you posted above are false. Its easy.


You have a solution?? I'd love to hear it. I sure know there wasn't a single one from the repubs.... OH WAIT there was it was called ROmney care the great hero of last election cycle... Odd the Affordable care act was based on what... Oh ya Romney care. Good luck getting any real change done though cause rich powerful politicians hate it when you mess with their pocket books.


I have had a bit of coffee and its late so pardon the errors... Or wait maybe that was my public school education. And i freely admit that i am as guilty as anyone when it comes to not having a solution, but what we had sure wasn't right and i'm not sure what we have now is either, but its something.

Too bad we have to see these threads come up constantly.. sure was funny...
 
This is my opinion and its worth what you paid for it. I probably will not be back to check in on replies to this thread anyway.

Bottom line for me is, I work, I work hard. I pay MY bills, and do not want to pay for other people's. I do not care what happens to people who cannot afford healthcare for themselves or their children. Capitalism. You want money? Earn it. You want to run a small business? Build it. If you can not run it well enough to afford family health care, guess what, you don't have the right to my money to keep doing what you "love." I don't love my job, I don't even like it, but it's what a man does. I don't donate to charities for children in other countries because who is gonna feed my kid for 70 cents a day? I know I pay a lot more than that for his health care and food. And it's even more now for less care than it was a year ago. Because I'm paying for the people who shoulda wore a condom, and if they don't have kids, maybe their parents shoulda wore the rubber.

Bottom line for me, if you don't have health care, it's your own damn fault. If you don't provide it for your children, it's your own damn fault. Deal with the consequences of your choices and don't have the government or hospitals pay for it, because its raising my prices.

All this crap to me is like some degenerate walking into my home and taking the food out of my kids mouth because he doesn't wanna work for it. How many of you regardless of political view would let your kids go without for another? And if ya would, maybe you can afford it and probably had health care already any****ingway.

Good day, and now I can get back to Busa stuff.
 
Ah, the AWM conservative defining what a liberal is so they can increase their hatred based on an invented straw man. I'm a liberal. Our founders separated church and state to protect religion, not stop it. They knew that if you allow there to be a national religion, that religion would become Nazis forcing everyone to be like them. Sort of like the Christian right are doing these days. Also they believed that government was responsible for the general welfare of the people, they actually said that in the constitution. You see the money people put into government was to be used to accomplish things that no individual could do alone. And Jesus, yes that Jesus, was a socialist. That's how he lived, that's what he preached.

Very predictable Skydivr, also devoid of any perspective supported in reality. You conservatives get your panties all in a bunch over a few billion in welfare handouts while corporations are reaching into America's pockets and looting us to the tune of trillions. That makes you either very lacking in grey matter or a part of the corporate looters.
 
"a few billion"?? Time to go back to math class...

But you are right about lacking grey matter, cause if I were smarter, I'd be sitting on my dead azz taking all this free crap, smoking pot and voting for Obama for more free crap, but I'm just stupid enough to think I should have to work for my stuff...The government (both Democrat AND RINO Republican) have waaaay overstepped what our founding fathers wanted our Federal Government to do. I don't know if there is a way out of it, but if this continues it will eventually fail under it's own inefficient burden.

We go back to the OP. You can try as you might to obfuscate, attack and insult, but you CANNOT get away from the undeniable fact that Obamacare is, was, and always will be an abject failure (I think it was meant to in the first place to force single payer) and we STILL haven't seen the effects of the worse parts yet. Jeez, if this were the Republicans pulling these stunts, there'd be rioting in the streets...

It really amazes me the extent that Liberals will continue to deny the failure(s) of this administration - Bagdad Bob should have taken lessons from the Democrat Party....or, maybe he did until the SF guys knocked on his door....

I re-emphasize my sig line: "The real problem this country faces is not that we have the king of fools as President, it's that we have so many fools who made him their king..."
 
"a few billion"?? Time to go back to math class...

But you are right about lacking grey matter, cause if I were smarter, I'd be sitting on my dead azz taking all this free crap, smoking pot and voting for Obama for more free crap, but I'm just stupid enough to think I should have to work for my stuff...The government (both Democrat AND RINO Republican) have waaaay overstepped what our founding fathers wanted our Federal Government to do. I don't know if there is a way out of it, but if this continues it will eventually fail under it's own inefficient burden.

We go back to the OP. You can try as you might to obfuscate, attack and insult, but you CANNOT get away from the undeniable fact that Obamacare is, was, and always will be an abject failure (I think it was meant to in the first place to force single payer) and we STILL haven't seen the effects of the worse parts yet. Jeez, if this were the Republicans pulling these stunts, there'd be rioting in the streets...

It really amazes me the extent that Liberals will continue to deny the failure(s) of this administration - Bagdad Bob should have taken lessons from the Democrat Party....or, maybe he did until the SF guys knocked on his door....

I re-emphasize my sig line: "The real problem this country faces is not that we have the king of fools as President, it's that we have so many fools who made him their king..."


Why do "conservatives" think they are the only ones who work? I haven't figured this crap out. My folks are Libs.. they are some of the most hardworking folks i know. Some of my friends are libs they to are hard workers. I'm not a democrat but i work, Put my 50+ a week in then try and make my community a better place by volunteer and keeping my house nice for my neighborhood. Conservatives/republicans are not the only one who work... they are not the only ones who pay taxes and hey are not the only ones with morals. And the for sure aren't the only ones who smoke pot.. thats silly and we have been over it.

Thanks for the fool crap. Its very enlightening.

I love that christians think they are persecuted in this country.... LOL what a joke.
 
Serious question here. I've actually read the post. Who in this country needed the ACA ? Who are these people that didn't have or couldn't afford healthcare and needed it ?
 
This is my opinion and its worth what you paid for it. I probably will not be back to check in on replies to this thread anyway.

Bottom line for me is, I work, I work hard. I pay MY bills, and do not want to pay for other people's. I do not care what happens to people who cannot afford healthcare for themselves or their children. Capitalism. You want money? Earn it. You want to run a small business? Build it. If you can not run it well enough to afford family health care, guess what, you don't have the right to my money to keep doing what you "love." I don't love my job, I don't even like it, but it's what a man does. I don't donate to charities for children in other countries because who is gonna feed my kid for 70 cents a day? I know I pay a lot more than that for his health care and food. And it's even more now for less care than it was a year ago. Because I'm paying for the people who shoulda wore a condom, and if they don't have kids, maybe their parents shoulda wore the rubber.

Bottom line for me, if you don't have health care, it's your own damn fault. If you don't provide it for your children, it's your own damn fault. Deal with the consequences of your choices and don't have the government or hospitals pay for it, because its raising my prices.

All this crap to me is like some degenerate walking into my home and taking the food out of my kids mouth because he doesn't wanna work for it. How many of you regardless of political view would let your kids go without for another? And if ya would, maybe you can afford it and probably had health care already any****ingway.

Good day, and now I can get back to Busa stuff.


Ignorance at its best! Bravo
 
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