Obama finally did it!
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Last night President Obama finally put his executive power to good use by importing a whole new class of people that will do what Americans recently decided they would not do!
Clean hotel rooms, work in meat packing, landscaping and pick fruits and vegetables!
LOL
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ken
Republicans want cheap labor and democrats want cheap votes.
Anyone who denies that needs to take the bag off their head.
Anyone who denies that needs to take the bag off their head.
With an unemployment rate of around 7 percent (not including illegals) I'd say there's plenty of labor here already. And yes, I won't be happy with my Republicans until we CLOSE THE FREAKING BORDER. You don't fix a leaking toilet until you TURN THE WATER OFF. All I want is the Border closed, and then we can talk about whatever LEGAL immigration plan we want to...
Tuff you do know these people are already here , have jobs, and many have children who are citizens right? Also I.G. have you ever crossed the Canadian border? no fences or anything just walk across.
rockethead
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the reason their kids are citizens is because they were born here. which is ridiculous. hop the border and drop a kid and all of a sudden they are US citizen. while other foreigners gain citizenship the legal and expensive way, these illegals scheme their way on US soil, get free health care, child care, housing and food assistance. ridiculous. 7% unemployment, yeah right, lets do a poll on how many gave up looking for employment in their chosen field and bowed their head and accepted gov. assistance. broken system no matter what political side we are on.
Arch, you do realize that unemployment among young blacks is over 20% and the jobs that these illegals take are for the most part the low wage starter jobs. Your best president EVER has just kicked you in the teeth by turning his back on the young black citizens along with every unskilled citizen in this country by his actions.
No fence on the Canadian Border? Do you suppose that could be due to this country not being flooded with poor Canadians that don't speak English?
kountrywill
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Tufbusa and rockethead what did you have to do to become a citizen here? Absolutely nothing but be born here just like the people you guys are running into the ground.
Kountrywill,
The point they are making is that those ppl come to our country and have a kid. That kid is a citizen because they were born here, but the difference is the parents probably did it on purpose. The term used for those children is "Anchor Children". Those folks know that our gov't is not going to break up a family to send the parents and siblings who may be illegal back to their country because that would leave an orphan. All the while the entire family get all the benefits of a family of citizens that need the same help, but they don't deserve the aid.
The point they are making is that those ppl come to our country and have a kid. That kid is a citizen because they were born here, but the difference is the parents probably did it on purpose. The term used for those children is "Anchor Children". Those folks know that our gov't is not going to break up a family to send the parents and siblings who may be illegal back to their country because that would leave an orphan. All the while the entire family get all the benefits of a family of citizens that need the same help, but they don't deserve the aid.
IG.
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Let's see... I had to escape from the communist regime of the former Soviet Union, being accused by authorities a traitor of their beloved country, standing in a meeting at work where everyone was participating in communist speeches against me, had to leave my parents behind otherwise the prison guards wouldn't allow anyone to leave, carry only a couple of suitcases with me and nothing else, sleep on the floor of the airport of some transit European country along with my wife, 3-year-old daughter and my brother, live in Italy in some old apartment - cold, often hungry and with very little money, confronted by local Arabs who pulled a knife on me and my brother because they wanted to use the phone booth we were occupying, hitchhiking along Italian country roads to find a place to live - without speaking a single word of Italian, living on a cold villa, showering with cold water, apply for a refugee status with the US embassy, waiting for days, weeks, and months, finally getting permission to come to US, getting on a train in the middle of the night to be moved to Vienna, leaving the train in the middle of the field in 1 min, surrounded by armed guards with machine guns out for the fear of terrorism, boarding buses and quickly leaving, arriving in a cold hotel, kids getting sick, finally arriving in US, getting an alien papers, looking for a place to live, struggling to understand the language, looking for a job, applying for green card, and after long 5 years - proudly becoming a citizen of this great country, and finally being able to breath.
In retrospect, this was nothing compared to how much more time and hardship other people went through in order to get here legally.
I think there is quite a difference between being born to parents who are here legally/citizens vs. being born to parent(s) who came here illegally. Just shows that the US is very humane country. I've heard no other country gives a newborn a citizenship.
rockethead
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There was a time when the Irish were hated here and many of them came into this country illegally. There was also a time when Italians were hated and many came to this country illegally. If we are going to send back all the illegal Mexicans, then we should trace back the immigration of Irish and Italians and deport everyone who is the offspring of illegal immigrants. Why just focus on Mexicans?
BTW: why would a terrorist try to come in from the Mexican border when they can come in from Canada without any questions?
BTW: why would a terrorist try to come in from the Mexican border when they can come in from Canada without any questions?
ZRXMAX
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A great story to portray the human spirit to survive... and now, Excel ! I mean, you now ride a Busa and its not your daily driver, right ?
On the other side of the coin... you were drawn to this country from what you understood about it.
You got here just in time to watch the mayhem and corruption that seems to escalate with each administration.
We now have record number of Americans giving up their citizenship ( or gaining dual citizenship ) because this country is undergoing
fundamental changes that deviate from the documents our country was founded on. To gain a bit of clarity about the change taking place
I like to recommend JFKs Secret Society speech from 1961. This was about the time Kruschev went on the record as saying "we will crush you".
The crush part in my opinion reffered to socialism... and ideology that can destroy a country in a few generations if not sooner.
Just consider Russia's experiment with socialism / communism in the last 4 decades.
The intro from the link at the bottom.
JFK Secret Societies Speech is Actually about the Threat of Communism and Censorship versus a Free Society and Responsible Press
Posted by SpookyOne
JFK was actually talking about current events of the cold war and how nontraditional enemies were gaining information on how the US was battling this war. In this speech JFK actually points out "the need for far greater "official" secrecy"...as well as "the need for a far greater public information". -- JFK admits "I have no easy answer to the dilemma that I have posed," but also states, "and would not seek to impose it if I had one." This a major difference from where todays elected officials stand.
19 minute speech is here... or... go to you tube and get the 5 minute version.
Debunking the Debunkers: JFK Secret Societies Speech is Actually about the Threat of Communism and Censorship versus a Free Society and Responsible Press
ZRXMAX
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The difference with the Mexicans ( their really indians ) is they don't care much about assimilating into American culture as a rule. Yes, some embrace it, however... many would rather put May 5th ( Cinco De Mayo ? )
as the biggest event of the year. I think it signifies a battle won somewhere back in the history of Mexico that escapes me at the moment.
Here in socal we have plenty of Mexicans that believe this land should still be Mexico. So, some of them are doing their best to turn it into Mexico regardless of where the border is.
IG.
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You have no idea! Sometimes, I want to scream how obvious this is to me. All those who entertain socialistic ideas have to be sent to one of those countries and live there for a while as natives (not as tourists), work, live, talk to locals, feel their pain, and experience the challenges of their daily lives. It's not that lives shouldn't have challenges. It's the magnitude of absurdity which causes those challenges, and the fundamental reasons leading to such wide spread absurdity.
Hopefully, I am reacting to my frustration in a rational way, and channeling my frustration into a potentially positive outcome.
"Don't preserve what you have - cry once lost" - my best translation from Russian. There is a good reason it is a well known proverb over there.
ZRXMAX
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Their is one other point I would like to expand on a little bit. The leaders that wrote the documents that became the guiding philosophy for our nation did it because we are born to be free.
We inheritly know that collectively speaking. Most of us as kids before the video age simply want to go outside and play weather permitting. I know, its a very simple example... even so...
I believe it compares to riding our Busa's... we want to get out and be free! Those leaders ( Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hancock, and others ) were well aware of degrading treatment tyrants like
King George of England were capable of.
From that point ( 7-4-1776 ) the plan was not only to preserve what had been created, but to improve the conditions upon which our "social contract" or path, between the government and the people
would take. Many people consider America the greatest nation to ever evolve on this planet.
It started with documents that were designed to preserve the rights of man and keep government in check.
One thing for sure, it really got off to a good start with 2 oceans acting as a buffer against foreign invasion.
Their is nothing like fighting on your home turf and having all your big guns in position if the enemy come knocking. (the concrete gun bunkers still sit north of the Golden Gate overlooking the Pacific )
How do we know that the home turf advantage was true?
Nobody, no country, ever tried a foreign invasion ( boots on the ground ) in over a 100 years during the modern age of warfare as it has evolved to deadly levels never seen in centuries past.
Yes, we had 9-11, we had barracks attacked on foreign soil and the USS Cole and other attacks. That is nothing compared to Germany and Japan during WW2 and the beating they took that
decided those wars. Think Dresden Germany in 44 & 45... look at those pictures sometime and see how those people lived and died.
So, has Obama finally done it? Only time will tell if what has happened can be undone in the future. We are not doing well as a country as compared to what we could be doing.
We always have enough money for war and rebuilding other countries, and yet, we have a crumbling infrastructure in dire need of repairs right here right now. Just in LA... 400 miles of waterline over 58
years old that need replacing... 5400 leaks last year alone and some were mains that cost big bucks to fix and their no plans to replace the water system needing replacement.
Govenor Brown wants a bullet train from LA to SF?
We have wounded and debilitated solderiers here commiting suicide at the rate of + or -22 a day.
We have lots of things that need to be fixed and yet we have political wrangling that reminds me that old cliche... "Rome is burning".
Plenty of good and great technical advances are showing up frequently. The question I have is... will we save ourselves while we still can with technology?
Our path as a world is unsustainable in my opinion. Its not because we can't endure, its because were not changing our habits rapidly enough to sustain resources until we become more efficient with
how we manage our natural resources. The earth is finite, if depleted to fast it cannot recover without a major population drop... like in the billions... and water is the key.
ok... ramble off...
We inheritly know that collectively speaking. Most of us as kids before the video age simply want to go outside and play weather permitting. I know, its a very simple example... even so...
I believe it compares to riding our Busa's... we want to get out and be free! Those leaders ( Jefferson, Washington, Franklin, Hancock, and others ) were well aware of degrading treatment tyrants like
King George of England were capable of.
From that point ( 7-4-1776 ) the plan was not only to preserve what had been created, but to improve the conditions upon which our "social contract" or path, between the government and the people
would take. Many people consider America the greatest nation to ever evolve on this planet.
It started with documents that were designed to preserve the rights of man and keep government in check.
One thing for sure, it really got off to a good start with 2 oceans acting as a buffer against foreign invasion.
Their is nothing like fighting on your home turf and having all your big guns in position if the enemy come knocking. (the concrete gun bunkers still sit north of the Golden Gate overlooking the Pacific )
How do we know that the home turf advantage was true?
Nobody, no country, ever tried a foreign invasion ( boots on the ground ) in over a 100 years during the modern age of warfare as it has evolved to deadly levels never seen in centuries past.
Yes, we had 9-11, we had barracks attacked on foreign soil and the USS Cole and other attacks. That is nothing compared to Germany and Japan during WW2 and the beating they took that
decided those wars. Think Dresden Germany in 44 & 45... look at those pictures sometime and see how those people lived and died.
So, has Obama finally done it? Only time will tell if what has happened can be undone in the future. We are not doing well as a country as compared to what we could be doing.
We always have enough money for war and rebuilding other countries, and yet, we have a crumbling infrastructure in dire need of repairs right here right now. Just in LA... 400 miles of waterline over 58
years old that need replacing... 5400 leaks last year alone and some were mains that cost big bucks to fix and their no plans to replace the water system needing replacement.
Govenor Brown wants a bullet train from LA to SF?
We have wounded and debilitated solderiers here commiting suicide at the rate of + or -22 a day.
We have lots of things that need to be fixed and yet we have political wrangling that reminds me that old cliche... "Rome is burning".
Plenty of good and great technical advances are showing up frequently. The question I have is... will we save ourselves while we still can with technology?
Our path as a world is unsustainable in my opinion. Its not because we can't endure, its because were not changing our habits rapidly enough to sustain resources until we become more efficient with
how we manage our natural resources. The earth is finite, if depleted to fast it cannot recover without a major population drop... like in the billions... and water is the key.
ok... ramble off...
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